News Walt Disney World restaurants to begin expanding plant-based menu options

networkpro

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You're giving the standard mental gymnastics response that all vegans encounter. You wouldn't believe how many people I've met on the internet that raise their own animals for food. It's disproportionate to reality.

Your livestock still needs to be fed. Usually, it's fed soy. Growing soy as feed for livestock is responsible for about 80% more deforestation than if we just ate the crop directly. On top of that, you don't need to force an animal into existence for slaughter.

This thread seems to have leaned in the way of "health", but if you want to talk about the "morally superior" side of veganism, I'm here for it.


Sorry to destroy your narrative, but you can stop by our ranch off of FM730 in Texas to see the grass that our cattle feed on (a mix of Coastal Bermuda and that nasty Johnson grass that sneaks in). Funny that you bring up soy as that is one of the highest concentrations of proteins that Vegans rely on so collectively they are in direct competition with the feedlots and cattle.
 

tribbleorlfl

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Please, I would love to learn from you. Explain to me how I am wrong.

1) Your first claim, that IF products aren't "true plant-based," is easily disproven by looking at the ingredients list. It is 100% plant-based.


2) Your contention that there are "as many chemicals in it as a bottle of Roundup" is facetious in its very premise. Everything we eat is either a chemical or chemical compound, so your statement means nothing.

Take a look at these two ingredients lists. Are they inedible to you because of how many chemicals are listed? The first item even has formaldehyde and acetone in it! The second has even more ingredients and chemicals than an IB!

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The first is a chicken egg, the second a strawberry. Did you know you ingest arsenic and aluminum when you eat an apple or pear?

So, going back to the IB ingredients list, it all sounds pretty reasonable for a veggie patty: plant proteins, fats, flavorings, vitamins for added nutritional content and binders to hold it all together. The most novel ingredient is the soy heme, which I suspect is the true object of your ire.

3) You're engaging in subtle social engineering here, by linking IF to the agritech Boogeyman dujor, Roundup. I'm surprised you didn't say Roundup was IN IBs!

The simple truth is there is nothing harmful in an Impossible Burger, aside from the high levels of sodium and fat to make it edible.

@tribbleorlfl , I want to learn about the chemicals in the plant based foods. Do you have any links? BTW, I love your icon 😉
If you click on the link above to the IF website, you can see the IB ingredient list, none of which is out of place for a processed veggie patty. They also have a link to a sience page where they explain soy heme, which is pretty nifty! Carrying on the legacy of L'oranges, tri-apples, pinanas and flavor grapes as featured in the best ride ever! ;)
 

Horizons '83

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In the Parks
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1) Your first claim, that IF products aren't "true plant-based," is easily disproven by looking at the ingredients list. It is 100% plant-based.


2) Your contention that there are "as many chemicals in it as a bottle of Roundup" is facetious in its very premise. Everything we eat is either a chemical or chemical compound, so your statement means nothing.

Take a look at these two ingredients lists. Are they inedible to you because of how many chemicals are listed? The first item even has formaldehyde and acetone in it! The second has even more ingredients and chemicals than an IB!

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The first is a chicken egg, the second a strawberry. Did you know you ingest arsenic and aluminum when you eat an apple or pear?

So, going back to the IB ingredients list, it all sounds pretty reasonable for a veggie patty: plant proteins, fats, flavorings, vitamins for added nutritional content and binders to hold it all together. The most novel ingredient is the soy heme, which I suspect is the true object of your ire.

3) You're engaging in subtle social engineering here, by linking IF to the agritech Boogeyman dujor, Roundup. I'm surprised you didn't say Roundup was IN IBs!

The simple truth is there is nothing harmful in an Impossible Burger, aside from the high levels of sodium and fat to make it edible.


If you click on the link above to the IF website, you can see the IB ingredient list, none of which is out of place for a processed veggie patty. They also have a link to a sience page where they explain soy heme, which is pretty nifty! Carrying on the legacy of L'oranges, tri-apples, pinanas and flavor grapes as featured in the best ride ever! ;)
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Who’s there?

Oh it’s sarcasm... Of course I know there aren’t really that many ingredients as there are in roundup. A literalist would even get that.
 

Incomudro

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1) Your first claim, that IF products aren't "true plant-based," is easily disproven by looking at the ingredients list. It is 100% plant-based.


2) Your contention that there are "as many chemicals in it as a bottle of Roundup" is facetious in its very premise. Everything we eat is either a chemical or chemical compound, so your statement means nothing.

Take a look at these two ingredients lists. Are they inedible to you because of how many chemicals are listed? The first item even has formaldehyde and acetone in it! The second has even more ingredients and chemicals than an IB!

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The first is a chicken egg, the second a strawberry. Did you know you ingest arsenic and aluminum when you eat an apple or pear?

So, going back to the IB ingredients list, it all sounds pretty reasonable for a veggie patty: plant proteins, fats, flavorings, vitamins for added nutritional content and binders to hold it all together. The most novel ingredient is the soy heme, which I suspect is the true object of your ire.

3) You're engaging in subtle social engineering here, by linking IF to the agritech Boogeyman dujor, Roundup. I'm surprised you didn't say Roundup was IN IBs!

The simple truth is there is nothing harmful in an Impossible Burger, aside from the high levels of sodium and fat to make it edible.


If you click on the link above to the IF website, you can see the IB ingredient list, none of which is out of place for a processed veggie patty. They also have a link to a sience page where they explain soy heme, which is pretty nifty! Carrying on the legacy of L'oranges, tri-apples, pinanas and flavor grapes as featured in the best ride ever! ;)

You are correct, that people get hung up on the food bogeymen of the day.
Usually at the expense of what they should actually be concerned about.
Unfortunately for the IB it's high in the two things that people ought to be concerned about: Saturated fat and sodium.
So, we have a plant based option that is not more healthy than many meat options.
 

higgipoker

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I’ve tried several of their vegan options and they’re actually pretty good. The “hot dog” from Casey’s Corner is delicious.
I can't wait to try the Hot Dog! Always been one of my fav joints but they didn't have anything vegan until recently.

The fried Cauliflower things at the Golden Oak Outpost are to die for! Can't remember how many times I went back for those (without the Ranch sauce of course). There was a bit of a question on here if the batter was vegan but we did ask and the CM said it was...

All of their vegan burgers are great (usually prepared differently at each location which is nice) and the Vegan "grilled cheese sandwich" and Totcho's at Woody's are awesome.

Table service can be hit and miss. Off the top of my head, Sanaa, Trail's End (yay TJ!), Coral Reef and Skipper Canteen are all fantastic. Sci-Fi was average and 50's Prime Time was awful.

Don't forget McKenna's and Blaze Pizza at Springs....wonderful! :)
 

LittleBuford

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I can't wait to try the Hot Dog! Always been one of my fav joints but they didn't have anything vegan until recently.

The fried Cauliflower things at the Golden Oak Outpost are to die for! Can't remember how many times I went back for those (without the Ranch sauce of course). There was a bit of a question on here if the batter was vegan but we did ask and the CM said it was...

All of their vegan burgers are great (usually prepared differently at each location which is nice) and the Vegan "grilled cheese sandwich" and Totcho's at Woody's are awesome.

Table service can be hit and miss. Off the top of my head, Sanaa, Trail's End (yay TJ!), Coral Reef and Skipper Canteen are all fantastic. Sci-Fi was average and 50's Prime Time was awful.

Don't forget McKenna's and Blaze Pizza at Springs....wonderful! :)

Thanks for the great recommendations!
 

LittleBuford

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I've also never quite got the appeal of imitation meat products. I can understand, though, if you can't eat meat for health reasons rather than by choice it might be nice to have something that approximates food you miss.

There are also those of us who like meat, can eat it, but choose not to because of animal-welfare concerns. For us, imitation meat is a godsend!
 

LittleBuford

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Seriously. Plant-based “food.” Okay. But “meat” is “meat”. (ie. noun. “the flesh of animals as used for food.”)

Everyone knows exactly what is meant by the term. Can you think of an alternative that describes the product as clearly? It’s no more illogical than “soy milk”, and considerably more logical than “hot dog”, which I assume is a term you have no objections to.
 
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LittleBuford

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What I don't understand are vegans who won't eat meat - but will consume some highly processed meat alternative that's supposed to taste like meat.
What's the point?

See my earlier post about enjoying real meat but not wanting to eat it for animal-welfare reasons.

It reminds me of former drinkers that make themselves non alcoholic cocktail that mimic the real thing.

Why should teetotallers not be able to enjoy a good mocktail? I don’t see how or why it would bother you or anyone else who isn’t affected.
 
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Clyde Birdbrain

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On Saturday we used the Skyliner from HS to Epcot (shortly before the incident) and had dinner at Caribbean Beach Resort because of all the new plant-based options. We were impressed with the selection. We loved it and will be going there again to try the other things. It was a pleasant break from the parks to eat at Centertown Market.
 

Incomudro

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There are also those of us who like meat, can eat it, but choose not to because of animal-welfare concerns. For us, imitation meat is a godsend!

This is what I don't get.
You're concerned about animal welfare but still find them delicious?
I'm hearing this in the voice of Mitch Hedberg: "I don't want to eat animals because I am concerned about their welfare, but boy are they tasty!"
 

Incomudro

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See my earlier post about enjoying real meat but not wanting to eat it for animal-welfare reasons.



Why should teetotallers not be able to enjoy a good mocktail? I don’t see how or why it would bother you or anyone else who isn’t affected.

It doesn't bother me.
It puzzles me.
 

higgipoker

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You're concerned about animal welfare but still find them delicious?
There is no contradiction here and nothing particularly difficult to understand either. People get used to the taste and texture of animal flesh from a very young age. Tastes developed over the course of 20 years or more don't suddenly disappear
 
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LittleBuford

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This is what I don't get.
You're concerned about animal welfare but still find them delicious?
I'm hearing this in the voice of Mitch Hedberg: "I don't want to eat animals because I am concerned about their welfare, but boy are they tasty!"

What don’t you get? I enjoy meat and don’t see anything inherently wrong with killing animals for food, but I find modern factory-farming methods inhumane. Plant-based meat is the perfect answer for me.

I honestly don’t understand why it’s such an issue for you. Are you equally puzzled by people who use artificial sweetener?
 

Incomudro

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What don’t you get? I enjoy meat and don’t see anything inherently wrong with killing animals for food, but I find modern factory-farming methods inhumane. Plant-based meat is the perfect answer for me.

I honestly don’t understand why it’s such an issue for you. Are you equally puzzled by people who use artificial sweetener?

It's not an issue with me, it's a question.
There is no parallel to artificial sweetener, as people who wish not to consume sugar don't do so for ethical reasons.
Not eating animals for ethical reasons but wanting to mimic their flavor strikes me as odd.
 

higgipoker

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Not eating animals for ethical reasons but wanting to mimic their flavor strikes me as odd.
Not odd at all. People develop a physical taste for the flavor and texture of animal flesh. Why on earth would you think that taste magically disappears the instant they make a moral decision not to support the torturing of animals?

You can't make an "ethical" decision to stop enjoying the taste and texture of "meat." You have no choice in the matter, so it is your position which seems odd to me.
 

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