Union asks Disney to increase worker pay

[wannab@dis]

I am getting into this again... Wannabe: Do you want pay increases so you can continue living comfortably?? Speck, what about you?? ANYONE on this board want their pay increased?? Who wouldn't want a raise??? So, you are all saying the CMs don't deserve a raise... Why not?? Because they are only pushing a button on Dumbo???? Well, if that CM wasn't pushing that button, then you wouldn't be riding.. heck, if all 50,000 CMs walked out right now, you wouldn't be able to enjoy Disney World.... So, sit back and think that these CMs have to deal with ignorant fools every day... They are college kids working their way through school.. They are moms and dads trying to put food on the table for their children...

You say anyone can better themselves?? Ok sure... Try finding a decent paying job in Orlando... not many if any at all exist... You advocate moving maybe to another state?? You do realize that it isn't easy to pick up and relocate like that... And well, it does take MONEY to move... Something I am sure most CMs do not have a lot of at 7 bucks an hour...

Tell you what... learn how to read and then come back and I'll reply to you. You'll find the answers to all your questions in the thread.

 

[wannab@dis]

After reading most of this thread there are some cast members out there who know the tough, demanding and rewarding jobs that we have. But we as cast members get no where, in pay, close to what we should be receiving. My first college program was in 2003, when hourly pay was only 6/hour.

I had it tough when I had my first (non after school) UNSKILLED job at 4.75/hr. Of course I hoped for a raise. But I didn't need some union to cause trouble so that I and everyone else at the company would get raises. That's the last thing I would want. I worked hard and earned my raise and I earned more than many around me that didn't deserve it because they didn't work as hard or strive for excellence.

 

[wannab@dis]

Well there are different unions, and not everyone is a member of the same union, and you would know this if you researched the topic you are so much against.

Where did you get the 50,000 memeber number to justify your 21 million? Also union memebership is not a requirement of my employment, a choice I have made. I did not start at this salary, but my union dues were the same. How much Do attorneys cost where you live?? I'm willing to bet you could suck up that $400 in a couple of hours of legal representation.

I apologize to TAC if he was offended. May he roll many happy miles in his Black Dodge Magnum 4x4!! Which was probably built by non Union Mexican workers.... Which cost the same as ones built by Union workers so lets blame them for the high cost, not the money grubbing stock holders or mis-managed corporations. Hey maybe Disney can import them mexicans to be cm's. They could have a magical express bus pick them up in El Paso for WDW every morning . Hey what about Tijuana for DLR. Look at the bottom line they could have next year.....I guess this is where we agree to disagree.

Wow got sucked in again!!! Have a great day ALL!!!

That last part seems a little insensitive. But, in any event... there may be a reason some corporations are looking to other places to fill jobs. In fact, there's ONE primary reason.

But, to answer your questions... I have enough knowledge about the subject and don't need to research it further for this debate. I didn't just pick 50,000 out of the air... it does have significance.

 

[wannab@dis]

The same could be said about management, and if you read a post above you will see there are ways around this.

I feel honored that you replied to so many of my posts. :king:

Got an idea... show me a list of executives, their pay, and the reason that it's not justified. One more point on this subject... what are you willing to bet that all the executives didn't receive across the board raises? :wave:

 

[GothMickey]

Tell you what... learn how to read and then come back and I'll reply to you. You'll find the answers to all your questions in the thread.

Do you really think you are better than everyone else that you need to try to put them down? You trying to say I cannot read??? I read just fine thank you... But, then again, I shouldn't expect anything of substance from you.. After all, you think CMs are BELOW you....

 

[wdwmagic]

Please can we put a halt to the arguing. Thanks.

 

[wannab@dis]

Do you really think you are better than everyone else that you need to try to put them down? You trying to say I cannot read??? I read just fine thank you... But, then again, I shouldn't expect anything of substance from you.. After all, you think CMs are BELOW you....

I apologize to you (and also to Steve) for my reply to you. It wasn't the right way to answer your post.

However, the point I wanted to make is still valid. Your assertions that I don't think CMs deserve a raise is entirely wrong. I want DESERVING CMs to receive raises based on merit and based on the job market. If you had read ALL my posts in this thread in context, that should have been apparent.

 

[wannab@dis]

Please can we put a halt to the arguing. Thanks.

My apologies to you and everyone reading/posting in this thread.

I wanted the thread to remain civil, but failed to constrain my emotions when my position was misrepresented by another poster.

 

[Captain Chaos]

Thanks Steve for coming in and putting a stop to the fighting... Management should fnd out exactly what makes the CMs unhappy.. Where I work, we were down righ told NO RAISES.. and we are extremely profitable... Now, we have a choice, leave and get a better paying job (if you can find one) or stay, deal with no raise and find it hard to live... I am looking for a new job, but cannot seem to find one. Companies are always looking out for the bottom line.. Looking out for their profits to make the stock price go up.. they feel they owe more to their shareholders than to their employees.. But a happy employee is a better employee.. A raise would make us all happy.. We aren't getting one, so morale is DOWN... I sense that is the problem with Disney CMs as well.. Work long hours, deal with the public, get low pay.. Morale decreases, they aren't happy, therefore they do minimal work to get by...

What is the solution? Not to fire the CMs they have now because they cannot seem to get help... So, why not give them a little raise and tell them they will get a raise yearly based on MERIT?? Maybe this will light a fire up under their butts... I know, when we were getting raisies and bonuses, it was based on MERIT not how long you been here... We busted our butts and were rewarded.. But now, we have no raises coming and no insentive to bust our butts... We do barely enough to get by, and that is all we plan on doing until we are shown some love LOL

 

[GothMickey]

I apologize to you (and also to Steve) for my reply to you. It wasn't the right way to answer your post.

However, the point I wanted to make is still valid. Your assertions that I don't think CMs deserve a raise is entirely wrong. I want DESERVING CMs to receive raises based on merit and based on the job market. If you had read ALL my posts in this thread in context, that should have been apparent.

Apology accepted.. Let me extend an apology to you as well... If I misquoted you, I am sorry... And if my posts annoyed other members, I apologize to you all as well...

 

[GothMickey]

What is the solution? Not to fire the CMs they have now because they cannot seem to get help... So, why not give them a little raise and tell them they will get a raise yearly based on MERIT?? Maybe this will light a fire up under their butts... I know, when we were getting raisies and bonuses, it was based on MERIT not how long you been here... We busted our butts and were rewarded.. But now, we have no raises coming and no insentive to bust our butts... We do barely enough to get by, and that is all we plan on doing until we are shown some love LOL

How about giving every CM a raise of 50 cents across the board?? For deserving CMs, those who go above and beyond to help create and sustain the magic, they get more of a raise...

 

[speck76]

Thanks Steve for coming in and putting a stop to the fighting... Management should fnd out exactly what makes the CMs unhappy.. Where I work, we were down righ told NO RAISES.. and we are extremely profitable... Now, we have a choice, leave and get a better paying job (if you can find one) or stay, deal with no raise and find it hard to live... I am looking for a new job, but cannot seem to find one. Companies are always looking out for the bottom line.. Looking out for their profits to make the stock price go up.. they feel they owe more to their shareholders than to their employees.. But a happy employee is a better employee.. A raise would make us all happy.. We aren't getting one, so morale is DOWN... I sense that is the problem with Disney CMs as well.. Work long hours, deal with the public, get low pay.. Morale decreases, they aren't happy, therefore they do minimal work to get by...

What is the solution? Not to fire the CMs they have now because they cannot seem to get help... So, why not give them a little raise and tell them they will get a raise yearly based on MERIT?? Maybe this will light a fire up under their butts... I know, when we were getting raisies and bonuses, it was based on MERIT not how long you been here... We busted our butts and were rewarded.. But now, we have no raises coming and no insentive to bust our butts... We do barely enough to get by, and that is all we plan on doing until we are shown some love LOL

I am all for merit increases....but industry as a whole is phasing them out....it seems to be more of a reality that pay and performance are two seperate things....in my company, at least here in Orlando, all hourly workers get a review and an increase, but the two are not tied together.....

Unfortunately, when they are tied together is when trouble happens, as the bad employees that do not get the raise that the good employees get make more trouble than if you just give them the money in the first place.....and the good employees typically are not hourly for long, as they move up.

It is not as easy to get rid of an employee as the pro-union people would have you believe.

 

[Christi22222]

what a mess

Wow, I'm not sure this is as much a Disney issue as a society issue. I read many, but not all, of the pages on this topic. A couple of issues leapt out at me that say a lot about our society and the issues we confront:

The college program member who said his generation basically doesn't take crap and will be in a bad mood or have a bad attitude if they feel justified: That really offends me. There are tons of recourses in this society to right wrongs, but yes, life is often unfair. The fact that this particular generation feels that they should never have to endure hardship or unfairness concerns me about their futures. No matter how you feel on the subject, does anyone think they can reasonably avoid unfairness or bad luck their whole life and should have complete rights to behave badly when they face such circumstances? Yikes.

Also, the debate over living wages and high paid execs and shareholder value: I know better than to get into a political discussion on this board, but this is a large over-reaching issue that goes far beyond Disney. There were some great points made about buying cheap at Wal-mart but believing that everyone should make fabulous middle class wages. Each one of us has a responsibility to think about these things and realize we do have an impact. Every time you vote on local and national issues, there is often a big business impact/involvement. Think about this. Don't just take the easy way out and vote based on a hot button issue that both parties drag out to distract you from the real issues. And think about where you shop and why. We all make a statement by going to Disney already. We CHOOSE to pay more for a high quality experience. We can ride rides at any old local six flags, but it isn't the same. Make those same choices every day. Don't let it be a habit. Some folks don't find the value in Disney, and that is okay. Just make sure you actively make the choices you are living in this society.

Okay, I am so stepping down from my soap box. I'm sorry to be preachy, especially since I'm a relative newcomer. But this is definitely an emotional topic since it is becoming such a big issue in all of American Society and the problems we face. Wow, and I usually come here for lighthearted chat and news.

 

[speck76]

How about giving every CM a raise of 50 cents across the board?? For deserving CMs, those who go above and beyond to help create and sustain the magic, they get more of a raise...

I think you need to look at WHO is making $6.80 per hour in the first place....not every starting wage is $6.80.....so....do you only raise those that make $6.80 (backstage custodial....people of that nature) or do you also give the raise to those that are making $16+/hr......

where is the cut-off?

 

[AEfx]

EVERYBODY has the ability to improve their situation....

Right, but you understand that if everyone got some super-important job like you would like us to believe you have (whatever it is, it must be life-savingly impressive for you to be so arrogant about other people and how they earn their living and to have expressed ad nausem in this thread how much responsibility you have), then there would be no one to do those other jobs?

You love statistiscs - you realize that via statistics it's impossible for everyone to be a manager, in charge, etc.? That's something people with the "lower income people just don't work hard enough!" misconception fail to understand. If everyone became upwardly mobile society would fail to function.

Just because someone has to work these types of jobs does not mean that they do not deserve a decent wage. No one is saying a janitor should be making 250K/year. However, he should make more than he'd make pan-handling tourists on the street. This is especially true at WDW, where we expect so much "magic" that we wouldn't expect from similarly stationed/compensated workers at any other workplace in the world.

AEfx

 

[Captain Chaos]

I am all for merit increases....but industry as a whole is phasing them out....it seems to be more of a reality that pay and performance are two seperate things....in my company, at least here in Orlando, all hourly workers get a review and an increase, but the two are not tied together.....

Unfortunately, when they are tied together is when trouble happens, as the bad employees that do not get the raise that the good employees get make more trouble than if you just give them the money in the first place.....and the good employees typically are not hourly for long, as they move up.

It is not as easy to get rid of an employee as the pro-union people would have you believe.

We used to get a quarterly review. And a yearly raise and bonus. Like I said, this year, under ownership of a new company, we are NOT getting a raise. Our raises were based on performance and currently salary. If we were at the high end of the salary limit for an associate, our raise was minimal as compared to someone on the lower end of the pay scale. This never sat well with me because, since I was always at the higher end, my raises were minimal. I would always bust my butt, and felt no reward in my raise.. There was someone in the lower bracket that would get lasrger raises than me and he did NOTHING... he screwed up all the time, but short of killing someone, the company was afraid to fire anyone... Did he deserve the bigger raise? Nope... But he always got it.. HOWEVER, when bonuses were given, I was always recieving the bigger bonus than he did.. So, it did work itself out I guess.

 

[speck76]

Right, but you understand that if everyone got some super-important job like you would like us to believe you have (whatever it is, it must be life-savingly impressive for you to be so arrogant about other people and how they earn their living and to have expressed ad nausem in this thread how much responsibility you have), then there would be no one to do those other jobs?

You love statistiscs - you realize that via statistics it's impossible for everyone to be a manager, in charge, etc.? That's something people with the "lower income people just don't work hard enough!" misconception fail to understand. If everyone became upwardly mobile society would fail to function.

Just because someone has to work these types of jobs does not mean that they do not deserve a decent wage. No one is saying a janitor should be making 250K/year. However, he should make more than he'd make pan-handling tourists on the street. This is especially true at WDW, where we expect so much "magic" that we wouldn't expect from similarly stationed/compensated workers at any other workplace in the world.

AEfx

Yes...the world needs ditch-diggers too....and they need to be paid like ditch-diggers.

Just as not everyone can be management, not everyone can be paid a good wage.....every dollar a ditch-digger's pay is raised, a manager's pay needs be raised also, as there needs to be a clear separation between the two, or companies could never attract people to take the high-repsonsibility management positions.

 

[speck76]

We used to get a quarterly review. And a yearly raise and bonus. Like I said, this year, under ownership of a new company, we are NOT getting a raise. Our raises were based on performance and currently salary. If we were at the high end of the salary limit for an associate, our raise was minimal as compared to someone on the lower end of the pay scale. This never sat well with me because, since I was always at the higher end, my raises were minimal. I would always bust my butt, and felt no reward in my raise.. There was someone in the lower bracket that would get lasrger raises than me and he did NOTHING... he screwed up all the time, but short of killing someone, the company was afraid to fire anyone... Did he deserve the bigger raise? Nope... But he always got it.. HOWEVER, when bonuses were given, I was always recieving the bigger bonus than he did.. So, it did work itself out I guess.

have you ever noticed that someone who is a crappy worker, and then does something really good, or performs well over a short period of time, gets major attention...yet those that perform well on a daily basis usually get shafted......

 

[Captain Chaos]

have you ever noticed that someone who is a crappy worker, and then does something really good, or performs well over a short period of time, gets major attention...yet those that perform well on a daily basis usually get shafted......

Unfortunetly, Yes... way too many times... And what really annoys me is this.. Recently, I have been the person who gets tossed around cleaning up every other person's mess.. Example: Someone in my department made a huge mess of his work.. What happened?? He wasn't fired or reprimanded.. I was pulled off my work and given his to clean.. And what does he do? he sits there, flirts with the girls in work, talks on the phone on personal calls, and does minimal work, while I had to clean his mess up... So, I know exactly what you are talking about... And to think I am doing this WITHOUT getting any raise or bonus this year...

 

[TAC]

And watch, he will get promoted. Why? Because your boss doesn't want him. So he gets pawned off to someone else. You, on the other hand, are too valuable to let go to a different department.

I've seen it happen, and I have been in your situation.

Unfortunetly, Yes... way too many times... And what really annoys me is this.. Recently, I have been the person who gets tossed around cleaning up every other person's mess.. Example: Someone in my department made a huge mess of his work.. What happened?? He wasn't fired or reprimanded.. I was pulled off my work and given his to clean.. And what does he do? he sits there, flirts with the girls in work, talks on the phone on personal calls, and does minimal work, while I had to clean his mess up... So, I know exactly what you are talking about... And to think I am doing this WITHOUT getting any raise or bonus this year...