News Walt Disney Company plans to spend $17 billion at Walt Disney World over the next ten years

Sirwalterraleigh

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The yeti is just a weird symbolic rallying cry for the disgruntled. Realistically, it’s way down the list of things that need immediate attention.
There’s probably no reasonable scenario where it will ever be “fixed”

Maybe in a mechanically necessary mass rehab - like a track replacement - they break it up and haul it out of there and do some kind of project type replacement?

I could see that…maybe
 

RSoxNo1

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I hate to throw a wrench in all that research…but the aggregate travel has risen almost across the board on a fairly stable/predictable trajectory.

The point isn’t to give or deny Rohde a bonus…

It’s to just express my opinion that his largesse contributed to where they can’t build anything in under 5 years or $500,000,000

That’s is well and fine if the attendance was where it was 20 years ago. But obvious it’s not and the only way to combat it is to get something done more quickly and cost efficiently. And they can’t do it…so it’s nonsense fees and algorithms trying to make sure the masses don’t realize why they are paying and why it isn’t working these days.
Tourism has increased but his projects saw obvious growth at Disney's Animal Kingdom. I challenge you to come up with any Imagineering lead that has spent money more efficiently with the same level of consistency as Rohde?

The only one that has a resume remotely close right now is Scott Trowbridge.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Originally my comment was going to be a somewhat rude retort, but instead I'm just going to say I would appreciate it if you kept your distance from me. I have no interest in talking to someone who basically is just rude to everyone in the the thread he disagrees with.
Stay on top of the bridge with those that are actually discussing potential here…my advice. 👹
 

BlakeW39

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The yeti is just a weird symbolic rallying cry for the disgruntled. Realistically, it’s way down the list of things that need immediate attention.

Yeah, totally disagree. The yeti is a complete blight on imagineering and TWDC as a whole, the major finale of one of their headline attractions has been broken for what, close to 17 years now? That is absolutely INSANE to me. It just shows how little integrity they have, like oh well, we can't monetize it so who cares, just let it rot. Just... wow.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Tourism has increased but his projects saw obvious growth at Disney's Animal Kingdom. A challenge you to come up with any Imagineering lead that has spent money more efficiently with the same level of consistency as Rohde?

The only one that has a resume remotely close right now is Scott Trowbridge.
Ok. WDI doesn’t directly “drive attendance”. But I don’t want to get into a WDI fanclub discussion. I think we can have our areas of concern/focus and they differ. That’s fine.

WDI has been pretty inefficient and bloated for the last 20 years. You know that. Sometimes that has delivered big things…sometimes we head scratch. It is what it is. I’ll leave it to your pod
 
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James Alucobond

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Yeah, totally disagree. The yeti is a complete blight on imagineering and TWDC as a whole, the major finale of one of their headline attractions has been broken for what, close to 17 years now? That is absolutely INSANE to me. It just shows how little integrity they have, like oh well, we can't monetize it so who cares, just let it rot. Just... wow.
This just doesn't speak to the reality of the situation, though. There are far more blatantly broken things that even the uninitiated can detect. Those warrant attention before this does. Essentially swapping out an overly complex animatronic for a lighted stationary figure is not the same as "letting the attraction rot", especially when they've clearly done some level of cost-benefit analysis. The reality is that they've decided you see it for such a brief moment that B-mode is acceptable as the only mode. There is probably a more elegant middle ground, but it's honestly sensible to save that for an extensive refurbishment given how difficult it apparently is to modify in its current state. If there is a blight on Imagineering, it's not that they haven't fixed it; it's that they built something so ridiculously complex and implausible to repair in the first place for a blink-and-you-miss-it figure. I actually wish they would reassess and simplify unreliable elements more often.
 

JusticeDisney

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Originally my comment was going to be a somewhat rude retort, but instead I'm just going to say I would appreciate it if you kept your distance from me. I have no interest in talking to someone who basically is just rude to everyone in the the thread he disagrees with.
I haven’t been rude to you one time. But with that said, if you don’t want to talk to me, I’m pretty sure nobody is forcing you to keep responding to me. Anyway, whatever you decide, have a great night, my friend!
 

Tha Realest

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Tourism has increased but his projects saw obvious growth at Disney's Animal Kingdom. I challenge you to come up with any Imagineering lead that has spent money more efficiently with the same level of consistency as Rohde?

The only one that has a resume remotely close right now is Scott Trowbridge.
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RSoxNo1

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Ok. WDI doesn’t directly “drive attendance”. But I don’t want to get into a WDI fanclub discussion. I think we can have our areas of concern/focus and they differ. That’s fine.

WDI has been pretty inefficient and bloated I’ve the last 20 years. You know that. Sometimes that has delivered big things…sometimes we head scratch. It is what it is. I’ll leave it to your pod
WDI itself has been remarkably inefficient and bloated. But singling out Joe Rohde is incorrect. You're changing your argument in the face of a valid counter argument.
 

BlakeW39

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This just doesn't speak to the reality of the situation, though. There are far more blatantly broken things that even the uninitiated can detect. Those warrant attention before this does. Essentially swapping out an overly complex animatronic for a lighted stationary figure is not the same as "letting the attraction rot", especially when they've clearly done some level of cost-benefit analysis. The reality is that they've decided you see it for such a brief moment that B-mode is acceptable as the only mode. There is probably a more elegant middle ground, but it's honestly sensible to save that for an extensive refurbishment given how difficult it apparently is to modify in its current state. If there is a blight on Imagineering, it's not that they haven't fixed it; it's that they built something so ridiculously complex and implausible to repair in the first place for a blink-and-you-miss-it figure. I actually wish they would reassess and simplify unreliable elements more often.

Nothing in this paragraph contradicts what I said, you're just coming from a different perspective. Which is fine, but you haven't proved my original statements factually incorrect as you have claimed. First of all, they didn't 'swap out an overly complex animatronic for a lighted stationary figure.' It's the same figure, which broke, and which thereafter they chose to stop operating altogether rather than fix. No swapping of AAs or action of any kind really was taken. So yeah, that's the same as letting it rot... because it broke and then they just decided to leave it there for 17 years because they couldn't effectively monetize its repair. Which means they lack personal responsibility for its broken state and see no inherent reason to fix it. Which pretty much alligns with my original comment.

Also, you have stated that other attractions are in worse states, but you haven't actually named any. EE has exactly... one major show scene? And it is broken..entirely? So what can be more broken than 100% broken? Yeah the track itself works, but is that not the case for every ride?
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
WDI itself has been remarkably inefficient and bloated. But singling out Joe Rohde is incorrect. You're changing your argument in the face of a valid counter argument.
I’m not arguing with you. Joe rohde has been involved with many projects that have gone haywire. Original dak being one…Aulani being another.

The Cameron collab that he left with - more or less - was delivered well. So he went out on a high note. He was also asked to leave. Sorry…”retire”

Was it because he was “too good” and made them “too much money”?

I get it. Big fan. You win. I concede.
 
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James Alucobond

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Nothing in this paragraph contradicts what I said, you're just coming from a different perspective. Which is fine, but you haven't proved my original statements factually incorrect as you have claimed. First of all, they didn't 'swap out an overly complex animatronic for a lighted stationary figure.' It's the same figure, which broke, and which thereafter they chose to stop operating altogether rather than fix. No swapping of AAs or action of any kind really was taken. So yeah, that's the same as letting it rot... because it broke and then they just decided to leave it there for 17 years because they couldn't effectively monetize its repair. Which means they lack personal responsibility for its broken state and see no inherent reason to fix it. Which pretty much alligns with my original comment.
I didn't claim your statement was factually incorrect, just that it represented the most negative perspective possible and, relative to the scope of the problem in the eyes of the average guest, isn't reflective of general public perception. "Blight" is a strong word for something that most people won't notice, whereas ...
Also, you have stated that other attractions are in worse states, but you haven't actually named any. EE has exactly... one major show scene? And it is broken..entirely? So what can be more broken than 100% broken? Yeah the track itself works, but is that not the case for every ride?
You slowly pass by dozens of figures in poor repair in attractions like Journey into Imagination, it's a small world, and, until recently, Splash Mountain. You have rides like Space Mountain and Spaceship Earth where the entire system feels as if it's about to shake apart. The carnotaurus frequently makes appearances as a head on a pole. Audio cuts in and out and is of awful quality on various rides. These are all obvious-to-anyone problems, unlike the yeti.
 

BlakeW39

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I didn't claim your statement was factually incorrect, just that it represented the most negative perspective possible and, relative to the scope of the problem in the eyes of the average guest, isn't reflective of general public perception. "Blight" is a strong word for something that most people won't notice, whereas ...

You slowly pass by dozens of figures in poor repair in attractions like Journey into Imagination, it's a small world, and, until recently, Splash Mountain. You have rides like Space Mountain and Spaceship Earth where the entire system feels as if it's about to shake apart. The carnotaurus frequently makes appearances as a head on a pole. Audio cuts in and out and is of awful quality on various rides. These are all obvious-to-anyone problems, unlike the yeti.

You said my statement "didn't speak to the reality of the situation." Saying something doesn't speak to reality is tantamount to calling it factually incorrect.

Also, as per your examples: if anything, they prove my point. The ride elements you mentioned are obviously broken to anyone because they are still a part of the attraction, despite not working. The yeti was essentially removed from the attraction altogether (by making the scene so dark), so guests now often don't know it's broken because they don't even know it exists in the first place. That in my opinion means it's functioning even less than the ride elements you mentioned. It was just hidden. Which in my opinion is even more pathetic.
 

James Alucobond

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You said my statement "didn't speak to the reality of the situation." Saying something doesn't speak to reality is tantamount to calling it factually incorrect.
I meant the reality of how it is broadly perceived rather than how it is perceived by the small group of people who ever saw it functioning, remember, and care in a disproportionately outsize way.
Also, as per your examples: if anything, they prove my point. The ride elements you mentioned are obviously broken to anyone because they are still a part of the attraction, despite not working. The yeti was essentially removed from the attraction altogether (by making the scene so dark), so guests now often don't know it's broken because they don't even know it exists in the first place. That in my opinion means it's functioning even less than the ride elements you mentioned. It was just hidden. Which in my opinion is even more pathetic.
I fail to see how something functioning in permanent B-mode is worse than something not functioning at all, constantly feeling as if it may derail at any moment, or regularly utilizing recognizably compromised figures. I suppose your opinion is your opinion, but it has always seemed to me to be such a weird hill to die on. We at least know that there are extenuating circumstances in this case, whereas there is absolutely no reason why, say, it's a small world cannot be kept in working order at all times.
 

BlakeW39

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I meant the reality of how it is broadly perceived rather than how it is perceived by the small group of people who ever saw it functioning, remember, and care in a disproportionately outsize way.

I fail to see how something functioning in permanent B-mode is worse than something not functioning at all, constantly feeling as if it may derail at any moment, or regularly utilizing recognizably compromised figures. I suppose your opinion is your opinion, but it has always seemed to me to be such a weird hill to die on. We at least know that there are extenuating circumstances in this case, whereas there is absolutely no reason why, say, it's a small world cannot be kept in working order at all times.

But again, the yeti is not functioning. B mode is off. You're talking like the yeti isn't broken or something, but it is. All the animatronics on small world, SSE, etc.... the yeti has no more reason for being broken than they do. Disney COULD fix either if they wanted to. They simply aren't investing the money necessary to do so. It's not more execusable in terms of the yeti and since EE only has one animatronic, that one animatronic being broken consistently for ~17 years seems worse than a couple (out of many) animatronics sometimes being broken on IASW for example.

As far as it being a weird hill to die on. I don't know what's so strange about it. Disney's coolest and most impressive animatronic, which is a major element (the centerpiece, even) of one their most popular attractions, has been broken for 17 years and you say that's not as bad as a couple broken dolls on IASW or a Carnotaurus on a stick, that's what seems bizarre to me.
 

James Alucobond

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As far as I am aware, fixing the yeti necessitates shutting down the entire ride, whereas maintaining most other animatronics does not. It's more costly, difficult, and inconvenient to fix because of an inherent design flaw, so yes, I would say the others are more problematic because they're both more noticeable and can be repaired as a matter of standard maintenance, often without impacting the overall ride experience or exacerbating capacity issues in already strained parks. But I suppose this discussion is really going nowhere, so I'll drop it. People who feel a certain way about the yeti are very passionate about it, which I get in a sense since I am probably similarly passionate about poor sightlines.
 

BlakeW39

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As far as I am aware, fixing the yeti necessitates shutting down the entire ride, whereas maintaining most other animatronics does not. It's more costly, difficult, and inconvenient to fix because of an inherent design flaw, so yes, I would say the others are more problematic because they're both more noticeable and can be repaired as a matter of standard maintenance, often without impacting the overall ride experience or exacerbating capacity issues in already strained parks. But I suppose this discussion is really going nowhere, so I'll drop it. People who feel a certain way about the yeti are very passionate about it, which I get in a sense since I am probably similarly passionate about poor sightlines.

Actually fixing the yeti doesn't require shutting down the attraction, just fyi. It's all about $$$$.
 

eddie104

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It doesn’t matter how posters try to spin this but $17 billion is a huge number. Whether it translates into anything tangible remains to be seen but clearly they have some things in mind for WDW.

Also they talked about job creation as well so it’s not just going to be small projects but major ones that needs lots of employees like new lands/expansions. With all this shaking up happening across Disney TDO and WDI are definitely due for some changes.
 

James Alucobond

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Actually fixing the yeti doesn't require shutting down the attraction, just fyi. It's all about $$$$.
If that is the case, then I retract the statement about it being inherently flawed. I thought I'd read that extraction and replacement were supremely difficult. I do still maintain that the animatronic is overly complex for how it's implemented if it is indeed especially costly to maintain.
 

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