TrainsOfDisney
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Why would I freak for them not requiring masks if masks are no longer needed?
The virus numbers aren’t going down and they are relaxing policies on distancing. That does seem like a strange choice to make.
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News Walt Disney World theme parks increase capacity but see longer waits and less physical distancing
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The virus numbers aren’t going down and they are relaxing policies on distancing. That does seem like a strange choice to make.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
Why would they require masks years from now? Despite the fact that you feel no Covid restrictions are necessary ever, there are other people who actually think the restrictions are needed now due to the actual situation but will not be needed if that situation improves. It’s not a hard concept. Not sure why everything has to be extremes, either no restrictions or full lockdown forever. There‘s a huge grey area in the middle where reality lives.
Miss Bella
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Maybe the next virus. On a scale of 1-10 as far how bad it could be I'd give it 4. If we react this way to virus with 99.8% recovery rate what are we going to do next time if the virus has a only a 99% recovery rate. What if the virus mutates and the vaccine is not effective. I feel like some kind of precedent has been set. I think I'm not alone in this.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
It has been over 100 years between this type of pandemic. Is it possible that one could happen again sooner than another 100 years? Sure. But I’m not expecting one every year now. If you look back to 1918 masks were worn most places, businesses were closed, schools were closed, pro sports were cancelled, the worldwide economy tanked and eventually we made it through and then had the roaring 20s and no ”next pandemic” for 100 years. Its a bit overly pessimistic to just assume the next pandemic is coming in a few years.
Miss Bella
Well-Known Member
Well this isn't 1918. We shall see.
Horizons '83
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Just to play devil's advocate, flying multiple hours in a confined chamber sitting 6 inches away from a stranger is happening and has been happening for 10 months now. Yes the air is circulated, but that really only does so much. How is Disney's decision any different than what the airlines have been doing?
For the record, I won't be doing either any time soon. Just wanted to see your thoughts.
For the record, I won't be doing either any time soon. Just wanted to see your thoughts.
DisneyCane
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The air in an airplane is not "circulated." It is changed out with new air from outside every 2-3 minutes. Some is recirculated through HEPA filters but the entire volume of air is changed out in that time frame. This keeps the virus from building up in the air like it would if you set up an airplane cabin in your living room. Long ago there was a Japanese lab that used laser imaging of droplets and showed how much the droplet load in the air decreased when they simulated opening the windows in a room. The change out of air is essentially the same thing.
As for Disney the risk shouldn't be increased. The main reason being that the rides are much shorter than the 15 minute guideline for risk from close contact. Also, the rides are moving almost continuously which doesn't allow a viral "cloud" to build up right next to an infected person.
If they reduced the distancing in indoor queues, that would add risk because you can be in close contact with the same person for over 15 minutes.
For the record, I have taken 4 trips and spent 8 days at WDW since reopening and taken 4 round trip flights since May (two legs were almost full planes, the rest between 20% and 60%).
Miss Bella
Well-Known Member
60% of nursing home staff in Ohio are refusing to get vaccinated, according to the state governor
"We aren't going to make them, but we wish they had a higher compliance," said DeWine, as he expressed frustration at the progress of the vaccinations
www.businessinsider.com
Some healthcare workers refuse to take COVID-19 vaccine, even with priority access
Doubts about the vaccine among healthcare workers could have serious implications for public health, say experts.
www.latimes.com
Nursing Doubts About the Vaccine | Think Global Health
Approximately two-thirds of U.S. nurses are hesitant or unwilling to accept the new coronavirus vaccines
www.thinkglobalhealth.org
DisneyCane
Well-Known Member
60% of nursing home staff in Ohio are refusing to get vaccinated, according to the state governor
"We aren't going to make them, but we wish they had a higher compliance," said DeWine, as he expressed frustration at the progress of the vaccinations
Some healthcare workers refuse to take COVID-19 vaccine, even with priority access
Doubts about the vaccine among healthcare workers could have serious implications for public health, say experts.
Nursing Doubts About the Vaccine | Think Global Health
Approximately two-thirds of U.S. nurses are hesitant or unwilling to accept the new coronavirus vaccines
I would think that once a few million people have had both doses and only a tiny percentage have a more serious reaction than a day or two of feeling blah with a headache and/or fever then more will feel comfortable getting it.
I'll take one of the 94%+ effective vaccines just because I don't want to lose my sense of taste and smell. I'm at very low risk for anything serious if I get COVID due to my age and overall health and body type so that's the only reason I want to get it. I'd wait on line for 12 hours if getting it would give me a pass to wear that absolves me from having to wear a mask anywhere!
My wife got the first shot of the Moderna vaccine yesterday and said that the only side effect was a sore arm similar to when she gets a tetanus shot. She was a little reluctant just because there is no data on whether or not she can still spread it (after the second shot) and would have preferred her dose go to somebody who is high risk until that question is answered.
The key is when you feel it is ok will be different when others think it will be okay. You are already adamantly against parks even being open and they have been open for months, not a far stretch to see they will remove masks much much sooner than you think they should.
Totally see this happening and very evident by some poeple behavior this go around and they don't even realize it.
Again do not try to put words in my mouth, you know I have never said there should be no restrictions ever, never have said anything close to that. Take your own advice "not sure why everything has to be extremes".
The average doctor and nurse aren’t expert epidemiologists, virologists or infectious disease experts. We are working grunts who got introductory courses in those subjects so that we could start practicing but over time those memories fade and we continue to work using our experience in our narrow field. That and we rely on our professional societies to help guide our practice.
As this is a novel virus, I have relied completely on guidance from the IDSA, ACOG (for pregnant pts,) ACP, NIH, CDC and FDA on this, and they all agree on the course. If you want to follow the science that is who you need to follow.
Unfortunately not all health providers follow this, and are therefore not living up to professional standards. It’s sad, of the people I working with this week (5 other doctors, 3 NPs) we’ve all gotten our vaccine.
As this is a novel virus, I have relied completely on guidance from the IDSA, ACOG (for pregnant pts,) ACP, NIH, CDC and FDA on this, and they all agree on the course. If you want to follow the science that is who you need to follow.
Unfortunately not all health providers follow this, and are therefore not living up to professional standards. It’s sad, of the people I working with this week (5 other doctors, 3 NPs) we’ve all gotten our vaccine.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
Which restrictions at WDW are you in favor of? Masks required? Capacity limits? No large crowd events like fireworks or parades? Distancing on rides? Capacity limits at restaurants?
Do you think the whole world just spontaneously decided to overreact to this pandemic? This isn’t an American thing or a political trick, it’s a worldwide pandemic. It hasn’t happened in our lifetimes but there’s precedent historically. The Spanish Flu in 1918 had very similar reactions and the world didn’t change forever. The threat passed and we moved on with life.
All the restrictions at Disney are fine and have been working fine, loosening them when appropriate is smart. Never have said they weren't.
TrainsOfDisney
Well-Known Member
Ahh yes. We sheep don’t have the intelligence to see everything do we?
GoofGoof
Premium Member
Ok. I stand corrected. I thought you were opposed to most of those things based on past posts. I actually agree with you that loosening when appropriate is smart. I really don’t have an issue with the move they made on distancing on rides recently. I question the timing a little, but I do think it’s appropriate to be one of the first things relaxed.
Miss Bella
Well-Known Member
I do think if the vaccine turns out to be safe and effective people will get it including myself. It’s very hard to be first with a very rushed undertested vaccine and this is coming from someone who supported the person that supported this operation.
I can also tell you that most healthcare workers don’t fear the virus the way the general public does. If there was never a vaccine we’d still be exposing ourselves to it every day at work with very little regard for own safety.
Another factor is many of us have had Covid or feel like we have some sort of immunity from the constant exposure. There’s just not a sense of urgency among healthcare workers. That being said many will still get iit now because it is available and some will wait until the feel more comfortable.
Unfortunately getting the vaccine doesn’t give us a mask pass like the flu vaccine does. It’s still a question mark on how effective it will be. Of course masks are a question mark too.
I also question this new strain. If the virus is mutating is the vaccine going to work or are we going to Covid 23 like the new Micheal Bay movie.
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Miss Bella
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Because you fear the virus doesn't mean all healthcare workers do and because I don't doesn't mean all healthcare worker don't. It's not all or nothing. If I feared the virus as much as you do I would probably look for a less risky job in the healthcare field. There are plenty of jobs in the field that don't put you on the front lines.