Rumor Version of MaxPass coming to WDW in May?

[nickys]

PP is Park Pass. The forum will net let me include link. Go to USA Today article on October 13th by author Jayme Deerwester

I wish I could. It doesn’t let those of us in the EU read it.

So Chapek said this where and to whom? Their reporter only or was it in some public statement?

As for Park Passes (pretty sure they’re reservations but still ...), the parks did not reach their target capacity earlier in the summer. There’s also the very likely possibility that they didn’t even start at 25% of capacity. Only DHS came close to it’s target.

Then the numbers of guests visiting WDW increased, getting closer to capacity. Without a corresponding increase in other options, like dining, or park hours then obviously wait times would also increase.

 

[TTLUTS]

I think they’ve only increased capacity on two attractions: Rise of the Resistance and Runaway Railway. Rise doesn’t have a traditional wait time listed on the app, but Railway does, and the wait times dropped drastically after increasing capacity. It went from having the longest line in the park by far, to currently having the fourth longest line. So the lines have not increased despite increased ride capacity.View attachment 515957

Yes but that’s the only 2 rides to increase capacity. And it has def gone up, not down. While wait times have also gone up, not down.

 

[MisterPenguin]

The fact the parks became busier in September was likely due to the fact more people went to the parks. With only some restaurants open and reduced capacity in them, that would lead to more people in line during the day.

Also, reduced hours.

1. Reduced hours.

2. More people attending.

3. Opening up AP buckets because not enough resort guests.

There. So, @TTLUTS, if write that up and put in a blog post somewhere on the internet, will you believe that over someone else's suppositions?

 

[Galaxycake]

Yes but that’s the only 2 rides to increase capacity. And it has def gone up, not down. While wait times have also gone up, not down.

I thought your argument was that the wait times have gone up even with increased ride capacity. They haven’t, increased ride capacity has lowered their wait times.

 

[TTLUTS]

I wish I could. It doesn’t let those of us in the EU read it.

So Chapek said this where and to whom? Their reporter only or was it in some public statement?

As for Park Passes (pretty sure they’re reservations but still ...), the parks did not reach their target capacity earlier in the summer. There’s also the very likely possibility that they didn’t even start at 25% of capacity. Only DHS came close to it’s target.

Then the numbers of guests visiting WDW increased, getting closer to capacity. Without a corresponding increase in other options, like dining, or park hours then obviously wait times would also increase.

Public statement on CNBC interview. Said “We are limited to 6’ social distancing guidelines set by the CDC. That puts our park capacity at 25%. We will not change until the CDC guidelines change”. And the CDC guidelines have not changed but yet they went to 35% capacity. And my point is that he did this before that announcement on Nov 13th he made in public to go to 35% based on all the factual and anecdotal data available from a lot of insiders that have written on this. So he def lied. And I think twice. And i think that means this PP drop for December where every park for every group availability was an increase from 35% capacity. That’s all I’m saying .

 

[TTLUTS]

Also, reduced hours.

1. Reduced hours.

2. More people attending.

3. Opening up AP buckets because not enough resort guests.

There. So, @TTLUTS, if write that up and put in a blog post somewhere on the internet, will you believe that over someone else's suppositions?

Park hours have increased.

more people cannot attend unless they increase capacity.

All PP are redistributed once they make sure there’s enough for resort guests.

 

[nickys]

So you are trying to say that if there is no availability for Park Passes (like today for eg, you cannot go to the park today) then parks aren’t at capacity? You think Disney is not making them available?

Have you tried? Phave been getting a park reservation even when the calendar said they were unavailable.

And for the first few months there were very few, if any, days where there was zero availability at any park. They almost certainly held some back, since resort guests reported being able to get a park reservation day-of even when it appeared to be “full”. Not only that but there was often availability for resort guests which 2-3 days before would be switched to the AP “pool”.

They want last minute resort guests to be able to get into the parks. Makes sense they would keep some back until closer to the day.

 

[TTLUTS]

I thought your argument was that the wait times have gone up even with increased ride capacity. They haven’t, increased ride capacity has lowered their wait times.

Have you not read the wait time reports? InsideTheamagic has 3 reports today alone of how bad wait times are. Disney tourist blog has one from the other day saying same thing.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

Public statement on CNBC interview. Said “We are limited to 6’ social distancing guidelines set by the CDC. That puts our park capacity at 25%. We will not change until the CDC guidelines change”. And the CDC guidelines have not changed but yet they went to 35% capacity. And my point is that he did this before that announcement on Nov 13th he made in public to go to 35% based on all the factual and anecdotal data available from a lot of insiders that have written on this. So he def lied. And I think twice. And i think that means this PP drop for December where every park for every group availability was an increase from 35% capacity. That’s all I’m saying .

And again, all I am saying is that it is entirely possible that Disney found a way, by increasing ride capacity, opening restaurants, etc., that they could go to 35% in certain places - and still stay within the guidelines. They have some very intelligent people working for them, and they may have found a way to increase safely. Doesn't make him a liar. Just means that maybe Disney has smarter people.

 

[TTLUTS]

Have you not read the wait time reports? InsideTheamagic has 3 reports today alone of how bad wait times are. Disney tourist blog has one from the other day saying same thing.

All ears and have similar reports

 

[TTLUTS]

And again, all I am saying is that it is entirely possible that Disney found a way, by increasing ride capacity, opening restaurants, etc., that they could go to 35% in certain places - and still stay within the guidelines. They have some very intelligent people working for them, and they may have found a way to increase safely. Doesn't make him a liar. Just means that maybe Disney has smarter people.

I agree they have smart people. But a 40% increase in capacity (from 25% to 35%) is a hell of a lot of people. Plus chapeks own words were that they wouldn’t until the CDC changed their guidelines.

 

[nickys]

Public statement on CNBC interview. Said “We are limited to 6’ social distancing guidelines set by the CDC. That puts our park capacity at 25%. We will not change until the CDC guidelines change”. And the CDC guidelines have not changed but yet they went to 35% capacity. And my point is that he did this before that announcement on Nov 13th he made in public to go to 35% based on all the factual and anecdotal data available from a lot of insiders that have written on this. So he def lied. And I think twice. And i think that means this PP drop for December where every park for every group availability was an increase from 35% capacity. That’s all I’m saying .

So why not just post a link to the interview? That would be much more a direct source than a newspaper article.

The 25% was their maximum park capacity. As several of us have tried to explain - that does not mean they actually used 25% from Day 1.

And it doesn’t mean they make them all available at once. Plus there are likely many people who are cancelling their trip and park reservations and others booking a resort stay and trying to make them.

 

[Galaxycake]

Have you not read the wait time reports? InsideTheamagic has 3 reports today alone of how bad wait times are. Disney tourist blog has one from the other day saying same thing.

All I was saying was that your original assertion (rides that increased capacity still have the same wait times) was incorrect. As far as wait times at other rides, I don’t think increasing capacity on one or two rides would have much of an impact on wait times at other attractions with limited capacities. That’s especially the case considering that it’s Thanksgiving Break and all of the parks are at capacity. So yes, wait times are getting longer, but that’s because the parks are now actually reaching capacity when they weren’t before.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

I agree they have smart people. But a 40% increase in capacity (from 25% to 35%) is a hell of a lot of people. Plus chapeks own words were that they wouldn’t until the CDC changed their guidelines.

Ok, so you're just going to go with Disney couldn't possibly find ways to safely increase capacity, while still maintaining the CDC guidelines.

 

[TTLUTS]

So why not just post a link to the interview? That would be much more a direct source than a newspaper article.

The 25% was their maximum park capacity. As several of us have tried to explain - that does not mean they actually used 25% from Day 1.

And it doesn’t mean they make them all available at once. Plus there are likely many people who are cancelling their trip and park reservations and others booking a resort stay and trying to make them.

This forum site has blocked it.

 

[TTLUTS]

All I was saying was that your original assertion (rides that increased capacity still have the same wait times) was incorrect. As far as wait times at other rides, I don’t think increasing capacity on one or two rides would have much of an impact on wait times at other attractions with limited capacities. That’s especially the case considering that it’s Thanksgiving Break and all of the parks are at capacity. So yes, wait times are getting longer, but that’s because the parks are now actually reaching capacity when they weren’t before.

Ha. That was not my original point. My original point was despite rides increasing capacity and park hours being extended, wait times have gone up. Suggesting increase capacity. (which he said he wouldn’t do)

Parks reach capacity when park passes are sold out and that has happened almost every day since September. So the only way for wait times to get longer is to let more than 35% capacity in.

 

[TTLUTS]

Ok, so you're just going to go with Disney couldn't possibly find ways to safely increase capacity, while still maintaining the CDC guidelines.

Not based on what Chapek said. He said 6’ social distancing only happens at 25%. Did they increase the square footage of the parks?

 

[LuvtheGoof]

Not based on what Chapek said. He said 6’ social distancing only happens at 25%. Did they increase the square footage of the parks?

He said that based on what Disney was able to do at that point in time. Since then, they have added capacity, so an increase is still within the guidelines. Not sure why you can't see that. Oh, and as far as your wait times increasing, you brought up AllEars. Here is the times for the 2 most popular rides at HS. Please note that the wait times HAVE gone down from Nov 10th to the 26th.

Nov 10
10am
Millennium Falcon: Smugglers Run: 25 minutes
Mickey and Minnie’s Runaway Railway: 120 minutes

1pm
Millennium Falcon: Smugglers Run: 60 minutes
Mickey and Minnie’s Runaway Railway: 75 minutes

3pm
Millennium Falcon: Smugglers Run: 55 minutes
Mickey and Minnie’s Runaway Railway: 70 minutes

Nov 26
10am
Millennium Falcon: Smugglers Run: 25 minutes
Mickey and Minnie’s Runaway Railway: 55 minutes

1pm
Millennium Falcon: Smugglers Run: 45 minutes
Mickey and Minnie’s Runaway Railway: 40 minutes

3pm
Millennium Falcon: Smugglers Run: 55 minutes
Mickey and Minnie’s Runaway Railway: 40 minutes

 

[Galaxycake]

Ha. That was not my original point. My original point was despite rides increasing capacity and park hours being extended, wait times have gone up. Suggesting increase capacity. (which he said he wouldn’t do)

Parks reach capacity when park passes are sold out and that has happened almost every day since September. So the only way for wait times to get longer is to let more than 35% capacity in.

Park passes have not been sold out every day since September. That’s a ridiculous assertion. There has been plenty of same day availability for most parks on weekdays and, if you’re not an Annual Passholder there has been availability even on weekends. I may be wrong about this, but I believe today is the first day since reopening that every park has hit capacity (at the very least, it’s the first day I’ve heard about, correct me if I’m wrong). Also, as previously stated by LuvtheGoof, wait times at Hollywood Studios, the only park that is regularly reaching capacity, have actually gone down. The increased wait times at other parks are due to them getting closer to reaching their existing capacity, not Disney raising their capacity.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

Not based on what Chapek said. He said 6’ social distancing only happens at 25%. Did they increase the square footage of the parks?

I just have to add that the square footage of the parks has little to do with the max capacity. It is a figure comprised of what attractions are running with the numbers of guests they can handle, and add in the shops that are open, and the number of guests that they can handle, and the number of open restaurants, and the number of people they can handle, and probably a few other intangibles that I don't know about.