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seascape

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HauntedPirate said:
Again with this hogwash? I mean, with regards to WDW - 20k more hotel rooms? Build 2 or 3 more theme parks??? Where in the blue blazes do you think they are going to put all of that? There isn't enough suitable land to do even a third of that, according to the maps I've seen, and even expanding to the marginally suitable land it would likely be so massively expensive to develop that the TWDC bean counters wouldn't touch it with a 10-meter cattle prod.

Perhaps you should spend some time researching and learning about WDW and Universal instead of spouting off this nonsense over and over.
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Perhaps you should do more reading and analysis. You should read the information RCID puts out. I guess you missed all the posts by insiders and their statments that WDW will be building some more resorts soon. It was also stated in the quarterly confetence calls. Do you really believe WDW does not have the land for 15,000 more rooms and 2 more parks, which I never said would be built but they have the land for.

There is more than enough land near MK for either a new park or a major expansion of MK. Eventually DVC will likely build the river country DVC. A new small Star Wars Hotel near DHS is coming. A new tower at the Dolphin. For you to say WDW will never have 50,000 or more rooms on property is just foolish. Ask any of the insiders on what they think WDW will have in 2030, let alone 2050 or 2071.
 
HauntedPirate

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
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seascape said:
Perhaps you should do more reading and analysis. You should read the information RCID puts out. I guess you missed all the posts by insiders and their statments that WDW will be building some more resorts soon. It was also stated in the quarterly confetence calls. Do you really believe WDW does not have the land for 15,000 more rooms and 2 more parks, which I never said would be built but they have the land for.

There is more than enough land near MK for either a new park or a major expansion of MK. Eventually DVC will likely build the river country DVC. A new small Star Wars Hotel near DHS is coming. A new tower at the Dolphin. For you to say WDW will never have 50,000 or more rooms on property is just foolish. Ask any of the insiders on what they think WDW will have in 2030, let alone 2050 or 2071.
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Land: How about... the RCID Comprehensive Plan? I have it. 563 pages. Can't wait for an updated one, as the current one is rather dated given the number of changes that have occurred in the past 7 years. The land immediately to the west of MK is marginally suitable for development, which means $$$ to develop that land for anything, and likely $$$$$$$$ for a theme park. There is land suitable for development further to the west of that, but it's disjointed. You also have to take into consideration the 100-year flood plain and how feasible it is to build on that, plus how much land has been designated for conservation, plus changing market conditions, plus changing management priorities, etc. Of course, there is mention in the Comprehensive Plan that both MK and Epcot will not expand outside their current boundaries, but I'm sure you know better, after everything that you stated.

I'm not questioning that DIS is adding hotel rooms, that's well known. But they aren't going to add 10,000 new hotel rooms anytime soon. That would be the equivalent of adding 5 CBR's, or 5 All-Star Movies, or 5 Riverside's. The infrastructure, as it stands, cannot handle that many new hotel rooms, let alone the theme parks. And the "you don't know what they'll have in 20, 30, or 50 years" is pure strawman. Could they have 50,000 hotels rooms someday? Possibly. And I could also possibly someday win the lottery. Maybe we should start calling you Frank Jr. - Throw enough crap against the wall and eventually something will stick.
 
SpaceMountain77

SpaceMountain77

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A luxury resort with a large volcano at the very center of it? Around the volcano would be all manners of recreational activities, including pools, slides, a lazy river, live entertainment, dining areas, and more? Please tell me more about this novel concept, oh website that must not be named:

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JoeCamel

JoeCamel

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SpaceMountain77 said:
A luxury resort with a large volcano at the very center of it? Around the volcano would be all manners of recreational activities, including pools, slides, a lazy river, live entertainment, dining areas, and more? Please tell me more about this novel concept, oh website that must not be named:

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Don't forget the Gondolas! and Monorails!
 
mk1971

mk1971

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Universal is definitely taking customers from Disney and Disney is well aware of that. Let me give you an exemple:

I am from Brazil and I take tour groups to Orlando since 2010. At that time, we spent 10 days at tha All Stars and went to Universal Studios only 1 day and did USF and IOA on the same day. Nowadays, we spent 5 days at the All Stars and 5 days at Cabana Bay and we spent 3 days at Universal.

Every July we used to go to a Disney water park, either Typhoon or Blizzard. Starting this July we will go to Volcano Bay. That's a change of only one travel agency who brings 1200 to 1500 guests to Orlando every year. I know many other travel agencies that did similar changes.

Apart from tour groups, I also sell tickets to regular families visiting Orlando. They are spending more time at Universal, they are more inclined to stay at Universal Resorts and the water park ticket sales these days are 80% Volcano and 20% Disney Parks.

So yes, Universal is upping their game and Disney is very much aware of that. And I think this competition is very good, because it pushes both companies to inovate and create better experiences for all of us.
 
Kman101

Kman101

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a90210 said:
Universal is definitely taking customers from Disney and Disney is well aware of that. Let me give you an exemple:

I am from Brazil and I take tour groups to Orlando since 2010. At that time, we spent 10 days at tha All Stars and went to Universal Studios only 1 day and did USF and IOA on the same day. Nowadays, we spent 5 days at the All Stars and 5 days at Cabana Bay and we spent 3 days at Universal.

Every July we used to go to a Disney water park, either Typhoon or Blizzard. Starting this July we will go to Volcano Bay. That's a change of only one travel agency who brings 1200 to 1500 guests to Orlando every year. I know many other travel agencies that did similar changes.

Apart from tour groups, I also sell tickets to regular families visiting Orlando. They are spending more time at Universal, they are more inclined to stay at Universal Resorts and the water park ticket sales these days are 80% Volcano and 20% Disney Parks.

So yes, Universal is upping their game and Disney is very much aware of that. And I think this competition is very good, because it pushes both companies to inovate and create better experiences for all of us.
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While probably true, are they affected enough where they actually care? Does it affect Disney's bottom line? Probably not because they keep raising prices on everything. Eventually this will matter, but I don't think it does right now. I'm sure they're aware and playing a waiting game but as long as they keep raising prices and people keep paying, we're just a blip on the radar. The parks are hardly hurting IMHO. Not negating your points, but Universal isn't the destination WDW is, not yet. It will be, it's starting to be, but WDW still maintains that hold. It's not be preferring one over the other, I love both resorts, but Universal is a different destination than WDW is. They appeal to similar demographics, but they also appear to very different ones.
 
Kman101

Kman101

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I still want to be able to ride my flying coaster into my volcano hotel :)

I feel like that Clickbait site just pulls anything it can out ...
 
mk1971

mk1971

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Bairstow said:
What's that been like?
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Hehehehe, honestly I've never had a problem with any of my tour groups. We just need to have a serious talk to them on the first day, explain how things work and make them understand that if they cooperate, they will have a perfect vacation - if they do something wrong, they will ruin their vacation. I tell them "hey, I don't care if we get kicked out of the park, I've been here a thousand times and will be back here in a few months. But you won't, so if you don't cooperate, you will miss some great things in here and who knows if and when you will ever come back here".
It works, I never had to yell at them or anything, quite the opposite - we often receive compliments of Cast Members. I tell the group stories about each park and they truly appreciate the experience, they're not there just for the roller coasters. In fact, last January my group of 40 teenagers told me that their favorite park of the whole trip was Epcot (over Busch Gardens, Universal, etc - I almost cried when I heard that).

But I am well aware that not all tour guides operate like me - some of them are clueless and of course the group goes out of control. I feel embarassed when I see some groups at the parks. But when a tour group is misbehaving, most of the times is the tour guide's fault. ;)
 
MisterPenguin

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
trainplane3 said:
That one site mentioned it even though it's for the Fort Wilderness permit.
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Yah. They don't have the resources to know when an old, old blue-sky rumor is dead... for now.

So, some land clearing preparing for some big project... why not for Volcano Hotel!!?

(Heck, why not for the originally planned city of E.P.C.O.T.?)
 
huwar18

huwar18

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Kman101 said:
While probably true, are they affected enough where they actually care? Does it affect Disney's bottom line? Probably not because they keep raising prices on everything. Eventually this will matter, but I don't think it does right now. I'm sure they're aware and playing a waiting game but as long as they keep raising prices and people keep paying, we're just a blip on the radar. The parks are hardly hurting IMHO. Not negating your points, but Universal isn't the destination WDW is, not yet. It will be, it's starting to be, but WDW still maintains that hold. It's not be preferring one over the other, I love both resorts, but Universal is a different destination than WDW is. They appeal to similar demographics, but they also appear to very different ones.
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I completely agree...I swear, I never remember Disney raising the prices this much in the past (they probably have). I just started really following this in he last 10 years or so (since I started paying myself). However, I feel like this is Disney's favorite move in the last so many years. Guest numbers are down? Raise the prices so we show gains in profit. Now, I know this is a popular business move. It is just ridiculous.
 
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