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Rumor Version of MaxPass coming to WDW in May?
- Thread starter rle4lunch
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I was pretty ed when they went to the tiered system myself. I hate the fake demand signal that FP+ produced throughout the parks and making people book ADR's 6 months out for table service places that were previously walk-in available for 20 years.
I usually average 4-6 fastpasses a day at WDW. I average 10-15 at Disneyland with Maxpass.
Rope dropping, fast passing and utilizing single rider queues, I usually can experience 90% of all E-tickets in both parks, do a handful of minor rides (Mermaid, Monsters Inc, cars spinners, tiki room, fantasyland dark rides, etc) have a sitdown dinner, watch the night shows (in the summer I can usually hit WOC, Fireworks and Fantasmic, otherwise weekdays it’s WOC, weekends DLs shows) and reride some of my favorites (one ride on POTC, HM, BTMRR and RSR is never enough the others rotate.)
Maxpass would aid me very much in WDW. Being able to stack FPs for the afternoon as I ride in the morning is not possible outside of Epcot (I have been able to get Frozen, Soarin and Illuminations FPs after using 3 FPs at MK many times.) Imagine rope dropping DHS, prior to park opening book a FP for Slinky for 30 min after park opening, go immediately to Rise, single riding MF, going to TSL, riding Slinky, booking a FP for TSMM that is effective immediately, going there, riding that. Book a FP for RnRC in 30-40 min, going to ToT and standby for a 15-30 min wait. Using your FP at RnRC, see if a ToT FP is still less then 1 hour out of so do that one more time and then start booking FP at the MK for the afternoon evening (starting with SDMT, then Space, BTMRR, etc) usually high capacity rides and water rides like HM, Splash, POTC, Small World have fastpasses bookable up until an hour before closing as their standby queues decrease throughout the night.
In the last 75 min of operation at DL (ie after the last Fantasmic) I can usually ride POTC, HM, and 1-2 other rides (usually either BTMRR, Splash, MF, Indy, Sweeper Train ride, itasw holiday, Peter Pan or Alice.)
Rope dropping, fast passing and utilizing single rider queues, I usually can experience 90% of all E-tickets in both parks, do a handful of minor rides (Mermaid, Monsters Inc, cars spinners, tiki room, fantasyland dark rides, etc) have a sitdown dinner, watch the night shows (in the summer I can usually hit WOC, Fireworks and Fantasmic, otherwise weekdays it’s WOC, weekends DLs shows) and reride some of my favorites (one ride on POTC, HM, BTMRR and RSR is never enough the others rotate.)
Maxpass would aid me very much in WDW. Being able to stack FPs for the afternoon as I ride in the morning is not possible outside of Epcot (I have been able to get Frozen, Soarin and Illuminations FPs after using 3 FPs at MK many times.) Imagine rope dropping DHS, prior to park opening book a FP for Slinky for 30 min after park opening, go immediately to Rise, single riding MF, going to TSL, riding Slinky, booking a FP for TSMM that is effective immediately, going there, riding that. Book a FP for RnRC in 30-40 min, going to ToT and standby for a 15-30 min wait. Using your FP at RnRC, see if a ToT FP is still less then 1 hour out of so do that one more time and then start booking FP at the MK for the afternoon evening (starting with SDMT, then Space, BTMRR, etc) usually high capacity rides and water rides like HM, Splash, POTC, Small World have fastpasses bookable up until an hour before closing as their standby queues decrease throughout the night.
In the last 75 min of operation at DL (ie after the last Fantasmic) I can usually ride POTC, HM, and 1-2 other rides (usually either BTMRR, Splash, MF, Indy, Sweeper Train ride, itasw holiday, Peter Pan or Alice.)
Demarke
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I regularly get 10-15 FP at WDW (and 25-30 rides overall), particularly at MK when I do full days. Just set the first three for early in the day then you can get more as the day goes on refreshing the app. You can only re-ride things so many times before it gets old so it’s only so beneficial at Epcot or HS. But I’ve regularly been able to rope drop SDD, walk on at TSMM and Saucers, then do FP Star Tours on the way to RotR, and single rider MF, then FP RnR and ToT, then do a couple extra FP of ToT all before noon.
My preference would be ditch all of it and standby everything, but I realize that’s probably never going to permanently happen. Otherwise, I really like the WDW system as it is now. No matter what system is in place, someone is going to get screwed because capacity isn’t going to change, just whether the system benefits planners (current), early risers (Maxpass apparently), or the wealthy (paid line skipping). Of the options, I just hope it isn’t the paid option, I doubt I’d keep my AP if I had to either book a $500-1000/night hotel room (assuming that like Universal, the benefit only extends to the premium hotels) or pay an extra $100+ per day to get access to it.
aliceismad
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I think ditching it all and going to standby for everyone sounds fabulous. But it seems unlikely. I agree that any system is going to benefit a specific touring style. Many people are not die-hard rope drop-to-close ride-as-much-as-we-can people. Especially at WDW, where many people spend a week, downtime and leisurely days and half days are important to many people's vacation satisfaction. Personally, sometimes I will choose sitting in an area and enjoying the ambiance rather than another ride.
lazyboy97o
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That's just it, capacity should change. That is the inherent problem at Walt Disney World, one FastPass+ was created to try and hide. MaxPass is not fundamentally better than the Disneyland Resort, the Disneyland Resort just has better capacity. Disney shouldn't stop intentionally trying to offer as little as possible and instead aim for providing an industry minimum 1.5 attractions per guest per hour. Doing this would benefit the most people. Planners could still map out their day with knowledge of wait times and those who do not plan can just show up to find manageable waits.
Disney could have done that any any time with FP+, i.e., throttle back availability so that standby wasn't too long.
If Disney didn't do that with FP+, I highly doubt they'll worry about standby if a MaxPass variant rolls out.
The problem is too many people in the park at one time and going past the tipping point of the capacity of all the attractions. Once that happens, lines develop and grow. The most popular rides have waits past one to three hours.
FP+ and MaxPass just shuffle around who gets to cut to the front of the line. Their absence wouldn't make the lines disappear.
Any version where you have to be in the park to get your first pass will result in what we saw with BGs in DHS.
If people really want a pass-less system in which everything is standby-only without 2-3 hour waits for the top rides, then Disney needs to cap attendance and keep the park reservation system online.
Correct.
All the FP+ haters say that it increases wait times in the standby line. Couldn’t disagree more. This is 100x worse. Would take you 6 hours to get on 4 rides. That’s crazy. If you had FP at least you would get to ride 3 rides without a wait. The argument that total wait times are lower without FP+ holds no merit. And this is with the parks at only 35% capacity. The rides arent at 35% capacity. They might be reduced but my guess is that rides are running at least at 50% of full capacity And probably a lot higher than that. (especially with the changes made with plexiglass dividers on ROTR and MMRR and other rides)
Nope. The price increase in 2013 (the year FP+ was introduced) was $6 or $1 to the single day pass; the price difference on the increase was due to a MK ticket getting a $6 increase and the other parks only $1.
https://allears.net/walt-disney-world/wdw-planning/wdw-ticket-increase-guide/
Lol from what I’ve seen the answer is clearly it depends how much disposable income the poster has. The more they make the less they care if they’re paying to get a leg up. If you do 1 disney trip in your life and have to skimp just to do it it’s gonna suck! If you have a household income of $300K it’ll be annoying but fine, and if you have an HHI of $500K it’ll be great because you won’t feel as much pressure to spring for a VIP tour!
I was just wondering for anyone (regardless of your income) would they rather keep old FP+ system in place, get your 3 and wait in longer standby lines on the other rides or would you rather now have to pay for 3 and have shorter standby lines?
I am reading some new reports (ITM and ) that the new Park Pass drop that Disney just made 2 days ago is likely increasing capacity to 50% for the holidays........If so, do you think wait times for rides will be 100+minutes for the popular rides?
twilight mitsuk
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Nope, ap blockout reshuffling
Jrb1979
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Good. Its bad enough they hit capacity today. Too many obviously don't care to listen to what's advised in not traveling.
I am not so sure about that...….Chapek denied capacity increasing despite there being obviously more people and longer lines and then a week after he came out and said they had not increased capacity, he said they actually had increased capacity to 35% when he couldn't lie any more...……..We won't know for sure until those dates and you get to see the parks and the wait times...…...If I were a betting man, I would bet they increased it