Rumor Version of MaxPass coming to WDW in May?

[MisterPenguin]

Park hours have increased.

They went down in September leading to longer wait times.

The longer wait times led to the *speculation* that capacity increased.

You're basing the hill you're dying on on someone's speculation.

 

[lentesta]

Have you not read one thing I wrote? he lied, thats a fact.

He absolutely did not lie. We’ve counted people in lines and in all four parks.

 

[SoFloMagic]

he said they will not increase capacity unless the CDC changes the guidelines, that's a fact...…...

Changing policy is different from lying.

I think just about everyone expected up to have a handle on this by now. Remember two weeks to slow the spread? Man were we naiive back then...

 

[peter11435]

Yes but that’s the only 2 rides to increase capacity. And it has def gone up, not down. While wait times have also gone up, not down.

Those were not the only two rides to increase capacity. Many have in a variety of ways.

There was never a lie.

Don't believe all speculation you read and don’t create your reality based on speculation.

 

[Jrb1979]

The magic kingdom park sees roughly 5.7 x as many people as cedar point in a given year. The paid system isnt an inherently bad idea but people keep comparing it to universal or cedar fair parks or six flags....they all have a similar system....but FAR less people.
Cedar point 3.6 million
Six flags magic mountain 3..3 million

Universal is the only good apples to apples and as we know its very expensive and still capped.

That's the way it should be. For any skip the line system to work it needs to be capped. Its the only way it doesn't hurt the standby queue as much.

 

[easyrowrdw]

I was just wondering for anyone (regardless of your income) would they rather keep old FP+ system in place, get your 3 and wait in longer standby lines on the other rides or would you rather now have to pay for 3 and have shorter standby lines?

I'll take the old FP+ system in a heartbeat. I don't wait in long lines.

 

[LAKid53]

Just because the CDC hasn't released anything publicly, does not mean that they haven't been talking with Disney privately. And yes, the CDC talks with all kinds of organizations and companies privately. There has never been one single rule for everyone. Oh, and isn't it also possible that maybe the local governments ok'd the increase? So yes, since the CDC has not publicly stated that Disney could increase it's capacity, he's a lying jerk.

I am NOT defending him. I am merely pointing out hardly anyone outside of the company has no idea who they have been talking to, and exactly when they increased the number of people in the parks. Someone "feels" that it's busier does not mean that it is. You just assume that he is lying without any proof.

So because they slightly increased capacity on 2 of the most popular rides in one park means that they increased capacity of the parks over-all? What if they had many CMs out sick and had to reduce capacity at other attractions? Were they running everything else at full capacity? There are just so many other scenarios that would account for it appearing to be busier, when in fact, there isn't any more people than the previous week.

I have to ask. Why are you so adamant that he is lying, and what affect has it had on you?

Do not forget that the State of Florida also reviewed and approved WDW's plans.

 

[LAKid53]

Every time Disney released extra reservations was a cause for someone to declare they increased capacity when it was just the juggling of 'buckets,' presumably because WDW want to rightfully give their own resort guests access to the parks, but, when they didn't have enough guests/reservations, they opened up 'bucket' to APs and cast members.

Bingo

 

[King Panda 77]

Bingo

Wait , hold up ... we were playing bingo ?
I didn't even get a card .

 

[LAKid53]

More people cannot go to the parks when PP is sold out............unless they increase capacity............Theres plenty of evidence, and its from very reliable sources like Tom Bricker and Disney wait time data amongst others

he 100% lied......he said they werent increasing capacity unless the CDC changed their guidelines......Well the CDC didnt and he increased to 35%, by his own words.........

Do you disagree with that?

Oh, please, just give it a rest.

In July & August, parks were less crowded, not solely because of imposed capacity limitations, but because fewer people wanted to attend. (a) It was bloody hot and (b) Florida was in the midst of its surge in cases and hospitalizations. Furthermore, Phase 2 of the state's reopening plan limited WDW to 25% capacity. Once the state entered phase 3, which it has, WDW was allowed to "...return to normal operations with limited social distancing protocols." Phase 3 was effective September 25th. Disney chose not to, at the time. However, as Chapek stated in the recent earnings call, as theme parks have become more efficient and effective at operating under COVID guidelines, WDW was able to increase capacity to 35%.

As @LuvtheGoof so succinctly stated, as CEO of a publicly traded company, ANY Bob Chapek comment, ESPECIALLY one made during an earnings call, construed as a lie would dramatically affect TWDC share price and probably result in Chapek's firing by the BoD.

 

[LAKid53]

Public statement on CNBC interview. Said “We are limited to 6’ social distancing guidelines set by the CDC. That puts our park capacity at 25%. We will not change until the CDC guidelines change”. And the CDC guidelines have not changed but yet they went to 35% capacity. And my point is that he did this before that announcement on Nov 13th he made in public to go to 35% based on all the factual and anecdotal data available from a lot of insiders that have written on this. So he def lied. And I think twice. And i think that means this PP drop for December where every park for every group availability was an increase from 35% capacity. That’s all I’m saying .

On September 25th, the State of Florida entered Phase 3 of reopening. Which allowed theme parks to return to normal operating conditions with limited social distancing protocols.

Again, to reopen in July, TWDC had to submit its plans to the State of Florida for review and approval under existing state emergency procedures in effect at the time. THAT, sir, is what is governing WDW operations in the state.

Unless you've gained access to Disney's attendance figures, which TWDC doesn't exactly publicize (just ask Florida's tourism officials), anything published as an opinion is just that, an opinion and thus anecdotal.

 

[LAKid53]

They went down in September leading to longer wait times.

The longer wait times led to the *speculation* that capacity increased.

You're basing the hill you're dying on on someone's speculation.

And I was visiting at the time.

 

[nickys]

And I was visiting at the time.

So the longer wait times were your fault?

 

[LAKid53]

So the longer wait times were your fault?

Mine and @LuvtheGoof....he was there at the same time.

 

[_caleb]

So strange that someone would join WDWMagic just to remind us that Chapek is responsible for the demise of the parks (and company overall).

 

[JoeCamel]

So strange that someone would join WDWMagic just to remind us that Chapek is responsible for the demise of the parks (and company overall).

Or to loudly proclaim Bricker's superiority of opinion.

 

[dennis-in-ct]

I'll take the old FP+ system in a heartbeat. I don't wait in long lines.

Visiting the parks pre fast pass and post fast pass, i remember that haunted mansion never had a line until fast pass showed up.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Visiting the parks pre fast pass and post fast pass, i remember that haunted mansion never had a line until fast pass showed up.

MK got 3 million more people visiting per year compared to a decade ago. Where are they supposed to go except into ever increasing lines?

Long lines are a function of the parks being past its capacity to handle all those guests. It's constantly over its 'tipping point'. More people means longer lines for everything.

Don't blame FP+ for creating the lines that would have happened without FP+, blame Disney for *thinking* that FP+ would solve their capacity problem (when simple math should have proved that scheme to be faulty), or blame Disney for not increasing the park's capacity, or for not limiting capacity with a reservation system like the one in place, or for leaving the three 'other parks' with less than 10 rides each.

 

[LAKid53]

MK got 3 million more people visiting per year compared to a decade ago. Where are they supposed to go except into ever increasing lines?

Long lines are a function of the parks being past its capacity to handle all those guests. It's constantly over its 'tipping point'. More people means longer lines for everything.

Don't blame FP+ for creating the lines that would have happened without FP+, blame Disney for *thinking* that FP+ would solve their capacity problem (when simple math should have proved that scheme to be faulty), or blame Disney for not increasing the park's capacity, or for not limiting capacity with a reservation system like the one in place, or for leaving the three 'other parks' with less than 10 rides each.

When 50% of the nearly 127M visitors to Florida in 2018 were in the Orlando theme park area, do y'all think they just went to Legoland?

 

[MisterPenguin]

When 50% of the nearly 127M visitors to Florida in 2018 were in the Orlando theme park area, do y'all think they just went to Legoland?

I'm not following...??