US-192 Memories, Sucess, and Failure

POLY LOVER

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Why would Disney gobble up additional property in the area? They have divested themselves of numerous parcels, notably most of the land where Celebration now sits, as well as the Four Seasons property. There are thousands of acres to still develop bought for next to nothing decades ago. Why buy property outside the berm and be subject to the laws of common companies?

As for hotels in the Celebration area, there are a few nice ones, but most have had serious financial difficulties along the way. The very nice Melia was once the Mona Lisa Condotel... That did not work out well for anyone who bought a room there. The timeshare that is now building has been delayed numerous times and has changed ownership. There is a large closed resort complex right across from Celebration that operated as a Ramada before they pulled their flag. It was slated to be torn down years ago, only to now fester. There is a growing homeless camp just outside of Celebration.

There are areas of 192 that are ok, or are improving, and there are large areas that look like scenes from the walking dead. There are or were dilapidated hotel/motels at several spots, including the back entrance to Animal Kingdom Lodge on Sherberth, the spot where the Margaritaville resort is slated for, and several heading east toward Kissimmee, ah the Viking Motel.... Here's to hoping the trend of tearing down or rebuilding continues.

Just take a few minutes around 192 and Poinciana. Lovely sign for the Knights Inn, with the Knights part spray painted black... So is it just an INN now? Signs are still broken or missing parts from years ago.

As you head into Kissimmee, it gets worse with closed big box stores and more several out dated hotels.

We could debate "total failure", but like I explained to my son, whether you get a 64 or a zero, you still get an F.

There has been talk of the county utilizing code enforcement and eminent domain to solve some of the issues. Just the fact that the county is talking about doing anything is a positive. They are not proactive at all.

but you are alot closer to succeding with a 64 than a zero. looking on the positive side. I do see signs of change in that area for the good. I think a lot of the damage was caused by the rcession and a struggle for some to come back.
 

POLY LOVER

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if disney extended good neighbor status to these hotels outside their property and would not be so greedy everyone would prosper. Disney wants it all and will take down the entire area to do it. it will hurt them in the end if they depress their surrounding neighbors. It goes back to the corporate greed factor
 
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The Tuna

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I used to Stay in the one that burnt down a few years back. stayed from 2000-2005. Between 2003 and 2005 it changed from and Econolodge to something else and I dont think they had cleaned in the time we hadn't been there. Had the Black Angus Steakhouse attached which is still there I believe. It was great, cheap and just up the road from DAK. Loved that place. In addition to the nasty rooms on our last trip we looked over to see the waiter digging in his nose for Green Gold. He then came over and asked if we wanted a refill on our drinks. Surprisingly we were good and didn't need them. That was our last meal there.

Other than that our 192 memories consist of trips to Centra Care with various things like ear infections, or medication left at home. Cant beat paying $300 for being stupid and leaving your stuff at home. I call those life lessons though.
 

ULPO46

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The first time I went to 192 was in 1995 or 1996 (I was a youngin'). My mom extended our stay from the disney resort to the holiday inn nikki bird on 192. well, the hotel was filthy, roaches, spots and the second day of being there we both got very ill. It was a tragedy. With that said, I remember in the 90s (the reason why we ended up in kissimee to begin with) was because of the Kissimmee St Cloud commercials that used to air on tv and it promoted 192 and kissimee as the gateway to the world. As an adult, I actually enjoy 192. Both super 8s are nice and cheap and the best resturants are along the stretch of road. Traffic is a mess because you have the locals that live in the area (who work in the tourist industry) combined with tourists. As much as International Drive is promoted I hate it! I avoid it at all costs that is a tourist trap.
I remember those commercials that's why I said 192 was the gateway to the World. That was up until they built Osceola PKWY and added other entrances off of I-4. Those were the happiest days of my life!
 

ULPO46

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Ah, but, you can by providing good rooms for way less money and proximity to good, much more inexpensive restaurants. Even adding in car rental, if that is necessary, is still light years away from the cost of staying on site. Pay for parking you say? The only place that charges for parking are the parks themselves. Still a bargain. I don't understand why people still think that anything is free at WDW. One way or the other you pay for it, and it is a kings ransom.

As long as Disney Marketing continues to plant in everyone's mind that they are missing out on so much by staying offsite they will continue to fill rooms. Not by me however.
Actually the Marriott World is notorious for it's hidden fees and expensive parking. But it's not on 192. I have always felt that 192 needs to revamp its self. If I had a group of friends invest with me, I'd start buying up dead motels and turning them into nice hotels with free breakfast and transportation to the parks. Not to mention no hidden charges. But that's happy thoughts. It's been a dream of mine since I was a kid and after acquiring my degree in hospitality to make my hometown great again. It's shameful how some of these places have been allowed to die out being so close to Disney. Sure I-Drive is next to Uni and SEAS, but the problem with that is the nasty traffic even off the peak tourist season. As for restaurants I miss Key W. Kools but I love Longhorn for it's price as well as the quality, if only Disney had restaurants like that!
 

ULPO46

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Just watch if by any God for saken chance Florida State and the Seminole Tribe of Florida and the Miccosukee Tribe can agree on legalizing casinos, 192 would be the perfect strip since there is still more space to build then the crowded and congested International Drive. I remember when they were building the Peabody tower, I thought Casinos were coming to Orlando! I know it's a family destination but imagine the impact gambling could give to the state. But alas the Seminoles and Miccosukee's have a very strong hold on casinos and gambling in the state.
 

POLY LOVER

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Actually the Marriott World is notorious for it's hidden fees and expensive parking. But it's not on 192. I have always felt that 192 needs to revamp its self. If I had a group of friends invest with me, I'd start buying up dead motels and turning them into nice hotels with free breakfast and transportation to the parks. Not to mention no hidden charges. But that's happy thoughts. It's been a dream of mine since I was a kid and after acquiring my degree in hospitality to make my hometown great again. It's shameful how some of these places have been allowed to die out being so close to Disney. Sure I-Drive is next to Uni and SEAS, but the problem with that is the nasty traffic even off the peak tourist season. As for restaurants I miss Key W. Kools but I love Longhorn for it's price as well as the quality, if only Disney had restaurants like that!


FREE TRANSPORTATION WOULD BE A KEY.
 

Disnee4Me

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Wasn't there a restaurant on 192 called the A-Train in the 80s-early 90s. We went there a couple of times. But after taking 2 hours to get out of MK on NYE' 94, being 6 months pregnant, I told my DH, we would stay on property from now on. So we stayed at All Star Music when we next returned in '97 with an almost 7 year old and an almost 2 year old. It was so convenient that we vowed to always stay on property. Back in those days, the resort store sold discontinued/leftover clothing & other merchandise at a very deep discount price. Those were the days!!!
 

MKCP 1985

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192 Memories? :)

For a brief time in the mid-80s, Walt Disney World housed its 400+ college program students in the "Snow White Village" on Dopey Drive, right off US 192 and I was one of the lucky ones to stay there.

For the curious, it was located adjacent to the KOA Campground and was patrolled by "Howard" in a golf cart. He was a character and I can only hope he is still doing well.

The housing units were specially rigged mobile home units that had housed the 1984 Olympic Athletes in Los Angeles, with 4 bedrooms and a common kitchen where any open bag of potato chips or cereal was susceptible to ants, in particular. Why those units were relocated all the way across the USA will always be a mystery to me. CPs were charged $60 per week to live there and in the days before cell phones, the only telephone was a pay phone up by the office. Can you imagine? For those with no cars, Disney provided a bus (for another fee) to take people back and forth to either the cast member parking lot or to what is now Downtown Disney. I was fortunate to have my own car so made friends offering rides -

The international students were housed up the road at Lake Buena Vista in real apartments and so in short order Snow White Village gave way to the more traditional apartments you hear about now.

To my perception, Highway 192 was never the home of particularly nice restaurants or hotels - or Disney Housing - so it is no wonder that as prices have escalated it has been left mostly behind.
 

Goofyernmost

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Actually the Marriott World is notorious for it's hidden fees and expensive parking. But it's not on 192. I have always felt that 192 needs to revamp its self. If I had a group of friends invest with me, I'd start buying up dead motels and turning them into nice hotels with free breakfast and transportation to the parks. Not to mention no hidden charges. But that's happy thoughts. It's been a dream of mine since I was a kid and after acquiring my degree in hospitality to make my hometown great again. It's shameful how some of these places have been allowed to die out being so close to Disney. Sure I-Drive is next to Uni and SEAS, but the problem with that is the nasty traffic even off the peak tourist season. As for restaurants I miss Key W. Kools but I love Longhorn for it's price as well as the quality, if only Disney had restaurants like that!
To be honest there are more and more that do charge for parking at the hotel. Those are the ones that I will not go to even though I can pay that charge and still save money when compared to onsite. It's more the shortsightedness of charging for that by them that I find offensive. I would probably pay more for a room with no objection, but, to be asked to pay to park my car, in that area, is not something that I take kindly too. I had to get there someway, so I get penalized for using my vehicle to get to them so I can spend money for my room? No! I understand downtown areas where the parking is limited, hotels that have to build underground facilities, with employees, because of that limitation. OK. Don't pave a field, not have security and tell me I have to pay extra. Just one of my things.

The I-Drive area is much newer and is closer to Uni and SeaWorld, the west, after all these years is finally starting to expand leaving the scummy areas to the east. To bad that Kissimmee cannot seem to get a handle on that situation because it is destroying it.

There are a couple of deserted areas along the west side of I-4. Two big ones that seem like they should be in prime real estate areas. I don't remember the name of the first one closest to I-4 (might even be just to the east of it) but, it has been deserted for a long time, but, they seem to have kept it in some degree of good shape. Perhaps a housing set up of weekly rates for local workers. The other is right along the edge of Sherberth Road that has literally been falling down for years now. I stayed there years ago. It was a giant Econolodge and was quite pleasant, not spectacular, but, priced well and was comfortable. It's sad to see it like it is now. I noticed last time I was there that they have started to level it. Hopefully something good will replace it.

I remember my first "economy" trip there in 1983 I stayed at a place that was way down 192w. That has also been leveled within the past few years, but, the area has started to see new building in recent years. Amazingly, the McDonalds that we ate breakfast at way back then, is still in operation. Even though it is close to Rte 27, it is an easy run into WDW. Much easier then from Kissimmee.

I have stayed at a number of hotels on the east side over the years and I like to take a day during my vacation and see what they are like now. There is one that I have pictures of my kids using the pool. It had a very nicely landscaped look and a little wooden bridge that went across a ditch near 192. It's the place where Capone's Dinner Show is now located. I went there and wandered around. The hotel was closed up, the swimming pool was filled in, but, amazingly the little bridge was still there, 30 years later. I wouldn't advise trying to stand on it anymore though. I don't know why I enjoy seeing those things because it is rather sad, but, at the same time ignites some fond memories.
 

NemoRocks78

Seized
Ah, 192. It will always be a "special place" to me. I grew up two hours south of the parks, so we'd visit for a weekend every month or so. Because of the frequent visits, and the fact that there were five of us in our family, we rarely stayed on property. Getting to stay at one of the All Star Resorts because of a great AAA or FL Resident discount was the most exciting thing to this loyal WDW For Kids By Kids reader. Instead, we made our way through the many different properties along 192 - everything from the Travelodge Suites with the big orange out front to the old HoJo near Water Mania. One place we stayed at frequently was the Magic Castle Inn & Suites, because their "suites" offered our family plenty of room and the place was actually clean and comfortable (it's still there today, but I have no idea what it's like inside). The trouble of going to hotels so much actually led my dad to buying us an apartment out in Kissimmee a decade ago, which we all still stay every other weekend or two today.

I took my wife and kids to Old Town a few months ago, on a Friday night, and man, was it a bummer. That place used to be a blast at night. No more carnival rides at the back, no more ferris wheel, lots of empty spaces, etc. Thankfully the haunted house is still there, and the general store still sells Pepsi in little glass bottles. I used to love going there for one of those a Moon Pie. Hopefully the announced refurbishment turns the place around. And does anyone remember the Jeff Foxworthy restaurant near the Burger King? That place was great. :hilarious:

For me, 192 was so exciting to drive up and down because so much was going on back then. So many hotels, restaurants, shops, etc. The excitement I feel driving up and down the Vegas Strip at night now is how I used to feel on 192 as a kid that simply loved being in Kissimmee/Orlando. It's a shame to see it like it is now. The old Wild Bill's plaza, which had a decent remodel, sits there empty. The Movie Rider building by Chili's and Uno is falling apart. The plaza with Boston Lobster Feast and the old American Gladiators dinner show looks like it was frozen in the 80's. And then there's all the crappy hotels, no-name "restaurants," and hookah bars. I think it'd be great to see some major improvements up and down the whole road. Some of the newly announced stuff, like MargaritaVillage and that extreme sports resort (though I'd be surprised if that actually happens), are steps in the right direction. I hope they keep it up.
 

POLY LOVER

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Ah, 192. It will always be a "special place" to me. I grew up two hours south of the parks, so we'd visit for a weekend every month or so. Because of the frequent visits, and the fact that there were five of us in our family, we rarely stayed on property. Getting to stay at one of the All Star Resorts because of a great AAA or FL Resident discount was the most exciting thing to this loyal WDW For Kids By Kids reader. Instead, we made our way through the many different properties along 192 - everything from the Travelodge Suites with the big orange out front to the old HoJo near Water Mania. One place we stayed at frequently was the Magic Castle Inn & Suites, because their "suites" offered our family plenty of room and the place was actually clean and comfortable (it's still there today, but I have no idea what it's like inside). The trouble of going to hotels so much actually led my dad to buying us an apartment out in Kissimmee a decade ago, which we all still stay every other weekend or two today.

I took my wife and kids to Old Town a few months ago, on a Friday night, and man, was it a bummer. That place used to be a blast at night. No more carnival rides at the back, no more ferris wheel, lots of empty spaces, etc. Thankfully the haunted house is still there, and the general store still sells Pepsi in little glass bottles. I used to love going there for one of those a Moon Pie. Hopefully the announced refurbishment turns the place around. And does anyone remember the Jeff Foxworthy restaurant near the Burger King? That place was great. :hilarious:

For me, 192 was so exciting to drive up and down because so much was going on back then. So many hotels, restaurants, shops, etc. The excitement I feel driving up and down the Vegas Strip at night now is how I used to feel on 192 as a kid that simply loved being in Kissimmee/Orlando. It's a shame to see it like it is now. The old Wild Bill's plaza, which had a decent remodel, sits there empty. The Movie Rider building by Chili's and Uno is falling apart. The plaza with Boston Lobster Feast and the old American Gladiators dinner show looks like it was frozen in the 80's. And then there's all the crappy hotels, no-name "restaurants," and hookah bars. I think it'd be great to see some major improvements up and down the whole road. Some of the newly announced stuff, like MargaritaVillage and that extreme sports resort (though I'd be surprised if that actually happens), are steps in the right direction. I hope they keep it up.

Maybe 192 is in the same shape as Disney closed rides empty buildings and in need of a refurbs all over. Let me just give you a restaurant tip, on 192 mile marker 14 is probably the best authentic Mexican restaurant anywhere. el Tenapa I never miss at least one meal there when I go down. There are many local mom and pop gems there you just have to know about them.
 

Tom Morrow

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The Movie Rider building by Chili's and Uno is falling apart.
What was this? It's one of many now-abandoned buildings on 192 that I'm baffled by. I had no idea there ever even was an American Gladiators dinner show. Apparently its now "The Rock Church." I pass it frequently and never knew, but was always confused by the massive size of that seemingly empty building.
 

POLY LOVER

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Ah, 192. It will always be a "special place" to me. I grew up two hours south of the parks, so we'd visit for a weekend every month or so. Because of the frequent visits, and the fact that there were five of us in our family, we rarely stayed on property. Getting to stay at one of the All Star Resorts because of a great AAA or FL Resident discount was the most exciting thing to this loyal WDW For Kids By Kids reader. Instead, we made our way through the many different properties along 192 - everything from the Travelodge Suites with the big orange out front to the old HoJo near Water Mania. One place we stayed at frequently was the Magic Castle Inn & Suites, because their "suites" offered our family plenty of room and the place was actually clean and comfortable (it's still there today, but I have no idea what it's like inside). The trouble of going to hotels so much actually led my dad to buying us an apartment out in Kissimmee a decade ago, which we all still stay every other weekend or two today.

I took my wife and kids to Old Town a few months ago, on a Friday night, and man, was it a bummer. That place used to be a blast at night. No more carnival rides at the back, no more ferris wheel, lots of empty spaces, etc. Thankfully the haunted house is still there, and the general store still sells Pepsi in little glass bottles. I used to love going there for one of those a Moon Pie. Hopefully the announced refurbishment turns the place around. And does anyone remember the Jeff Foxworthy restaurant near the Burger King? That place was great. :hilarious:

For me, 192 was so exciting to drive up and down because so much was going on back then. So many hotels, restaurants, shops, etc. The excitement I feel driving up and down the Vegas Strip at night now is how I used to feel on 192 as a kid that simply loved being in Kissimmee/Orlando. It's a shame to see it like it is now. The old Wild Bill's plaza, which had a decent remodel, sits there empty. The Movie Rider building by Chili's and Uno is falling apart. The plaza with Boston Lobster Feast and the old American Gladiators dinner show looks like it was frozen in the 80's. And then there's all the crappy hotels, no-name "restaurants," and hookah bars. I think it'd be great to see some major improvements up and down the whole road. Some of the newly announced stuff, like MargaritaVillage and that extreme sports resort (though I'd be surprised if that actually happens), are steps in the right direction. I hope they keep it up.


How about the Water Tower Shopping center with the new Publix, thas been redone? It depends what you want to focus on?
 

Goofyernmost

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I used to Stay in the one that burnt down a few years back. stayed from 2000-2005. Between 2003 and 2005 it changed from and Econolodge to something else and I dont think they had cleaned in the time we hadn't been there. Had the Black Angus Steakhouse attached which is still there I believe. It was great, cheap and just up the road from DAK. Loved that place. In addition to the nasty rooms on our last trip we looked over to see the waiter digging in his nose for Green Gold. He then came over and asked if we wanted a refill on our drinks. Surprisingly we were good and didn't need them. That was our last meal there.

Other than that our 192 memories consist of trips to Centra Care with various things like ear infections, or medication left at home. Cant beat paying $300 for being stupid and leaving your stuff at home. I call those life lessons though.
I stayed there once, I had a Hawaiian Theme if I remember (in name only) and it's demise is a very good reason why hotels might react strongly to someone saying that they had time to build a Meth Lab.

That hotel had to have been one of the first ones ever built along that strip in anticipation of WDW opening. It was ancient even 12 years ago when I stayed there. Because the rates were so low it also had a large permanent occupancy living there as well. I used the restaurant once or twice and didn't see any problems at the time.
 

Master Yoda

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To be honest there are more and more that do charge for parking at the hotel. Those are the ones that I will not go to even though I can pay that charge and still save money when compared to onsite. It's more the shortsightedness of charging for that by them that I find offensive. I would probably pay more for a room with no objection, but, to be asked to pay to park my car, in that area, is not something that I take kindly too. I had to get there someway, so I get penalized for using my vehicle to get to them so I can spend money for my room? No! I understand downtown areas where the parking is limited, hotels that have to build underground facilities, with employees, because of that limitation. OK. Don't pave a field, not have security and tell me I have to pay extra. Just one of my things.
You are not alone in that. One of the things I like most about Disney resorts is the one and done pricing. Paying to park at a resort I am paying to stay at long with a "resort fee" for a paper I never read or services I never use chaps my rump like you would not believe.
 

The Tuna

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I stayed there once, I had a Hawaiian Theme if I remember (in name only) and it's demise is a very good reason why hotels might react strongly to someone saying that they had time to build a Meth Lab.

That hotel had to have been one of the first ones ever built along that strip in anticipation of WDW opening. It was ancient even 12 years ago when I stayed there. Because the rates were so low it also had a large permanent occupancy living there as well. I used the restaurant once or twice and didn't see any problems at the time.
I remember reading it was built elsewhere, Delaware maybe for some sort of event and then dismantled and brought there. I thought it was clean and a steal at the prices we got. I had zero complaints until out last trip. I should have checked out and gone elsewhere. It was bad. The girl working the front desk wouldn't even respond when i said Hi how are you. just looked down, played on her phone a bit, then looked up and asked for a reservation number, keyed some stuff in told us our room number and said NEXT. Similar to how you get greeted at a Disney hotel, except the complete opposite.
 

NemoRocks78

Seized
What was this? It's one of many now-abandoned buildings on 192 that I'm baffled by. I had no idea there ever even was an American Gladiators dinner show. Apparently its now "The Rock Church." I pass it frequently and never knew, but was always confused by the massive size of that seemingly empty building.
Movie Rider was a simulator attraction, similar to some of the Ripley's Moving Theater attractions out there today. I never did it, but always wanted to. There was also one on I-Drive, in the building that's now Howl at the Moon.

How about the Water Tower Shopping center with the new Publix, thas been redone? It depends what you want to focus on?
That place (which is considered Celebration, which I wasn't really focusing on) looks great. And there are plenty of other improvements that have been made on 192, and there are a lot of other projects on the way. The majority of the road needs more improvements, though. I would say everything from the Wawa/Medieval Times/Walmart area to 192/I-Drive (besides newer stuff that has come about and the SuperTarget and such) could use some serious updating.
 

POLY LOVER

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Movie Rider was a simulator attraction, similar to some of the Ripley's Moving Theater attractions out there today. I never did it, but always wanted to. There was also one on I-Drive, in the building that's now Howl at the Moon.


That place (which is considered Celebration, which I wasn't really focusing on) looks great. And there are plenty of other improvements that have been made on 192, and there are a lot of other projects on the way. The majority of the road needs more improvements, though. I would say everything from the Wawa/Medieval Times/Walmart area to 192/I-Drive (besides newer stuff that has come about and the SuperTarget and such) could use some serious updating.

I understand, yes I think there are some good things to come there. I like the new SUPER TAGRGET great store(clean bright etc) WAWA, ALDI, ROSIES BARBECUE, that will infuse some life and new stores should follow, They are also building something where the old pirate golf used to be.
 

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