MK Villains Land Announced for Walt Disney World's Magic Kingdom

[ToTBellHop]

They are all about making sure loops exist now. I'm almost certain there will be a connection from the bathrooms by Village Haus.

Three options:

Red crosses an access road they can’t cross. Yellow is rather narrow (like the pinch point between Pan and Small World) flanked by two tall show buildings they’d rather not have us see. Plus it requires the removal of huge restrooms. Blue is easiest because they’re paving over the rivers and nothing needs to be sacrificed beyond that. So, blue is the east connection.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Three options:
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Red crosses an access road they can’t cross. Yellow is rather narrow (like the pinch point between Pan and Small World) flanked by two tall show buildings they’d rather not have us see. Plus it requires the removal of huge restrooms. Blue is easiest because they’re paving over the rivers and nothing needs to be sacrificed beyond that. So, blue is the east connection.

I'd be shocked if they don't do the blue line oath - I think that is one of the reasons for filling in Rivers of America as they would have to do som thing anyway to enable that path

And then would be a way into Villains land around by Big Thunder

My into question is if those two paths are the only way in or if they try for a third (either from Fantasy Land or a separate entrance)

Will b fascinating to watch over the coming years

 

[ToTBellHop]

I'd be shocked if they don't do the blue line oath - I think that is one of the reasons for filling in Rivers of America as they would have to do som thing anyway to enable that path

And then would be a way into Villains land around by Big Thunder

My into question is if those two paths are the only way in or if they try for a third (either from Fantasy Land or a separate entrance)

Will b fascinating to watch over the coming years

Any plans I‘ve heard of have those two connections. Works for our SWGE, Pandora, and TSL.

 

[doctornick]

Any plans I‘ve heard of have those two connections. Works for our SWGE, Pandora, and TSL.

My only ask would be that they leave some space on the east side of Villains to allow for a potential future guest walkway from Fantasyland. While I don't expect anything short term, it would be nice if they allowed for the possibility of connecting to a future expanded Fantasyland that could be build on the north side of the backstage road.

 

[ToTBellHop]

My only ask would be that they leave some space on the east side of Villains to allow for a potential future guest walkway from Fantasyland. While I don't expect anything short term, it would be nice if they allowed for the possibility of connecting to a future expanded Fantasyland that could be build on the north side of the backstage road.

It’s not really possible because they need to keep that road into the Utilidors. You’d need an enclosed guest tunnel. I can’t see that happening. And that doesn’t even account for fireworks issues. These kinds of issues are part of why RoA has to leave to make this work. But, there will still be space for expansion when they’re done.

 

[fgmnt]

It’s not really possible because they need to keep that road into the Utilidors. You’d need an enclosed guest tunnel. I can’t see that happening. And that doesn’t even account for fireworks issues. These kinds of issues are part of why RoA has to leave to make this work. But, there will still be space for expansion when they’re done.

Yeah, most charitably it would be a nontrivial engineering challenge to get a guest path behind IASW from Village Haus; the guest path would actually be more of a bridge over the utilidor entrance area until you get around the back and then get to the grade. Plus you would be adding a guest path another 250 feet into the fallout zone for fireworks. I would like it in theory but I definitely don’t expect it in practice.

 

[erasure fan1]

But, there will still be space for expansion when they’re done.

There sure will. Of course it's doubtful they use it. They'll just find a reason to get rid of something existing instead of actually expanding.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Yeah, most charitably it would be a nontrivial engineering challenge to get a guest path behind IASW from Village Haus; the guest path would actually be more of a bridge over the utilidor entrance area until you get around the back and then get to the grade. Plus you would be adding a guest path another 250 feet into the fallout zone for fireworks. I would like it in theory but I definitely don’t expect it in practice.

Could do some sort of covered walkway/tunnel that is also a bridge over the utilidoor access - make it like a longer version of the Galaxy's Edge Grand Ave tunnel. Help ease into the change of theme from Fantasyland to Villains land ...

... but definitely not trivial

 

[doctornick]

It’s not really possible because they need to keep that road into the Utilidors. You’d need an enclosed guest tunnel. I can’t see that happening. And that doesn’t even account for fireworks issues. These kinds of issues are part of why RoA has to leave to make this work. But, there will still be space for expansion when they’re done.

No reason you couldn't have a bridge over the access road to get to that area. Wouldn't need to be an enclosed pathway. I wouldn't do it at Village House or the Tangled bathrooms though. If not removing IASW and relocating, I think the best option would be to remove part of Belle's village and put a bridge from there north.

Fireworks fallout could be a thing, true, but worse case is they close it to guests before fireworks like they do with Toontown in DL.

 

[Starship824]

No reason you couldn't have a bridge over the access road to get to that area. Wouldn't need to be an enclosed pathway. I wouldn't do it at Village House or the Tangled bathrooms though. If not removing IASW and relocating, I think the best option would be to remove part of Belle's village and put a bridge from there north.

Fireworks fallout could be a thing, true, but worse case is they close it to guests before fireworks like they do with Toontown in DL.

Yeah I don't think fireworks is really a problem, just close off the area in the fallout zone before and after fireworks. I know there are rumors they want to add alternative fireworks viewing over here, which would be great, you could just have that area farther away from fallout zone.

 

[doctornick]

This is what I'm talking about long term in an ideal world. Would need to remove part of Belle's Village (either Gaston's Inn or the store or bathrooms or all of it) to create a guest bridge to the new area.

Villains in red. Expanded Fantasyland in yellow. Guest walkways in blue. The path over Magic Kingdrom Drive would need to be a bridge over that road.

 

[James Alucobond]

It is vastly more trouble than it’s worth to connect to Fantasyland when you can just loop between Liberty Square and western Frontierland. Again, I could see them doing something down the road if Haunted Mansion or Small World ever get the axe, but that’s pretty unlikely in the near term.

 

[ToTBellHop]

The views and noise would be awful if it were an open bridge. That’s a very active road there.

This is the first real expansion in almost 55 years. They won’t be expanding further for a long time, so the point is largely moot here.

 

[Starship824]

The views and noise would be awful if it were an open bridge. That’s a very active road there.

This is the first real expansion in almost 55 years. They won’t be expanding further for a long time, so the point is largely moot here.

Aren't there many examples of guests going over roads to to enter other areas? I think Fantasy Springs goes over a bridge over a road to go in.

 

[Bocabear]

To me, it would seem like removing/ relocating Small World and opening up that area as a new passage/Fantasyland village extension to the new portal entrance to Villains Land or whatever they will call it... Only remove the back half of the ROA leaving the Frontierland facing part of the ROA in place.... Expand the pat to the left side of the Haunted Mansion back to the newly acquired and filled in land without removing All of the ROA waterway... That section of the park would remain looking as it does without the intrusion of a cartoon franchise facing the historic section of the park... Small World would be the perfect addition to EPCOT...What other attraction is the absolute embodiment of World Celebration? They could do a new take on the Mary Blair facade with new tech and have another show and lighting opportunity.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Aren't there many examples of guests going over roads to to enter other areas? I think Fantasy Springs goes over a bridge over a road to go in.

The closest example to what we’d have here is Downtown Disney in DL. And I was still able to hear cars on Disneyland Dr. They do it out of necessity there. In MK, there’s no need. Other, far easier places to expand when they decide to in 2080.

 

[WowFactor]

Honestly, if they are hell bent on spending money to replace things instead of build on undeveloped ground, this would be the #1 thing to do. Put IASW in WS in Epcot, put in the Tokyo Tangled ride next to the bathrooms while creating a path to future Villains while opening up a ton of space for future FL expansion in the future.

This was exactly what I imagined when I developed my project for Villain’s Village. I considered that in the future IASW would give way to Tokyo’s Tangled and I put in a “secret” passage replacing the toilets with a facade reproducing the water dam. Another entrance would be next to Pinocchio to avoid dead ends.

 

[ThePhoenicians]

Is there any expectation that the underground tunnel systems is also expanded for this new part of the park, or would that be too difficult with existing layout?

 

[MisterPenguin]

Is there any expectation that the underground tunnel systems is also expanded for this new part of the park, or would that be too difficult with existing layout?

The utilidors is at literal ground level.

Everything over it was built up to be the second level. But with long sloping leading up to the second level, people don't notice they're on the second level.

This second level in the middle of the park slopes downward toward the RoA bank, and the RoA itself is lower than the bank.

So, for tunnels to extend out there, they'd need to dig down, or add tons of dirt over new utilidors.

It's very highly unlikely they'd do either.

 

[FutureCEO]

To me, it would seem like removing/ relocating Small World and opening up that area as a new passage/Fantasyland village extension to the new portal entrance to Villains Land or whatever they will call it... Only remove the back half of the ROA leaving the Frontierland facing part of the ROA in place.... Expand the pat to the left side of the Haunted Mansion back to the newly acquired and filled in land without removing All of the ROA waterway... That section of the park would remain looking as it does without the intrusion of a cartoon franchise facing the historic section of the park... Small World would be the perfect addition to EPCOT...What other attraction is the absolute embodiment of World Celebration? They could do a new take on the Mary Blair facade with new tech and have another show and lighting opportunity.

Today's Disney is not going to relocate a big ride.