Price and value are two different things.
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Price and value are two different things.
Chi84
Premium Member
They are part of the same equation.
Indeed. But not mutually exclusive.
Add frustartion and subtract some quality, and enough people will be fine shifting. Clearly.
A Publix sub costs more than a MacDonalds sandwich, but I enjoy the Publix Sub and find it less of a hassle.
Not everyone will feel that way, but Publix is gladly taking people who do.
Chi84
Premium Member
Have you checked their relative popularity? And what in the world is a Publix Sub? If we're talking about things that cost more, I'm sure there are a ton of sandwiches that will be preferable to McDonald's.
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MrPromey
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For me, that is true but it's because I work from home and need to exercise more.
Next time you are in the Southeastern US, go into a Publix grocery store and get one on that sounds good to you on the five-grain bread. Solid choice.
BrianLo
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I’ve heard this a lot from a lot of smart people. I can believe it at Disneyland. Though I struggle anecdotally looking around WDW and feeling like families aren’t present.
On the flip side the attendance retreat has been good for them. Clearly WDW circa 2019 was operating at its breakpoint. Animal Kingdom was nuts. WDW didn’t really ‘deserve’ to have gained a further 10M lead on Uni last decade. I kind of luckily missed that entire 18/19 period.
BrianLo
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I really think you do a disservice to this park by defending it so voraciously. You set benchmarks that open really unnecessary criticism.
If you are really going down the monetary justification on success, which you seem to be doing by calling it a venture, there’s a shockingly large price tag you are overlooking. I’ll happily parse out quarterlies as we move forward. We’ll have the first crack at it in August.
Sir_Cliff
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I agree that D+ is going to be crucial, but I don't think TV shows were especially crucial to creating the nostalgia that fuels Disney in the present. Sure, there is nostalgia for the old Disney Afternoon shows, but that seems very much on the fringes of what Disney taps into at present and those shows had begun to peter out by the mid-1990s after a pretty short run. It seems more the films that children saw in the cinema and then watched on VHS multiple times that fuel the millennial nostalgia they are tapping into at present. My impression is that D+ is still very effectively bringing more recent films into homes to be re-watched multiple times.
Obviously, it's impossible to know what people will be nostalgic for in the future. As someone who grew up in the 1980s and 1990s, though, Disney certainly seems a lot more omnipresent now than even at the height of the animation renaissance.
Will be interesting to see the discussion in the WDW threads shift to people declaring Disney the cheap alternative and proclaiming their willingness to pay more to go to Universal because they provide a more premium product. Perhaps we will even see a gofundme to install showers in all the Comcast executives' offices.
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This is a pretty strong signal that at least two new portals coming eventually. (Positioning relative to the others is a clue where)
Sorcerer Mickey
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The person you are responding to is not making a sincere argument.
Epcot is not $60/$89 a ticket. The math for a three-day or four-day pass works out to about that much per park, but you cannot purchase a $60 Epcot ticket. OP framed their argument and left "...with a three-day ticket" at the end of their sentence on purpose.
I could buy a three-day ticket to Universal's parks, including Epic Universe, at a price ranging from $118 to $161. This works out to $39.33 to $53.67 per park. The same ticket is cheaper throughout the entire range versus Disney's equivalent.
EDIT: I should have specified Universal's ticket is not exclusive to Florida residents, so the difference is even more stark.
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
Yes, no, maybe so. There are two expansion pads that connect to Celestial park with the intent that they could be used as future lands. One on each side between the existing lands. How that land actually gets developed is not set.
John park hopper
Well-Known Member
Have a stay scheduled for January at Shades of Green will be doing Universal have no desire for WDW appears Universal has WDW beat on admission price another plus
You completely missed that the 118 to 161 is per day. You sincerely thought people are getting into a Uni park as low as 39 dollars a day when buying a three day ticket?
So your post had no basis here.
My point is the same.
For this summer, 3 days at WDWs parks not MK are cheaper than three days to take at Uni's parks.
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Yeah, theme parks take a long time for ROI because of their large price tag for brand new infrastructure, attractions and lodging.
But ya know. Five years ago EPCOT spent over 2 billion to have wha we have now.
Galactic Starcruiser...yeah.
Two new shows in the park that has star wars billions was included in the discount just six years ago and just got two new shows.
So don't act like Disney does not have price tags too. Not a knock on Disney, but they all do. And Disney has been seen as overspending billions. Remember Guardians cost over half a billion alone as Disney's most expensive attraction ever built. Even as a successful attraction. It takes time for ROI, and then you habe Rat, the front of the park redesign, infsatrcture, Moana etc.
But for a new park, EPIC is not having some concerning financial issues in regards to current performance. Clearly.
How could one not see it as a venture? By definition, a new theme park going into business is.
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DarkMetroid567
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I mean, by definition it is a “venture”, sure, but you’re taking the next step and proclaiming it a success. I’m not sure the shareholders are in agreement there yet.
As everyone in this thread has already pointed out, you’re way too early. There’s nothing yet stopping Epic from becoming Universal’s Disneyland Paris. I don’t think it will, but it’s certainly still possible.
A lot could happen and fizzle gojng forward. I have mentioned that. And I speak in terms of success for Universal and shift in current market share that is obvious to see the venture a success. No one should ever think that woth established resort and CP/CM base and current passholder that the number of guests will be ever or certainly not recently shown.
Disneyland Paris was park 1 of a new market and flopped because of the contempt many had for it.
This is the third park of this stature for Uni in market saturated with more major theme parks and attractions than anywhere else.
I don't think that is comparable even if numbers and profit margins would be close, which objectively we see tickets sold as increasing towards July, not diminishing.
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Sorcerer Mickey
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Ha! Wow, you're right. What a miss.
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