Wall-E movie is amazing

MousDad

New Member
After the story left earth, it fell apart. I just wasn't interested in the humans. I felt the story would have been better staying on earth.

Don't understand. I'm okay with you not liking the last 2 acts, but how does the story fall apart? Personally, I would get bored watching Wall-E play "Lars and the Real Girl" with Eve for another hour.

The story seamlessly transfers from earth to space and back, and that transfer is absolutely essential to the storyline, and logical.
 

Timmay

Well-Known Member
I'm okay with you not liking the last 2 acts.
Whew...that makes me feel better. ;)

but how does the story fall apart?
Because the story of the humans was uninteresting. I felt no attachment to them and could not have cared less what happened to them. If I have no interest in the characters, I have no interest in the story.

Personally, I would get bored watching Wall-E play "Lars and the Real Girl" with Eve for another hour..
Well, me too...but that isn't exactly what I said, now is it. Why is that the only alternative if the story stayed on earth?

The story seamlessly transfers from earth to space and back, and that transfer is absolutely essential to the storyline, and logical.
For me, it was neither seamless or logical.
 

MousDad

New Member
Because the story of the humans was uninteresting. I felt no attachment to them and could not have cared less what happened to them. If I have no interest in the characters, I have no interest in the story.

The story is about the humans as much as Lawrence of Arabia is about the Arabians.
 

Wilt Dasney

Well-Known Member
I'm also one who thinks the humans just didn't work that well. I understand their importance in the plot, but the execution just wasn't there for me. I just found them flat and uninteresting for the most part.

The captain had some promise, as we got to see a little more of what made him tick, and seeing his fascination as he learned about dancing was a nice touch. The rest of them could have just permanently molded to their hoverseats and I don't think I'd have cared much. :lol:
 

Maerj

Well-Known Member
The humans were supposed to be flat and uninteresting because that's exactly what they became. Flat, uninteresting blobs who slurp down their meals from a cup and sit in their chairs watching tv, surfing the net and chatting with other uninteresting blobs on their cell phones.

The captain becomes more interesting because he actually makes an attempt at doing something. He tries to educate himself at his computer and then fights with the Auto Pilot in order to help everyone return to Earth. In time, maybe the other humans will become more interesting as well, until then and for the sake of this movie, its Wall*E and Eve who are the focal points of the story.
 

Timmay

Well-Known Member
It's funny how folks are more interested in how you should feel about a movie...instead of how you do feel about a movie.:confused:

The second half of the movie was shallow and boring...I lost all interest in what happened, as opposed to the first half, where I was on the edge of my seat and eager to see what happened next.
 

MousDad

New Member
It's funny how folks are more interested in how you should feel about a movie...instead of how you do feel about a movie.:confused:

The second half of the movie was shallow and boring...I lost all interest in what happened, as opposed to the first half, where I was on the edge of my seat and eager to see what happened next.

Just to clarify, I was debating your statement that the story "fell apart," which implies a flaw in the mechanics, construction, craft of the story (screenwriting). I consider "the story fell apart" and "I didn't like the story" to be 2 completely separate statements. Matter of semantics, I guess.
 

Timmay

Well-Known Member
Just to clarify, I was debating your statement that the story "fell apart," which implies a flaw in the mechanics, construction, craft of the story (screenwriting). I consider "the story fell apart" and "I didn't like the story" to be 2 completely separate statements. Matter of semantics, I guess.

The story did fall apart...there was a giant plot hole. If Auto's directive was to ensure the humans never returned to earth, why bother even sending the EVE's out on their hunt in the first place.(Which I can gloss over, since it is a cartoon about anthropomprphic hunks of metal and circuits.)

The story also fell apart with the humans...the writer made them uniteresting. They were important to the story that was presented, regardless of what you say, or they wouldn' have been featured in over half the movie. By the way, you contradicted yourself...one minute you say the story that takes place away form earth is:
absolutely essential to the storyline, and logical.
(A big part of that story is about the humans, their condition and their return to earth. It just is, period)

Then you tell us this:
The story is about the humans as much as Lawrence of Arabia is about the Arabians.

It can't be both...it has to be one or the other.

My contention is the story that takes place away from earth is not essential to the "love story" we are told the movie is really about. The conflict can easily take place on earth.

In the end, my feeling of the story falling apart is based on opinion and taste...just as your feeling is based on the same thing. Entertainment is subjective. Just because I think the writer did a poor job and failed to tie up loose ends and make characters interesting that take up half of the screen time doesn't make it right, nor is it a matter of semantics. I presented my case clear enough...I don't care if other people agree or not. It does give some insight as to what some folks standards are about "groundbreaking and amazing" entertainment is, and I may think they are wrong, but that doesn't matter in the end, either.
 

Tigggrl

Well-Known Member
Ok, I have seen this twice, since the first time I was totally stressed out, I wanted to give it another chance. Disney and Pixar have both given me reasons to care about objects or machines, versus people, in many different ways...I just don't like the whole Wall-E movie...It was boring, and not endearing in the slightest. The best part of the movie was the short......
 

MousDad

New Member
By the way, you contradicted yourself...one minute you say the story that takes place away form earth is:

(A big part of that story is about the humans, their condition and their return to earth. It just is, period)

Then you tell us this:

It can't be both...it has to be one or the other.

The meaning of my 2 statements went whizzing over your head as tornadically as the story of the film. It does not contradict. I still contend that the humans are not central to the story (essential but not central), maybe rising to the level of subplot. What I was referring to being seemless is the story of Wall*E and Eve, which plays out just as evenly in all 3 acts. You make it sound like they only appeared in act 1.

My contention is the story that takes place away from earth is not essential to the "love story" we are told the movie is really about. The conflict can easily take place on earth.

[Mild Spoiler Warning]

Then how would you know anything about Eve? How would Eve have fallen for Wall*E? All of this plays out dramatically in acts 2 and 3. The 2 most powerful scenes in the film are where Eve discovers what Wall*E did while she was "out," (act 2) and the scene where she desparately tries to bring Wall*E back to life (act 3). None of these would have been effective without the subplot/backstory.

The core issue of our debate is that I view the movie as being a single story with a subplot. (And by the way, the subplot plays out evenly in all 3 acts as well.) You view it as 2 different stories.
 

MousDad

New Member
No, I don't...which really makes all of our "debate" worthless. You don't want a discussion...you want to tell me what I am really trying to say, and how I really feel.

The final word is yours.

Getting personal was not and is not my intention, and having the last word doesn't matter. Your arguments were legitimate and well-delivered. I just don't agree with them and wanted to discuss the issue so both viewpoints could be seen, because it might affect someone's decision to see the film or not, which I think they should.

Sooo... How's the weather in Denver?
 

chris chris

Active Member
The story did fall apart...there was a giant plot hole. If Auto's directive was to ensure the humans never returned to earth, why bother even sending the EVE's out on their hunt in the first place.(Which I can gloss over, since it is a cartoon about anthropomprphic hunks of metal and circuits.)

The story also fell apart with the humans...the writer made them uniteresting. They were important to the story that was presented, regardless of what you say, or they wouldn' have been featured in over half the movie. By the way, you contradicted yourself...one minute you say the story that takes place away form earth is:

(A big part of that story is about the humans, their condition and their return to earth. It just is, period)

Then you tell us this:


It can't be both...it has to be one or the other.

My contention is the story that takes place away from earth is not essential to the "love story" we are told the movie is really about. The conflict can easily take place on earth.

In the end, my feeling of the story falling apart is based on opinion and taste...just as your feeling is based on the same thing. Entertainment is subjective. Just because I think the writer did a poor job and failed to tie up loose ends and make characters interesting that take up half of the screen time doesn't make it right, nor is it a matter of semantics. I presented my case clear enough...I don't care if other people agree or not. It does give some insight as to what some folks standards are about "groundbreaking and amazing" entertainment is, and I may think they are wrong, but that doesn't matter in the end, either.
auto could care less about eve but it was probly part of the plan auto made up to make the captian think he was trying. imoho
 

Hakunamatata

Le Meh
Premium Member
All this discussion is now moot. The best movie of the year has been released today. I guess Disney will have to hope that it can compete with Kung Fu Panda for an animation Oscar, cause best film is wrapped up.
 

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