Rumor Version of MaxPass coming to WDW in May?

[LAKid53]

I'm not following...??

I was agreeing with you. About 50% of the annual visitors to Florida visit the Orlando theme park area. And a significant percent of them end up at WDW. Thus, if park attendance increases annually in the 5% range overall Florida tourism numbers increase annually, no scheme to manage wait times for rides will succeed until the number of rides in each park is increased. And that will require building either a 5th gate or expanding the acreage of each park.

 

[Jrb1979]

I was agreeing with you. About 50% of the annual visitors to Florida visit the Orlando theme park area. And a significant percent of them end up at WDW. Thus, if park attendance increases annually in the 5% range overall Florida tourism numbers increase annually, no scheme to manage wait times for rides will succeed until the number of rides in each park is increased. And that will require building either a 5th gate or expanding the acreage of each park.

Neither one is happening anytime soon. Their best option is to keep a reservation system and have a set capacity for the foreseeable future.

 

[LAKid53]

Neither one is happening anytime soon. Their best option is to keep a reservation system and have a set capacity for the foreseeable future.

True

 

[marni1971]

I agree they have smart people. But a 40% increase in capacity (from 25% to 35%) is a hell of a lot of people. Plus chapeks own words were that they wouldn’t until the CDC changed their guidelines.

Caps are fluid and constantly monitored. And not all rises are equal. As an example, a few weeks ago Epcot increased capacity by just 2000 per day. DHS did not increase capacity.

Regarding wait times, remember to also factor in downtime for ride vehicle cleaning.

 

[CastAStone]

Caps are fluid and constantly monitored. And not all rises are equal. As an example, a few weeks ago Epcot increased capacity by just 2000 per day. DHS did not increase capacity.

Regarding wait times, remember to also factor in downtime for ride vehicle cleaning.

Gotta make sure we scrub those ride vehicles for the virus that’s transmitted through the air.

 

[marni1971]

Gotta make sure we scrub those ride vehicles for the virus that’s transmitted through the air.

And through touch. In case you missed the memo.

 

[CastAStone]

And through touch. In case you missed the memo.

I saw the memo back in March. Then I saw the piles of research this fall that surface transmission is tiny if at all. I wouldn’t recommend licking the lap bar but I wouldn’t have done that before anyway.

Meanwhile they continue to open more indoor dining despite Ever increasing evidence that that the main source of transmission.

I’m all for washing your hands and having Purell dispensers before and after rides, but the spray downs aren’t preventing a fraction of the transmissions that having indoor dining open is causing.

 

[danv3]

I saw the memo back in March. Then I saw the piles of research this fall that surface transmission is tiny if at all. I wouldn’t recommend licking the lap bar but I wouldn’t have done that before anyway.

Meanwhile they continue to open more indoor dining despite Ever increasing evidence that that the main source of transmission.

I’m all for washing your hands and having Purell dispensers before and after rides, but the spray downs aren’t preventing a fraction of the transmissions that having indoor dining open is causing.

This.

But hygiene theater is at least as important for people to feel safe in the parks as security theater.

 

[Joesixtoe]

This.

But hygiene theater is at least as important for people to feel safe in the parks as security theater.

I love the one and only employee when you first enter the magic kingdom parking lot wearing a mask all by his lonesome.

 

[nickys]

I saw the memo back in March. Then I saw the piles of research this fall that surface transmission is tiny if at all. I wouldn’t recommend licking the lap bar but I wouldn’t have done that before anyway.

Meanwhile they continue to open more indoor dining despite Ever increasing evidence that that the main source of transmission.

I’m all for washing your hands and having Purell dispensers before and after rides, but the spray downs aren’t preventing a fraction of the transmissions that having indoor dining open is causing.

Transmission is from the virus entering the body.
That could be via droplets or aerosols, hence the mask wearing.
Or by touching an infected surface and then touching your face. Which is why at schools here for the nursery and first two years of school we disinfect or quarantine (for 72 hrs) all the toys, books and equipment.

You can argue that people just shouldn’t touch their face and thereby reduce the chances of transmission. But then you only need to consider how many people don’t bother to wash their hands after going to a rest room to see that relying on that is probably not wise.

And since WDW is using Florida guidelines, which are in turn based on CDC guidelines, I guess the ride cleaning is here to stay. Regardless of what you may choose to believe.

 

[marni1971]

I saw the memo back in March. Then I saw the piles of research this fall that surface transmission is tiny if at all.

Yes, we’ve seen that as well. Covid has never been said to spread mainly via surfaces, but it is a form of transmission.

virus transmits through air.
virus lands on surface.
virus doesn’t die.

Even your own CDC says that as recently as last week. Hence the precautions.

But don’t get me wrong. It’d be great if it didn’t.

 

[Demarke]

This.

But hygiene theater is at least as important for people to feel safe in the parks as security theater.

Security theater at least has a deterrent effect. Like an ADT sign in front of your house would never keep a competent robber from getting in to get your stuff before the police get there, but it might convince them it’s easier or more convenient to target some other place and might actually catch the incompetent ones.

 

[SoFloMagic]

Security theater at least has a deterrent effect. Like an ADT sign in front of your house would never keep a competent robber from getting in to get your stuff before the police get there, but it might convince them it’s easier or more convenient to target some other place and might actually catch the incompetent ones.

Yeah. I think it's kind of difficult. Clean more often and you increase crowds and exposure time (which would likely being more dangerous than the surfaces), but every 2 hours isn't going to stop much - but many people see it and will feel safe, plus they get to say theyre following guidelines. But they also say they're enforcing distancing, yet all they're doing is putting tape down.

I think it's a tough balance they're trying to strike, and I'd imagine they'd like something in between CA and FLs response so that they could have more more explicit guidelines rather than going it alone.

 

[DisneyCane]

And through touch. In case you missed the memo.

However, what is the point of the disinfectant spray once an hour or whatever it is? Either do it after unload or don't bother and try to get everybody to use hand sanitizer when they get off. The latter would be much more effective and efficient.

 

[marni1971]

However, what is the point of the disinfectant spray once an hour or whatever it is?

You'll have to ask the company.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

That my friends, is a lie by Chapek......

So I guess you haven’t read the rest of the thread before these replies. Might want to do that.

 

[dennis-in-ct]

MK got 3 million more people visiting per year compared to a decade ago. Where are they supposed to go except into ever increasing lines?

Long lines are a function of the parks being past its capacity to handle all those guests. It's constantly over its 'tipping point'. More people means longer lines for everything.

Don't blame FP+ for creating the lines that would have happened without FP+, blame Disney for *thinking* that FP+ would solve their capacity problem (when simple math should have proved that scheme to be faulty), or blame Disney for not increasing the park's capacity, or for not limiting capacity with a reservation system like the one in place, or for leaving the three 'other parks' with less than 10 rides each.

All valid observations.

Instead of expanding capacity for MK, Disney opted to control the crowds with the magic bands and have people make reservations 6 months in advance. Which to me, sucks the joy out of the vacation.

Last November, we visited DLR and we opted for the extra cost for MAXPAS. We loved the freedom and flexibility it offered. Being able to decide what to reserve (after entering the park) at the moment rather than planning my every move 6 months in advance was simply joyful.

I would love to see MaxPass available at WDW and not have the anxiety of needing to book fast passes 6 Months in advance. For example, we stayed on property for two days soon after flight of passage was open and we were unable to secure a fast pass SIX MONTHS in advance. Now, if maxPass was in it’s place, a person simply can book the attraction when the enter the park and actually have a chance because it would based on the people in the park at the time.

 

[Tuvalu]

For example, we stayed on property for two days soon after flight of passage was open and we were unable to secure a fast pass SIX MONTHS in advance.

Understandable since FP+ is only available 60 days in advance (90 days if club level + extra fee.)

 

[LAKid53]

unable to secure a fast pass SIX MONTHS in advance.

You can book ADRs 6 months out. FP+ 60 days for resort guests, 30 days for APs and ticket holders without a resort room.

 

[Demarke]

Understandable since FP+ is only available 60 days in advance (90 days if club level + extra fee.)

And, everyone was prioritizing FoP, so you really needed a 60+3 or 4 days worth of trip to be able to get a FP for it. If it’s only a two day stay, Disney’s probably not the sole thing you’re doing on vacation so missing it shouldn’t ruin anything (there’d only be time to do a fraction of the parks in that time anyway), but if it’s that important and you have no fast pass, rope drop.