Unsettling “security” checks.

[NickMaio]

If Disney allows you to request that the security check take place at a certain time, or not take place at a certain time, then the entire security check system is useless.

Yup....totally agree.
The whole security check thing is a redundant activity that is bothersome and pointless.

Let the FBI or Florida police do their detective work and online stings.

 

[Chi84]

If Disney allows you to request that the security check take place at a certain time, or not take place at a certain time, then the entire security check system is useless.

Not really. I've always thought that it acts as a first level deterrent. Knowing Disney will be checking the room each day makes it more likely that someone bent on illegal acts will go elsewhere. Path of least resistance. I'm well aware that those who don't like the policy will not agree with this or entertain any suggestion that it can be useful. Disney disagrees.

 

[unmitigated disaster]

But here's the thing: let's say Jon Smith goes on a murderous rampage at the Contemporary, firing down from the top of the atrium, and it turns out Disney never checked his room because they don't have a policy about it. How many here would be screaming bloody murder at Disney for not having a policy?

Disney is between a rock and a hard place here.

 

[NormC]

All staying in the resorts are affected but with your paying dues comes with a lots and lots of perks... That regular guests don't have since they are not DVC members.

Wrong. Dues do not pay for perks.

 

[correcaminos]

I think it's okay to complain even if you don't own DVC. As a guest in their hotel, you are within your rights to let Disney know that you don't like the daily room check policy and ask for a reasonable accommodation. Your DVC contract doesn't give you any additional rights over a regular hotel guest with regard to the room checks, but I can understand how it makes it more difficult to accept advice to just stay off-property. We are also DVC members and haven't been affected by the room checks, but I can understand how others would be. I've always found Disney to be very accommodating, so I recommend working with them on a sensible solution. I would caution against shooting the housekeeper, though, no matter what you've read here about Florida law.

I never said I had more rights. Just that when I bought in 15 years ago this was absolutely not how it worked. So I'm just supposed to sell because I don't like it? That's all. Not a right though. Just every 4 days turns into daily. Some visits have been nice, some haven't. Some accommodating and some not.

I just have zero choice in paying extra dues for this. Which I am quite annoyed with. I have let DVC know that this increase is a little much. I'd honestly do anything to avoid the extra fees like that. (yes I am okay with wage increase increasing my dues. I'm not okay with paying that for something that is all CYA smokescreen stuff)

I have less of a choice to stay off property unless I do sell which is a ridiculous gut reaction IMO to something like that.

Not sure why you are talking about shooting a housekeeper. I assume that was another poster, but still.

 

[Chi84]

I never said I had more rights. Just that when I bought in 15 years ago this was absolutely not how it worked. So I'm just supposed to sell because I don't like it? That's all. Not a right though. Just every 4 days turns into daily. Some visits have been nice, some haven't. Some accommodating and some not.

I just have zero choice in paying extra dues for this. Which I am quite annoyed with. I have let DVC know that this increase in addition to having to pay for the wage increase in the same year is a little much. I'd honestly do anything to avoid the extra fees like that.

I have less of a choice to stay off property unless I do sell which is a ridiculous gut reaction IMO to something like that.

Not sure why you are talking about shooting a housekeeper. I assume that was another poster, but still.

It was more than one poster - bringing in stand your ground laws for some odd reason - but you're right.

 

[correcaminos]

It was more than one poster - bringing in stand your ground laws for some odd reason - but you're right.

I just was not sure why that was pinned on me in that post.

I also edited my post to make sure people realize I'm cool with wage increases. Just not with this. I can hope they can find a better method that won't cost me privacy or dues, which is all I do. If I can go to NYC and be more left alone than Disney, they they can adjust and not be so invasive in their methods.

 

[Benjamin_Nicholas]

What do you say to those like me who has owned DVC for 15 years? We are literally paying for the increase with our dues. So unlike all of you who have no increase (daily housekeeping) I think it's okay or complain and see if more reasonable accommodations can take place. We went from no one in our room daily to this.

But maybe I'll go with a knee jerk reaction and sell instead? Not really the adult way to work.

I mean, you bought into the timeshare model knowing what changes could be ahead.

Complain all you like. I'm just being realistic

 

[Chi84]

I just was not sure why that was pinned on me in that post.

I also edited my post to make sure people realize I'm cool with wage increases. Just not with this. I can hope they can find a better method that won't cost me privacy or dues, which is all I do. If I can go to NYC and be more left alone than Disney, they they can adjust and not be so invasive in their methods.

Apologies for that - it wasn't my intent.

I would add that we have visited Disney many times since the policy was implemented and that we've never experienced the kind of invasive behavior described by many people here. No one has ever knocked when the Room Occupied sign was out, and I'm pretty sure they skipped our room and came back because I heard housekeeping knocking on other doors. I find it hard to believe, as someone reported, that a housekeeper actually said, "Oh, we ignore those signs." On my daily walks around the property, I often saw housekeepers knocking repeatedly and calling out "housekeeping" more than once before entering. No barging in. I don't doubt that some have had bad experiences with the policy, but I believe they're the exception. The hue and cry that followed the implementation of this policy has died down, and I expect in part it's because Disney has found a way to be less intrusive.

I understand perfectly what you're saying about the mere existence of this policy being a disruption. One of the things we liked most about DVC is the lack of daily housekeeping. We don't need it and sometimes the housekeeping schedule had them in our rooms just as we were returning from the parks, pool, etc to get ready for the evening. But we've found the trash removal service to be quick and a lot less disruptive than an entire room cleaning. It is what it is, and we understand why Disney is doing this. I made my feelings known to Disney when the policy was adopted, then decided to work with them if necessary to keep the disruption to a minimum. So far it hasn't been necessary, but that may change in May when we bring our baby grandson to Disney for the first time. But there's no way I'm going to let this policy get in the way of having a great time.

 

[ninjaprincesst]

Apologies for that - it wasn't my intent.

I would add that we have visited Disney many times since the policy was implemented and that we've never experienced the kind of invasive behavior described by many people here. No one has ever knocked when the Room Occupied sign was out, and I'm pretty sure they skipped our room and came back because I heard housekeeping knocking on other doors. I find it hard to believe, as someone reported, that a housekeeper actually said, "Oh, we ignore those signs." On my daily walks around the property, I often saw housekeepers knocking repeatedly and calling out "housekeeping" more than once before entering. No barging in. I don't doubt that some have had bad experiences with the policy, but I believe they're the exception. The hue and cry that followed the implementation of this policy has died down, and I expect in part it's because Disney has found a way to be less intrusive.

I understand perfectly what you're saying about the mere existence of this policy being a disruption. One of the things we liked most about DVC is the lack of daily housekeeping. We don't need it and sometimes the housekeeping schedule had them in our rooms just as we were returning from the parks, pool, etc to get ready for the evening. But we've found the trash removal service to be quick and a lot less disruptive than an entire room cleaning. It is what it is, and we understand why Disney is doing this. I made my feelings known to Disney when the policy was adopted, then decided to work with them if necessary to keep the disruption to a minimum. So far it hasn't been necessary, but that may change in May when we bring our baby grandson to Disney for the first time. But there's no way I'm going to let this policy get in the way of having a great time.

Honestly I could care less because we are rarely in the room during the day. I f they walk in on something they shouldn't I am sure they are used to it , so Im not going to get upset about it. This is the world we live in , safety first,

 

[mdcpr]

There's always that possibility that those that get multiple security checks is because they were deemed a security risk as soon as they checked-in. Hotels and airlines have ways of determining from a quick glance who they should worry about it. Is it fair? No. Is it right? No. Could it fall under racial profiling? Maybe. Could it be socio-economic profiling? Maybe. But this is the way is done and instead of complaining, just deal with it because it is the way is done.

 

[Lilofan]

All housekeeping or security are doing is a quick visual check to make you feel you think you are safe. If the bad guys really wanted to sneak items into the hotel room to plan something, it's not rocket science.

 

[correcaminos]

There's always that possibility that those that get multiple security checks is because they were deemed a security risk as soon as they checked-in. Hotels and airlines have ways of determining from a quick glance who they should worry about it. Is it fair? No. Is it right? No. Could it fall under racial profiling? Maybe. Could it be socio-economic profiling? Maybe. But this is the way is done and instead of complaining, just deal with it because it is the way is done.

Hard pass. We're racially profiled enough tyvm. It's why we purchased Precheck. Of course if I could buy my way out of it I would

Apologies for that - it wasn't my intent.

I would add that we have visited Disney many times since the policy was implemented and that we've never experienced the kind of invasive behavior described by many people here. No one has ever knocked when the Room Occupied sign was out, and I'm pretty sure they skipped our room and came back because I heard housekeeping knocking on other doors. I find it hard to believe, as someone reported, that a housekeeper actually said, "Oh, we ignore those signs." On my daily walks around the property, I often saw housekeepers knocking repeatedly and calling out "housekeeping" more than once before entering. No barging in. I don't doubt that some have had bad experiences with the policy, but I believe they're the exception. The hue and cry that followed the implementation of this policy has died down, and I expect in part it's because Disney has found a way to be less intrusive.

I understand perfectly what you're saying about the mere existence of this policy being a disruption. One of the things we liked most about DVC is the lack of daily housekeeping. We don't need it and sometimes the housekeeping schedule had them in our rooms just as we were returning from the parks, pool, etc to get ready for the evening. But we've found the trash removal service to be quick and a lot less disruptive than an entire room cleaning. It is what it is, and we understand why Disney is doing this. I made my feelings known to Disney when the policy was adopted, then decided to work with them if necessary to keep the disruption to a minimum. So far it hasn't been necessary, but that may change in May when we bring our baby grandson to Disney for the first time. But there's no way I'm going to let this policy get in the way of having a great time.

It's all good! We were bothered daily last year. This year was better but we had no sign for our longer trip. Because we often I have people in a group that come and go during rest time in the afternoon, we cannot even just bolt the door closed. Since we do 2-bedroom dedicated, we can't even try and lock off just part of our room. I would say our trips this last year were better, and I hope they are learning from it.

I do not plan to let them know what time we would like them not to come on our next trip, but our long trip after that I probably will just to be safe. I really don't like having to do that though, but that's because I don't like disturbing workers for silly little things. I did suggest an online option for that. I really would like to get back to not having to worry about if I'm going to be disturbed at day or not because that is what made DVC feels so much better to me than a regular hotel room even. I realized times change, but the security check that I've watched them do really doesn't make me feel secure. It makes me feel annoyed. I also dislike them taking my trash out daily for plastic bag reasons, but I haven't been successful in them not removing our trash daily. In fact in a couple cases they also replaced our towels which I find wasteful too. So there's some tweaking that needs to be done in my opinion.

I mean, you bought into the timeshare model knowing what changes could be ahead.

Complain all you like. I'm just being realistic

No I sincerely doubt that 15 years ago I would have had an idea that my dues would have to pay for security theater. I sincerely doubt anyone could have ever imagined that 15 years ago. But hey you be you.

 

[The Mom]

If the discussion again slips into the social issues/politics realm it will be moved. Otherwise, please discuss it politely. Thank you.

 

[Goofyernmost]

LOL I can think of a few.... activities.... that it would be awkward to be walked in on.... I think we all can

If your door is dead bolted they will not be able to get in. They might knock, but worst case scenario, you tell them it's not a good time and they will find a more convenient time. They really don't want to do that with you in the room even if all you are doing is a crossword puzzle.

 

[Goofyernmost]

I just was not sure why that was pinned on me in that post.

I also edited my post to make sure people realize I'm cool with wage increases. Just not with this. I can hope they can find a better method that won't cost me privacy or dues, which is all I do. If I can go to NYC and be more left alone than Disney, they they can adjust and not be so invasive in their methods.

Perhaps, NYC is better at subversive activity. They are there you just can't see them.

 

[flynnibus]

If Disney allows you to request that the security check take place at a certain time, or not take place at a certain time, then the entire security check system is useless.

The point isn't to 'catch people in the act' - it's to prevent rooms going extended periods in completely isolation.

 

[Benjamin_Nicholas]

I could care less

You could? How much less?

Couldn't care less is the right turn of phrase

 

[Benjamin_Nicholas]

No I sincerely doubt that 15 years ago I would have had an idea that my dues would have to pay for security theater. I sincerely doubt anyone could have ever imagined that 15 years ago. But hey you be you.

If you read your contract, I'm sure it's all there... Even 15 years ago. They use assessments at their discretion and for whatever they deem necessary.

Same goes for your tax-dollars (if you're a US citizen) and TSA. It might be theater, but it's meant as such. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

As for buying your way out of it, you can. It's called flying private and it's still amazingly TSA-free and relatively simple... For a price.

 

[Lilofan]

Even when security were to walk in a hotel room, I know some of my friends that live and act like pigs that their lives and hotel rooms are such a mess that security will probably take a look, then shake their heads. When vacationing in Istanbul, we had to go through full metal detectors before entering the lobby and security used mirrors and visual search of cars coming into the hotel area in search for explosives.