Universal Epic Universe (South Expansion Complex) - Now Open!

[celluloid]

Thank you so much! I would think drones can be a difficult animal at times to navigate, especially with weather anamolies. Have a great Day!

Thanks for that!

 

[TalkingHead]

Smoothest and currently the most successful venture and opening showing since Magic Kingdom. we have the information and data.

Epcot Center never existed?

 

[celluloid]

Epcot Center never existed?

People from the stsrt did not often pay full admission for EPCOT. It was an add on option from the get go.(in the future when things level out after a successful season maybe enticements will come)
Epcot has rarely had 16,000-22,000 people paying the equivalent admission that EPIC has through a set of months.
It was WDW's second and took time for it to develop with more hotels in its part of property.


This is Uni's third(larger and more impressive return than WDWs third)...and is still doing busters.


Yes, it did exist. Not at the same level as this.

 

[Minnesota disney fan]

Smoothest and currently the most successful venture and opening showing since Magic Kingdom. we have the information and data. Objectively. The biggest problem Epic has is too many people want to go for what it can handle. That does not equate to a failure, nor does it and rough day and moments on others negate it relative to running smoothly to how major theme park openings always go. There is no lie there.

My two posts were deleted this morning when they quoted yours. And mine that you are now attacking ever since, was the one that was left. Then you restarted the same attack. Since you did see your attacks deleted and posted the same post again, you know they were deemed wrong and are maliciously continuing.

Please stop or I will have to report it. This is nonsense. This user is constantly malicious to multiple posters.


Disengaging now. Feel free to continue to attack, or not.

I put that guy on ignore a long time ago. I see he hasn't changed.

 

[celluloid]

I put that guy on ignore a long time ago. I see he hasn't changed.

Yeah, it ended up being a good move. The amount of misinterpretation and hatered lined in really every post is concerning.

 

[JusticeDisney]

Yeah, it ended up being a good move. The amount of misinterpretation and hatetred lined in really every post is concerning.

That data you promised is forthcoming, right?

 

[DKampy]

I have no issue with Disney having a premier pass. I have always been for it. My issue has always been the cheaper version Disney sells. IMO too many people are still using the LL queues and it affects standby. IMO Disney should follow Universal and only sell Premier pass.

If we are honest…I am not sure any of us would choose a different path if we were in Bob Igers shoes…. If we saw money was left on the table by not offering Lighting Lane…it is all about pleasing your stock holders….there may be more of an Opportunity at Disney

I have used the Express pass twice at Universal…. Both were with free passes included with my stay…. I used it… but both trips it was not really needed for any attractions except for Potter… which at the time was not not included with the pass… the lines were so low that they let us stay on Spider-Man for a 2nd round when it got stuck briefly towards the end… and that was perhaps their most popular attraction

Where as Disney the lines I find are much crazier…. I have only bought 1 lighting lane… and that was for Radiator Springs Racers… as it has been my one and only time at Disneyland… so who knows when I will get back there…. Other than that I have not found a need for lighting lane… as throughout my trip I can Usually schedule a ride when the lines are lower… even if it’s jumping in line right as the park is closing… but I can see how others might

 

[Sir_Cliff]

People from the stsrt did not often pay full admission for EPCOT. It was an add on option from the get go.(in the future when things level out after a successful season maybe enticements will come)
Epcot has rarely had 16,000-22,000 people paying the equivalent admission that EPIC has through a set of months.
It was WDW's second and took time for it to develop with more hotels in its part of property.


This is Uni's third(larger and more impressive return than WDWs third)...and is still doing busters.


Yes, it did exist. Not at the same level as this.

I am not trying to undermine Epic's success, but declaring EPCOT Center's opening not at the same level as Epic's seems a stretch... to say the least.

I would like to see some numbers to back up that it opened mainly as an add on to the Magic Kingdom and was less of an attendance or financial success than Epic Universe can be declared after being open just a few days.

EPCOT Center was a massive undertaking that transformed WDW into the resort destination that it eventually became and in that sense also provided the model Universal now follows. Writing it off as an add-on that has rarely attracted the attendance of Epic in its own right seems nuts considering the impact it had on WDW and, by extension, the whole region. My understanding is that it rivalled MK's attendance at points during the 1980s. That Disney was slow to build more hotels says more about management at the time than the park's success.

The park was further considered the largest private construction project in the United States at the time and was a lot more grand in its scope and ambition than probably any park that has opened in the US since.

This doesn't take away from the achievement of Epic Universe, but I think it is another case of massive overreach.

 

[TalkingHead]

People from the stsrt did not often pay full admission for EPCOT. It was an add on option from the get go.(in the future when things level out after a successful season maybe enticements will come)
Epcot has rarely had 16,000-22,000 people paying the equivalent admission that EPIC has through a set of months.
It was WDW's second and took time for it to develop with more hotels in its part of property.


This is Uni's third(larger and more impressive return than WDWs third)...and is still doing busters.


Yes, it did exist. Not at the same level as this.

Your response doesn’t appear to account for inflation, the fact that 1982 was a totally different era in tourism and travel, public awareness of the development and opening of Epcot vs. Epic. It’s total nonsense to suggest Epic is the best, smoothest, grandest, most fantabulous, etc. whatever opening since MK. Get real.

 

[TalkingHead]

I am not trying to undermine Epic's success, but declaring EPCOT Center's opening not at the same level as Epic's seems a stretch... to say the least.

I would like to see some numbers to back up that it opened mainly as an add on to the Magic Kingdom and was less of an attendance or financial success than Epic Universe can be declared after being open just a few days.

EPCOT Center was a massive undertaking that transformed WDW into the resort destination that it eventually became and in that sense also provided the model Universal now follows. Writing it off as an add-on that has rarely attracted the attendance of Epic in its own right seems nuts consider the impact it had on WDW and, by extension, the whole region. That Disney was slow to build more hotels says more about management at the time than the park's success.

The park was further considered the largest private construction project in the United States at the time and was a lot more grand in its scope and ambition than probably any park that has opened in the US since.

This doesn't take away from the achievement of Epic Universe, but I think it is another case of massive overreach.

It’s nonsense. On name recognition alone, Epcot was a unique Disney term that the public understood dated back to Walt’s television pitch. That vs. the blank stares that accompany “Universal’s Epic Universe”.

 

[celluloid]

I am not trying to undermine Epic's success, but declaring EPCOT Center's opening not at the same level as Epic's seems a stretch... to say the least.

I would like to see some numbers to back up that it opened mainly as an add on to the Magic Kingdom and was less of an attendance or financial success than Epic Universe can be declared after being open just a few days.

EPCOT Center was a massive undertaking that transformed WDW into the resort destination that it eventually became and in that sense also provided the model Universal now follows. Writing it off as an add-on that has rarely attracted the attendance of Epic in its own right seems nuts considering the impact it had on WDW and, by extension, the whole region. My understanding is that it rivalled MK's attendance at points during the 1980s. That Disney was slow to build more hotels says more about management at the time than the park's success.

The park was further considered the largest private construction project in the United States at the time and was a lot more grand in its scope and ambition than probably any park that has opened in the US since.

This doesn't take away from the achievement of Epic Universe, but I think it is another case of massive overreach.

That is fair.

The add on comes from the fact that EPCOT for many was added as a discounted additional since opening and EPIC does not habe employees or as of now passholders entering gratis.
To be clear, I am not diminishing EPCOT's scale or success either, but as consumers, we can see Summer is selling out and guests spending one day, or many at property are spending the more than 139 for each day they spend af EPIC.

EPCOT Center, as much as I loved it, did not have the ancillary spending or draw of anything compared to Mario, Potter and How To Train Your Dragon in one place and a modern theme park environment with three new on-site campus of resorts including one VERY on-site hotel all with healthy bookings for the park you pay full for each day.
It's a different time and in much ways audience. So this is why I specifically said most successful venture since MK.



One would be delusional or at least hard pressed to compare it as a business success. No knock against EPCOT.

And thank you sincerely for a discussion instead of hurling insults as others have done.

 

[JusticeDisney]

That is fair.

The add on comes from the fact that EPCOT for many was added as a discounted additional since opening and EPIC does not habe employees or as of now passholders entering gratis.
To be clear, I am not diminishing EPCOT's scale or success either, but as consumers, we can see Summer is selling out and guests spending one day, or many at property are spending the more than 139 for each day they spend af EPIC.

EPCOT Center, as much as I loved it, did not have the ancillary spending or draw of anything compared to Mario, Potter and How To Train Your Dragon in one place and a modern theme park environment with three new on-site campus of resorts including one VERY on-site hotel all woth healthy bookings for the park you pay full for each day.
It's a different time and in much ways audience. So this is why I specifically said most successful venture since MK.



One would be delusional or at least hard pressed to compare it as a business success. No knock against EPCOT.

And thank you sincerely for a discussion instead of hurling insults as others have done.

Wow, I had no idea a human could back pedal that fast. Well done!

 

[lazyboy97o]

The add on comes from the fact that EPCOT for many was added as a discounted additional since opening and EPIC does not habe employees or as of now passholders entering gratis

1980’s Walt Disney World Tickets

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EPCOT Center was not a discounted ticket. It was the same price as Magic Kingdom and also caused the end of the cheaper ticket books as a choice.

 

[JusticeDisney]

1980’s Walt Disney World Tickets

Getting Started - Planning your trip to Walt Disney World in Orlando Florida

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EPCOT Center was not a discounted ticket. It was the same price as Magic Kingdom and also caused the end of the cheaper ticket books as a choice.

Don’t even bother with him. He literally just makes stuff up to fit his agenda and then hopes and prays that nobody actually calls him out on his nonsense. And when he does get called out on it, he claims he never said it in the first place. It’s laughable.

 

[celluloid]

1980’s Walt Disney World Tickets

Getting Started - Planning your trip to Walt Disney World in Orlando Florida

allears.net

EPCOT Center was not a discounted ticket. It was the same price as Magic Kingdom and also caused the end of the cheaper ticket books as a choice.

It was an add on to people, so vacation time that ended had what we're known as 2 day passports if you wanted more than one day. A discounted rate. EPCOT's second day was also cheaper than your first day there.
EPIC costs more than existing parks.


If you want two days at EPIC, the guest pays full price for both days. (Sans minor passholder discount avalibility that has sold out)

EPIC has yet to unlock this for the first sold out months(of course this will come later)

 

[lazyboy97o]

Don’t even bother with him. He literally just makes stuff up to fit his agenda and then hopes and prays that nobody actually calls him out on his nonsense. And when he does get called out on it, he claims he never said it in the first place. It’s laughable.

You’re really not one to talk.

 

[JusticeDisney]

You’re really not one to talk.

Oh, is that right? Point to a single thing that I either made up or claimed I never said after saying it. I’ll wait.

 

[DarkMetroid567]

guys pls

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

This generation(last decade) of kids is just as much Dreamworks and Illumination as they are Disney animated.
Nothing is forever.

I’ve never even heard of most the shows my nephews kids watch (I feel old just typing that), most of what they watch is on YouTube, apps, streaming services, or other non traditional media.

This is where I think D+ is going to be crucial to Disneys “nostalgia” future, unfortunately the only show that’s really connected with them so far is Bluey and some early Pixar stuff, D+ is the perfect venue to create nostalgia, much like Disney afternoons did with my generation and the Disney channel did with my nephews generation, they just need some viral shows to do it.

 

[celluloid]

I’ve never even heard of most the shows my nephews kids watch (I feel old just typing that), most of what they watch is on YouTube, apps, streaming services, or other non traditional media.

This is where I think D+ is going to be crucial to Disneys “nostalgia” future, unfortunately the only show that’s really connected with them so far is Bluey and some early Pixar stuff, D+ is the perfect venue to create nostalgia, much like Disney afternoons did with my generation and the Disney channel did with my nephews generation, they just need some viral shows to do it.

This is true, with with the Disney Afternoon and Disney Channel spinoff comparison you notice that Netflix and DreamWorks really did that with all of their series that Disney Plus has not quite done yet.