News Walt Disney Company plans to spend $17 billion at Walt Disney World over the next ten years

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
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If that is the case, then I retract the statement about it being inherently flawed. I thought I'd read that extraction and replacement were supremely difficult. I do still maintain that the animatronic is overly complex for how it's implemented if it is indeed especially costly to maintain.


From another thread...

I've been meaning to post this for quite a while, but just haven't had time. Thanks to a recent reminder from @Master Yoda to try and shed some light on the Yeti debacle....

Ok, so back in September I was at a conference at WDW, and the wife decided to book a Dine With An Imagineer lunch at DHS. I skipped one of my educational sessions to do this, and we ended up with a 2-for-1. The main imagineer was a Show Design and Production manager, who was a DWAI veteran (and most recently involved in the Frozen Ever After project); the other guy was a mechanical engineer in charge of show quality, who was a newbie-in-training, at least when it came to these dinners. He explained to us that it was his job to do periodic "reviews" of the rides, and point out areas where show quality is falling below certain standards. He's also heavily involved in maintaining ride systems and animatronics. It was a fantastic experience, and we learned a lot about how things work behind the scenes, but nearing the end of our time, I (obviously) couldn't resist bringing up the Yeti.

Immediately upon my mentioning the Yeti, I could see that it was an obvious a sore spot for him. He stated that there have been multiple proposals put forth for repairing it, but none of the "big shots" have been on board. As for the specific problem, he mentioned that there are a couple of factors: flaws in the original "design calculations" (these were his words), particularly with regard to operational and maintenance conditions on such a large animatronic, and inability to perform proper maintenance on the Yeti. No mention of "shifting/failed foundations" as is often suggested. As a practicing structural engineer, I wanted to know whether this was the problem, and he indicated that the main issue is the animatronic itself.

The other factor is the ability to perform maintenance on the animatronic. I think this is the source of rumors that they "can't replace /fix it without opening up the mountain" rumors, but it's actually much simpler, and this issue ties into the first. He specifically talked about unanticipated stresses in parts of the animatronic due to lack of maintenance in other parts. If one of the motors in the yeti's elbow wears out or isn't functioning properly, but they continue to operate under those conditions, then higher stresses are transferred to the shoulder and chest, etc. My best guess regarding his comments about "incorrect calculations" is that he was referring to fatigue related problems in the robotic parts, and possibly in other structural supports.

The other major factor is that things have changed dramatically at WDW in the last few years regarding their compliance with OSHA standards for maintenance and fall protection. Any new work done to get the Yeti operational means that they have to update the design to meet these standards, so that ongoing maintenance on the animatronic can be safely performed. This would involve major upgrades to allow compliance with fall protection and other things related to maintenance workers.

It was encouraging at least to see how much it bothered him that it didn't work. He brought up the Universal dig re: their Kong animatronic (it moves...) and said that he and his colleagues all read blogs and other social media comments for research and to pick up on things they miss in their reviews. So, there you have it. Take it for what it's worth, but this guy was no bus driver...;)
 

Trauma

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It doesn’t matter how posters try to spin this but $17 billion is a huge number. Whether it translates into anything tangible remains to be seen but clearly they have some things in mind for WDW.

Also they talked about job creation as well so it’s not just going to be small projects but major ones that needs lots of employees like new lands/expansions. With all this shaking up happening across Disney TDO and WDI are definitely due for some changes.
Exactly. Job creation.

That’s why they are firing 7000 people.
 

Marc Davis Fan

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5 billion then is not 5 billion now.

At current trajectory, 17 billion in 10 years will be the same as 5 billion now.

On the other hand, an entirely new park (Shanghai Disneyland, not to mention the hotels, Disneytown, Wishing Star Lake, etc.) requires much more infrastructure, etc., than expansions of existing parks.

An expansion of The Magic Kingdom at the level of DisneySea's Fantasy Springs would bring it back to being the top Orlando-area theme park (in addition to adding capacity that addresses crowding). This is important for public perceptions / guest recollections of WDW, because The Magic Kingdom is the park they'll always most associate with WDW as a whole. If Disney wants to stay ahead (or get back ahead in the public's eyes), they must invest heavily in MK expansion above nearly all else, IMHO.

So, even if we're just looking at the equivalent of half of what $17 billion is today, that could give MK the expansion it deserves, with more than enough left over for major new lands at the other three parks.
 

LSLS

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I’m not arguing with you. Joe rohde has been involved with many projects that have gone haywire. Original dak being one…Aulani being another.

The Cameron collab that he left with - more or less - was delivered well. So he went out on a high note. He was also asked to leave. Sorry…”retire”

Was it because he was “too good” and made them “too much money”?

I get it. Big fan. You win. I concede.

Didn't his retirement line up with them announcing they were essentially done adding to the parks for a long time? I'm vaguely remembering something like that, but I could be way off.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I have more appreciation for a guy like a Baxter…because they built on an aggressive timeline without a limitless piggy bank.
Didn't his retirement line up with them announcing they were essentially done adding to the parks for a long time? I'm vaguely remembering something like that, but I could be way off.
Yeah…never confirmed…but it did line ip with the development wasteland that we are now in.
That would have killed Rohde. So either they cost cut him, he left in protest…or perhaps most likely - both.
 

LSLS

Well-Known Member
I have more appreciation for a guy like a Baxter…because they built on an aggressive timeline without a limitless piggy bank.

Yeah…never confirmed…but it did line ip with the development wasteland that we are now in.
That would have killed Rohde. So either they cost cut him, he left in protest…or perhaps most likely - both.

Yeah, I was thinking they basically decided they weren't doing anything for the next 10-15 years, so why pay him when he's already at retirement age?
 

Progress.City

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$17 billion is A LOT of money. It can buy a fifth park, expansions and plusing at all existing parks, new hotels, new transportation options, a train station, and more. I’m excited to see what they will announce after they budget it.
 

doctornick

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They better be careful building more DVC resorts when they don’t offer annual passes anymore. There are already a record number of resales
With the announcement of new AP sales maybe this will no longer an issue but… I really wonder how big of a deal this is. IOW do most DVC members get or use APs? I really have no idea but we’ve never been “go every year” (or multiple times a year) people so we’ve never had APs even being DVCers
 

GhostHost1000

Premium Member
With the announcement of new AP sales maybe this will no longer an issue but… I really wonder how big of a deal this is. IOW do most DVC members get or use APs? I really have no idea but we’ve never been “go every year” (or multiple times a year) people so we’ve never had APs even being DVCers
many dvc members go multiple times within a year... some do short trips, some long trips, and not all go to the parks every day, or at all some days, but having that flexibility to go whenever withing having to buy a day ticket is pretty key
 

doctornick

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many dvc members go multiple times within a year... some do short trips, some long trips, and not all go to the parks every day, or at all some days, but having that flexibility to go whenever withing having to buy a day ticket is pretty key
Absolutely. I guess I’m just curious from like an academic standpoint. Like is it 80 or 90% of DVC members that get APs regularly or more like 50% or a minority like 20-30%. I’m sure it’s a substantial number but I’ve just been curious if it’s a widespread perk that is frequently used or just something that is big for a certain segment of owners.

I’m sure though for the DVC people who go frequently it is a huge deal and not having it available has lead to a lot of complaints
 

GhostHost1000

Premium Member
Absolutely. I guess I’m just curious from like an academic standpoint. Like is it 80 or 90% of DVC members that get APs regularly or more like 50% or a minority like 20-30%. I’m sure it’s a substantial number but I’ve just been curious if it’s a widespread perk that is frequently used or just something that is big for a certain segment of owners.

I’m sure though for the DVC people who go frequently it is a huge deal and not having it available has lead to a lot of complaints
and those with direct purchase or grandfathered in get the discounted pass as well so I’d say more of them purchase one
 

doctornick

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and those with direct purchase or grandfathered in get the discounted pass as well so I’d say more of them purchase one
Do you mean the slightly cheaper pass (what used to be Gold)? Or do you mean being able to get a pass that is discounted? Because I think the DVC discount of the latter went away with the pandemic or even before it.
 

GhostHost1000

Premium Member
Do you mean the slightly cheaper pass (what used to be Gold)? Or do you mean being able to get a pass that is discounted? Because I think the DVC discount of the latter went away with the pandemic or even before it.
Yes the Sorcerer pass (Florida resident or dvc blue card member only)
 

Progress.City

Well-Known Member
Here’s the deal. I saw the details of Chepek’s plan to overhaul EPCOT. It’s actually a good thing that much of it never panned out. The “attractions” were mostly facades, which looked good but were really cheap as far as its attractions go.

I’m confident Igor will green light worthy new additions that are imaginative and budgeted right. So, expect the kind of things Iger delivered during his previous reign as CEO, such as Galaxy’s Edge, Pandora, and Gardians.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Note that it was never promised that the $17B will be spent exclusively on new rides. There are rethemes. There are new DVC towers. There are new infrastructure projects like road-widening and the fabled new skyline/bus-only lanes/automated buses. There's additions to Disney Springs. Etc...
 

GhostHost1000

Premium Member
Note that it was never promised that the $17B will be spent exclusively on new rides. There are rethemes. There are new DVC towers. There are new infrastructure projects like road-widening and the fabled new skyline/bus-only lanes/automated buses. There's additions to Disney Springs. Etc...
Spaceship Earth and Figment are likely watching close (and those wouldn’t be additional attractions)
 

BlakeW39

Well-Known Member
Note that it was never promised that the $17B will be spent exclusively on new rides. There are rethemes. There are new DVC towers. There are new infrastructure projects like road-widening and the fabled new skyline/bus-only lanes/automated buses. There's additions to Disney Springs. Etc...

Rethemes are my biggest concern, but I mean at this point, what would they even retheme? All the attractions on property now kinda feel irreplacable. Maybe Kali River Rapids? I know that one is pretty lame.
 

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