WDW-LUVR
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Two tourists abducted, robbed after leaving Downtown Disney
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Too many entrances.
Bag checks are simply an illusion of security. They don't actually provide it.
The first thing to come back to Downtown Disney, should they see this as a major problem, is the practice of ticketing upon the entrance to the PI area at night, instead of at the different clubs.
pescador1f
Member
stop going!!! barely worth it
seems like 10+ years ago that area was more closed off, lately seems like it is wide open for anybody off the street to wander around. after some annoying scumbag was trying to buy or sell weed from me at bongos cuban cafe, i stopped going. area sucks now and one of the best things about a disney vacation is to not be in "the public" , it is supposed to be an escape, not like home!!!! only reason i went last trip was to see raglan road, went around 12 and it was closed, never going back.
seems like 10+ years ago that area was more closed off, lately seems like it is wide open for anybody off the street to wander around. after some annoying scumbag was trying to buy or sell weed from me at bongos cuban cafe, i stopped going. area sucks now and one of the best things about a disney vacation is to not be in "the public" , it is supposed to be an escape, not like home!!!! only reason i went last trip was to see raglan road, went around 12 and it was closed, never going back.
Bingo. Just like the TSA at the airports, the checks provide an illusion of security to a paranoid public. If a person is determined enough, they can get anything through security... and with how "thoroughly" most Disney security CM's I've seen check bags, I'm surprised there hasn't been an incident in the parks already.
Disney is safe because people believe it is. Disney is also extremely easy to exploit. They have far too many gaps in security, an extremely low number of surveillance cameras dedicated to security and monitored by security, and an image to protect which sometimes means they will not cooperate with police.
JML42691
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fizzle75
New Member
I was born and raised in a teeny, tiny town in the mountains of Western North Carolina(if you blink while driving through, you'll miss it), and the most exciting things that happen around here are getting a new traffic light(yay, we're now a two traffic light town!)and our Subway just moved fifty feet down the road into a new building(it really is quite nice, you should come see it). Things like this are just unheard of where I live, at least right now anyway. My little town has changed drastically in my 32 years on the planet(especially in the last 10) but we still have managed to retain our "small town vibe". We are also a very popular tourist destination and over the years as the tourists have poured in they are slowly but surely bringing some of the "bad elements" with them...so, unfortunately, it probably won't be long until things like the kidnapping at Downtown Disney are a very real possibility here.
I guess this all helps to feed my sense of "insecurity" at Downtown Disney.
Disney MDACK
New Member
I think I'll just stick to visting DTD during the daylight.
the-reason14
Well-Known Member
This is very sad and doesnt sound to good for DTD and what they may do ther in the future.
That was not a well written article. They forgot to get the facts. Where were they when they were abducted? The article said after the leaving downtown Disney and on there way back to the hotel. Was their hotel in Disney or one of the hundred that surround Disney? :brick:
SteveUK
Member
Whilst I would not seek to minimise the seriousness of what was clearly an awful ordeal, I can't help thinking that the worry or sensationalism this is causing is an indication in itself of how safe WDW actually is.
Yes this is awful. But lets think for a moment about the number of people who inhabit and pass through WDW on a daily basis. Then take this in terms of a year and you will have a very big number. Then have a think about the crime rate and the number of incidents that actually occur. I work in law enforcement, and I can tell you that if my area had the same number of incidents per head of population, I would be absolutely delighted. I agree with the comments that visible security is essentially a superficial comforter for an insecure public, but still, the number of incidents in WDW when considering the number of people is still amazingly low. To hear people say they don't feel safe, and they would even let it cross their minds to question the decision whether to go to Downtown at night just makes me wonder that either people are extremely naive, or come from the most quiet, crime free areas in the world. I would like anybody to put their hand up who comes from a safer area than WDW; I am going to work there.
Yes this is awful. But lets think for a moment about the number of people who inhabit and pass through WDW on a daily basis. Then take this in terms of a year and you will have a very big number. Then have a think about the crime rate and the number of incidents that actually occur. I work in law enforcement, and I can tell you that if my area had the same number of incidents per head of population, I would be absolutely delighted. I agree with the comments that visible security is essentially a superficial comforter for an insecure public, but still, the number of incidents in WDW when considering the number of people is still amazingly low. To hear people say they don't feel safe, and they would even let it cross their minds to question the decision whether to go to Downtown at night just makes me wonder that either people are extremely naive, or come from the most quiet, crime free areas in the world. I would like anybody to put their hand up who comes from a safer area than WDW; I am going to work there.
unkadug
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wdwmomof3
Well-Known Member
That's the way I feel too but I have never been to PI. We go to DTD the day that we drive down just to kill some time and shop a little before we hit the parks the next day. We always have our children with us so PI is out for us.
On our next trip, my daughter has already asked if she and her friend could go to DTD at night without us, like this would ever happen because they are only 15 & 16. Thanks to this thread I have something to back me up.
I am sorry that this happened to this couple. This is the first time I have heard of anything bad like this happening there. Hopefully it will be the last.
EPCOT.nut
Well-Known Member
I won't walk down the streets/outside of the parks at at night unarmed. Luckily it is fairly easy to get a concealed-carry permit here in Florida...since I live here I just drive places at night and don't have to worry about walking. I know it is really sad to post here about feeling the need to carry a firearm while "playing" at Disney. Downtown Disney is just not the parks and doesn't feel secure to me. (I've only been there once, however).
Those folks are really lucky they weren't killed! Very sad story. Thanks for sharing and reminding people they need to look after themselves and their loved ones. Even at Disney.
Those folks are really lucky they weren't killed! Very sad story. Thanks for sharing and reminding people they need to look after themselves and their loved ones. Even at Disney.
WHAT?!?!!?
unkadug
Follower of "Saget"The Cult
sknydave
Active Member
If they hadn't of insisted on being in the front, they could have found one!
lol.. Well I've always said that but lately it seems there are no spots -- even in the back!
Computer Magic
Well-Known Member
I agree. I have not been comfortable leaving DTD after dark. Walking around the shops don't bother me. When we leave or at one time had to walk down the street on the outside DID because of construction, I'm very alert. Also going to the bus stops when they are empty, I find my self on guard. I don't feel that way in the parks or resorts. :shrug: