NickMaio
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I know.....I just think it is outrageous.
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Unsettling “security” checks.
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unmitigated disaster
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Errr...they own the property. Whose permission do they need?
Look, this is not some kick the door open then search the room with dogs while armed goons carrying AK-47s and dressed like kill squads stand menacingly over you.
And realistically most people don't notice or care because they're out of the room.
Look, this is not some kick the door open then search the room with dogs while armed goons carrying AK-47s and dressed like kill squads stand menacingly over you.
And realistically most people don't notice or care because they're out of the room.
Chi84
Premium Member
The police need probable cause to come into your home because the fourth amendment protects citizens from unreasonable searches and seizures by the government. Disney is a private entity running its business as it sees fit.
If Disney stated why it instituted the room check policy, I missed it. Some are convinced that it was in reaction to Vegas based on the timing - others think it may have been something else. We've stayed on property many times since the policy has been in effect and have never been disturbed by it. As far as whether they do any good, I believe at the very least someone bent on wrongdoing may choose another place if they know Disney intends to have eyes in each room each day. Whether or not the policy does enough good to justify possibly disturbing guests is entirely up to Disney. I'm sure there are people who decided to stay elsewhere because of this.
The policy doesn't bother me, but others are passionately against it. By all means, let Disney know how you feel about it - that's your right as a customer. But I've seen advice on some of these threads that guests should purchase devices to obstruct access to their rooms, set up cameras, be rude or aggressive toward the people performing the checks (mostly it's the housekeepers just making up the rooms), and other things too silly to mention. I don't believe this is good advice. If the policy bothers you that much, the way to avoid it is to stay in a hotel that does not do daily room checks.
If Disney stated why it instituted the room check policy, I missed it. Some are convinced that it was in reaction to Vegas based on the timing - others think it may have been something else. We've stayed on property many times since the policy has been in effect and have never been disturbed by it. As far as whether they do any good, I believe at the very least someone bent on wrongdoing may choose another place if they know Disney intends to have eyes in each room each day. Whether or not the policy does enough good to justify possibly disturbing guests is entirely up to Disney. I'm sure there are people who decided to stay elsewhere because of this.
The policy doesn't bother me, but others are passionately against it. By all means, let Disney know how you feel about it - that's your right as a customer. But I've seen advice on some of these threads that guests should purchase devices to obstruct access to their rooms, set up cameras, be rude or aggressive toward the people performing the checks (mostly it's the housekeepers just making up the rooms), and other things too silly to mention. I don't believe this is good advice. If the policy bothers you that much, the way to avoid it is to stay in a hotel that does not do daily room checks.
wdwtopten
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I don't know how verifiable mass murder is a *smaller* issue than your imaginary Disney human trafficking issue. Also, how would a random room check reliably expose or stop human trafficking? I can't say that it hasn't ever happened (human trafficking at a Disney resort) but it certainly can't be common enough to warrant these room checks.
This is accurate.
Jeffrey Epstein and his ilk stay at their mansions and estates. They don't need to do their dirty work at Disney resorts.
FutureCEO
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Fixed your sentence
unmitigated disaster
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Perhaps not Jeffrey Epstein personally but yes, I bet rich guys do.
My personal thought is if they have good reason to think something is really off, they send in security instead of housekeeping. I mean sure they'll get it wrong: Susie keeps crying because her mom is dying. Bobby's got massive bruising because he's on bloodthinners. Dimitri is a foreign exchange student there with his host family. But they know what to look for, and some of it is how they act. How they dress.
My personal thought is if they have good reason to think something is really off, they send in security instead of housekeeping. I mean sure they'll get it wrong: Susie keeps crying because her mom is dying. Bobby's got massive bruising because he's on bloodthinners. Dimitri is a foreign exchange student there with his host family. But they know what to look for, and some of it is how they act. How they dress.
Disney like other corporations conduct their own internal investigation then Public Relations does damage control and speaks on behalf of the company if media is involved.
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donsullivan
Premium Member
Folks have to understand that this is a practice taken up by other major hotel chains across the world. Chains like Hilton have instituted the same policy that the room will be visually inspected at least once every 24 hours. This is not just something Disney is doing; it's happening throughout the hospitality industry and across the nation.
This is also the sort of policy that is focused on safety of the guests and the property and no amount of complaining is going to stop it. Safety is always the highest priority and it should be. Just because you never had to do it in the past is irrelevant. We live in a different world unfortunately, and this is the new norm in a growing segment of the hospitality industry just like security checks entering the parks that you didn't have to worry about in the past. And if you are the guest who starts aggressively pushing back on the practice the reality is they are going to start asking what you are trying to hide. You don't have to be actually trying to hide anything but if you push back too hard, they are going to ask why. If you try to do something that obstructs their access to the room you are going to end up raising suspicion that you are trying to hide something and the whole thing is likely to escalate.
This is private property and for the safety of the guests, their property and their brand reputation they are 100% within their rights to institute this policy. When you checked into the resort you agreed to abide by all of their policies. And if you as a guest are unable to live within those boundaries there are other choices in the marketplace you can choose that do not have similar policies. But you should understand that the number of places without those policies in place is getting smaller and smaller as this becomes normal practice in the hospitality industry.
This is also the sort of policy that is focused on safety of the guests and the property and no amount of complaining is going to stop it. Safety is always the highest priority and it should be. Just because you never had to do it in the past is irrelevant. We live in a different world unfortunately, and this is the new norm in a growing segment of the hospitality industry just like security checks entering the parks that you didn't have to worry about in the past. And if you are the guest who starts aggressively pushing back on the practice the reality is they are going to start asking what you are trying to hide. You don't have to be actually trying to hide anything but if you push back too hard, they are going to ask why. If you try to do something that obstructs their access to the room you are going to end up raising suspicion that you are trying to hide something and the whole thing is likely to escalate.
This is private property and for the safety of the guests, their property and their brand reputation they are 100% within their rights to institute this policy. When you checked into the resort you agreed to abide by all of their policies. And if you as a guest are unable to live within those boundaries there are other choices in the marketplace you can choose that do not have similar policies. But you should understand that the number of places without those policies in place is getting smaller and smaller as this becomes normal practice in the hospitality industry.
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skyphotographer
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If this is the way it's going to be than Disney needs to stop the "Welcome Home" greeting. In my home, nobody does a security check every 24 hours, or ever for that matter.
unmitigated disaster
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When did I mention media?
PixarPerfect
Active Member
Security is a part of our world today and the only way to truly avoid it is to stay home. It's certainly a major part of travel and entertainment today. Is it because those in the industry think everyone is a suspect? No. It's because they don't know who could be and have to err on the side of caution for reasons that range from "it could be anyone" to avoiding profiling lawsuits. Thats why the grandmother in the wheelchair is given the full wand treatment at the airport and all of our bags are inspected before we enter the parks.
Bad people have been targeting entertainment settings. Las Vegas shooting. Arianna Grande concert suicide bomb. Nightclub shootings. It's happening.
Security isn't going away so the options are to a) be angry and fight to no avail, or b) work with them and understand that they're doing it to protect you as much as everyone else.
As for human trafficking... I live in one of the wealthiest areas of the country. The kind of place with multi-million dollar homes. It recently came out this area is a hot spot for human trafficking, primarily children. It's hard to imagine that happening behind the manicured lawns, but evidently it is and most of us knew nothing about it. Not one location. Many. So yeah, I can believe that scum would use Disney as a cover.
Bad people have been targeting entertainment settings. Las Vegas shooting. Arianna Grande concert suicide bomb. Nightclub shootings. It's happening.
Security isn't going away so the options are to a) be angry and fight to no avail, or b) work with them and understand that they're doing it to protect you as much as everyone else.
As for human trafficking... I live in one of the wealthiest areas of the country. The kind of place with multi-million dollar homes. It recently came out this area is a hot spot for human trafficking, primarily children. It's hard to imagine that happening behind the manicured lawns, but evidently it is and most of us knew nothing about it. Not one location. Many. So yeah, I can believe that scum would use Disney as a cover.
John park hopper
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IMO security checks are just an exercise in Disney covering their butts. In the 1 in a million chance something happened the lawyers would have a field day in court --Disney would be paying out big bucks.
NickMaio
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In 35 years of traveling we have never stayed anywhere involving a room security check. When we stay in hotels for an extended period we always ask that the cleaning staff to not come by. We can clean up after ourselves. We have never been woken or knocked on.
This new world you speak of sounds very paranoid.
This practice is definitely not done anywhere in Canada. So crazy......
This new world you speak of sounds very paranoid.
This practice is definitely not done anywhere in Canada. So crazy......
Chi84
Premium Member
These policies are relatively new. Not surprised you haven't encountered them in 35 years of traveling. As another poster pointed out, though, they are starting to be adopted by major hotel chains.
Queen of the WDW Scene
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- In the Parks
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EXACTLY.
And to me when you understand the why it makes it easier to take at least in my opinion.
Just like TSA its annoying security theater and they miss important stuff and then stop me for an ankle tattoo of Figment and purple ink has metal in it.
I know its just my tattoo and its annoying that I get a pat down every time even after saying I'll pull up my pant leg so you can actually SEE what's under there but I also understand they need to cover their butt so they will still be patting me down.
What's always funny is when I'm wearing shorts and they say WAIT and then they say oh obviously you have nothing on your ankle. Carry on.
NickMaio
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Never encountered it..........
HongKongFu
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I know you're not suggesting that if something dreadful happened even after Disney did the security theater that it would not be liable......are you?
HongKongFu
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Yes the 4th
........via the 14th if we are talking about Florida law enforcement personnel as well as those acting as agents of law enforcement as opposed to central gov't creatures like an FBI.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Epstein was a John... not a pimp.
HongKongFu
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Sorry but the reality is security or no security Disney will pay if something goes down. If you think doing this insulates it from liability, then you have not been paying attention the last 30 plus years.