Two Spirited Quickees...Imagination closing

[Sam Magic]

And while we're at it, let's tear out the Haunted Mansion, Jungle Cruise, Pirates of the Caribbean, It's a Small World, Country Bears, the Tiki Room, the Peoplemover, Space Mountain, and everything else that started out in the parks.

Those have a ton of nostalgia connected to them too and it's not like any park-original characters are real Disney characters, just read Kingdom Keepers where the Country Bears and Small World dolls are just mindless robotic mooks for the Magic Hologram Disney Villains and the Disco Yeti is just a shell for the Chernabog Hologram monster to inhabit. do I hate those books.

Childern do not like Figment, it is the most unpopular attraction and long time fans like you scream and holler if he is removed. Barney is already the purple dinosaur we do not need Disney's pathetic vision of one.

 

[Yankee Mouse]

Horizons vs. MS, WoM vs.TT.....
I think the greater point missed is that Disney is content to replace attractions instead of expanding the parks, like Walt originally wanted. In his video introduction of the Florida Project he said we have enough room to expand for anything we can think of (paraphrased). We wouldn't be having this argument right now if they had kept/upgraded WoM, and Horizons, for families and added thrill rides to keep the turnstiles turning.

And OT but SSE used to be my favorite ride, I wouldn't say I hate it now, but I am very unhappy with the historical inaccuracies in the new version.

 

[Goofyernmost]

And OT but SSE used to be my favorite ride, I wouldn't say I hate it now, but I am very unhappy with the historical inaccuracies in the new version.

What??? Do you mean it wasn't the Phoenicians that invented the alphabet?

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

Childern do not like Figment, it is the most unpopular attraction and long time fans like you scream and holler if he is removed. Barney is already the purple dinosaur we do not need Disney's pathetic vision of one.

Complete and utter BS. It is an unpopular attraction because the ride itself sucks, the original version of Figment has nothing to do with that. Figment is a beloved icon and was once essentially EPCOT's mascot (I had a Figment plush when I was a little kid).

Figment is in the current version of the ride BECAUSE people love him. They closed the original Imagination ride in 1998 and reopened the ride the next year without the original characters. Among other issues (like the ride itself being terrible), Figment's absence was one of the complaints. They closed the ride down again in 2002 and Figment was returned (albeit with new obnoxious personality that he never had in the original ride).

Adults and kids alike loved the original incarnation of Figment. Fantastic character. Barney sucks in comparison (not even to mention he came long before Barney, originally conceived in 1987 while Imagination opened in 1983).

 

[Goofyernmost]

Childern do not like Figment, it is the most unpopular attraction and long time fans like you scream and holler if he is removed. Barney is already the purple dinosaur we do not need Disney's pathetic vision of one.

Figment was before Barney. Which one is the pathetic vision of one? Never mind...I already know!

 

[Sam Magic]

Complete and utter BS. It is an unpopular attraction because the ride itself sucks, the original version of Figment has nothing to do with that. Figment is a beloved icon and was once essentially EPCOT's mascot (I had a Figment plush when I was a little kid).

Figment is in the current version of the ride BECAUSE people love him. They closed the original Imagination ride in 1998 and reopened the ride the next year without the original characters. Among other issues (like the ride itself being terrible), Figment's absence was one of the complaints. They closed the ride down again in 2002 and Figment was returned (albeit with new obnoxious personality that he never had in the original ride).

Adults and kids alike loved the original incarnation of Figment. Fantastic character. Barney sucks in comparison.

I was kidding about Barney. Yet do you know hat you said? You said "(I had a Figment plush when I was a little kid)." When YOU were a kid. That may have been twenty years ago, kids today do not like Figment. I was never a fan of imagination even though I tried to like it. Then again it's because I was a kid at the end Eisner's reign of terror. I think that imagination should pull aspects from Phineas and Ferb (no characters just the theme) redesign Figment and make him something new that's appealing to kids, add an art lab, a design lab, an area for older kids such as a writing lab, and an acting lab. Make it a place where you go and create! After all isn't that what Imagineering does?

 

[Sam Magic]

Figment was before Barney. Which on is the pathetic vision of one? Never mind...I already know!

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

I was kidding about Barney. Yet do you know hat you said? You said "(I had a Figment plush when I was a little kid)." When YOU were a kid. That may have been twenty years ago, kids today do not like Figment. I was never a fan of imagination even though I tried to like it. Then again it's because I was a kid at the end Eisner's reign of terror. I think that imagination should pull aspects from Phineas and Ferb (no characters just the theme) redesign Figment and make him something new that's appealing to kids, add an art lab, a design lab, an area for older kids such as a writing lab, and an acting lab. Make it a place where you go and create! After all isn't that what Imagineering does?

The REASON I wanted a Figment plush as a kid was because the ride I experienced at the time was absolutely amazing (and had it been continually updated and plussed logically over the years instead of gutted and replaced, still would have been awesome). Not to mention Figment himself was cute and likable as a character. And that's quite an accomplishment considering Figment had no other form of media such as movies or TV shows to get people's attention. He relied purely on his ride to make people like him. Which I assure you most people did when riding the original ride.

It's harder to like a character when-
1- The current ride is horrible and almost no one likes or rides it (there's no other media to promote Figment outside of this ride like movies or TV shows)
2- They ruined his personality and made him obnoxious and unlikeable in the current ride (he's a different character outside of his design)

There's little to no one riding the current ride because it's terrible. That alone would negatively affect the character's popularity, but his personality has also been compromised and most of what was likable about him has been removed. Ruining the ride and the character have turned people away from Figment.

 

[Beholder]

"I'm not saying EPCOT Center was built by aliens,

but EPCOT Center was built by aliens."

That made my day! Spot on! Thanks, I needed that.

 

[CDavid]

kids today do not like Figment.

Source please? And your kids or personal observations are not valid indicators.

 

[Wikkler]

Childern do not like Figment, it is the most unpopular attraction and long time fans like you scream and holler if he is removed. Barney is already the purple dinosaur we do not need Disney's pathetic vision of one.

Obvious troll is obvious.

 

[Captain Neo]

Childern do not like Figment, it is the most unpopular attraction and long time fans like you scream and holler if he is removed. Barney is already the purple dinosaur we do not need Disney's pathetic vision of one.

You need to try harder

 

[Wikkler]

You're right though, Figment doesn't speak to the modern generation...

That's better.

 

[Cosmic Commando]

Hey, don't mess with my Ancient Aliens.

When I have a bad case of insomnia, I put it on (using amazon.com) and am out within 10 minutes.

I'm sure Ancient Aliens is a wonderful, worthwhile use of the electromagnetic spectrum. I'm just not sure it belongs on the History Channel, which I thought was for things that are... (what's that word I'm looking for?) true. I know it's old fashioned, but back when I had cable, the channel told you what was going to be on it just by the name. We had Court TV, not TruTV. We had the Sci-Fi Channel, not SyFy.

 

[FigmentJedi]

Figment's still a pretty well-liked park character all around, but the ride isn't up to the standards of the fans of the original and the ride is never advertised, ride's marked only with a banner that was probably printed at Kinkos, and as discussed before, the exterior flow of the pavilion was redesigned to send people to the Magic Eye theater rather then the ride. All of those factors are why the ride's always a walk-on.

 

[Clever Name]

Well, I don't know about the rest of you but I thank the Phoenicians most every day.

 

[Fairybuzz]

such a long reply to read. with that being said...sigh do i really need to reply to this? do you know how much typing i must do? =) massive amounts of typing. you mention thrill rides and dark rides however i think it just needs more rides...its so heavy on food and such due to world showcase i just want more things to do besides drink beer. and i like the energy adventure but thats only because of my favorite famous lesbian. the ride itself is quite dated....and i will gladly say burn it down....granted i am the same one that feels the same way about the JC because i don't let my childhood experiences cloud my judgement of rides. PS never rode horizons only TT and i love the refurb....i think epcot center...is like a true tomorrow land or should be...the tommorowland that reflects...such. As the MK is more of a classic what if tomorrow land.

but in all honesty all jokes aside future world is crippled without that awesome igloo...loved that place.
i enjoy what they did with the seaS..they really brought it into something we can connect (ride may be crap) but the area itself is much better now and i have yet to try turtle talk and youtube has me excited.

for the record im not advocating thrill this or that...i just want rides....slow,fast i don't care but i want emersive experiences. and i am sad that wonders of life is a giant bubble of convention space...and i am sad that the LWTL minus soaring looks like a 90s mall atrium....and i am sad that those damn memorials take up so much space...i odnt mind the idea but geez they are just so big and large....(what she said) and get in the way of everything.

as a summary i love Epcot but i want it to be better than it was yesterday and i want to say that same phrase tomorrow.

Lol sorry about that I give investigative reporter length replies.

Lol I do like Ellen being well half lesbian myself shes a cool idol. But The ride is so 90s.

I do agree they have enough shows and stuff and out of all the world showcase pavillions only two have actual rides. Germany woulda had one but it was scrapped. They also thought of putting in the matterhorn but The Swiss pavillion was scrapped. i'd like to see a few more over there.

I like turtle talk but the ride is so lame. Just plasma tvs. I dont get why they think thats unique. The seabase is also so generic with like kids drawings on it. There are like sciency looking structures with no theming purpose. If they were going to ditch the future feel they shoulda covered it on coral looking things and undersea flora.

I like the new test track alot actually. The build your own car is fun and educational. You can learn about Aerodynamics and car design. And gasp! its actually futuristic!! In fact I now actually like the show building better than the lap at the end, which I practically did on Epcot Center Drive on the way there.

Yeah poor wonders. I always thought that place embodied an epcot feel. So much to do in there the music was beautiful and the mobiles were fanciful. it felt organic like a cell membrane. And it felt immensely clean.

What I like about the land is the building to me is very pretty. You go in your not just waiting in a concrete blazing hot queue. They have nice restaurants, Soarin has a cool airport, Livin itself feels so magical being there Its like going to a mall and finding a disney level dark ride. If only my crumby mall here had stuff like that. Sure they could smooth it out a bit but Do not remove my balloons!!! I love that puffy sky feeling. I even dream about this pavillion sometimes. I guess its just a matter of taste but I actually think 90s malls look pretty lol! Better than those exposed piping 2000s garbage we have today. Factory Chic ewww!!! *gag* I like bright light shining in beautiful peaceful tranquil but air conditioned areas where I can wander and explore all they have. I miss the fountain though. Loud and noisy gives me a headache and makes me think Am I in a disney pavillion or had I wandered backstage?

Anyway thanks for the nice response it was well thought out and intelligent.

 

[Captain Neo]

Epcot's Energy pavillion is like ten years overdue for a refurb

 

[Fairybuzz]

Please tell me where your local science museum is which features rides about communications, future living, transportation, and energy on the epic scale once presented in Epcot, because I'd really like to come ride them. I'm also not aware of any "learn only types of attractions" in Epcot Center. The whole point was an utterly enjoyable, fascinating exploration of seemingly mundane subjects which were so enjoyable and emotionally thrilling you didn't realize you were learning. There is a saying that learning can be fun, and it is very true, even if usually it isn't. But it is also why the original Epcot was so awe inspiring.

Of course, nobody outside Disney has ever done anything remotely like the Future World that we once knew, and millions of guests eagerly bought tickets and lined up. Probably wasn't a thrill freaks favorite park, but it never will be. While it is desirable to have something for everyone, it need not have destroyed the character and foundation upon which the park was built. To call Epcot "a very expensive science museum" is like calling the Magic Kingdom a (permanent) roadside carnival.

Further, theme park attractions - at least in Disney parks - should not (and mostly don't) revolve around the ride experience itself. It isn't that there is a place for storytelling - but rather that the story (not necessarily storyline) is central to the attraction experience; The ride is merely the vehicle used to convey guests through the story or experience.

The greatest crime committed by Mission:Space, however, was that it largely omits the grandeur and awe inspiring experience of space and instead presents the physical sensations of spaceflight that make you want to puke. This was previously, if crudely, done by Mission to Mars and Space Mountain - physical ride experiences (not theme or indoor setting) not radically different from roller coasters around the world.

True. The closest I've seen is the Hayden Planetarium in my home town of New York. its a big planetarium with some mission space looking models on the ground and air. It's very well done for a museum but is no Epcot.

What Six flags never got about the THEME part of the theme park is that painting a ride black (or worse bright yellow) does not make a batman ride. They actually used to be better with entertainment and more theming per ride. Batman the ride at Great Adventure lost pieces of its theming one by one first the cop car then the paintings then the billboards etc. Then we have rides like Batwing which is just a yellow coaster over a clean (totally ungotham like) field with some plywood cutouts of the chars. The park focuses nothing on the theming but the sponsor ads are like holy artifacts. AND NO MORE RAP MUSIC IN THE 1950s AREA!!!! IT WASNT INVENTED YET! SIlly.

Anywho, MS coulda been so much better even as a thrill ride. it relies on a very cheap effect tbh. Without an obviously low budget 3-d graphical video the ride would fall apart. Its kinda how I feel about movies today. it was better when they took the time to hand craft everything from space to ships to explosions. Now that its all 3-D its not impressive at all. (sorry lol no offense intended graphics guys I know its hard work). But It loses something it loses that feeling that its actually there. When I was in horizons I knew in my head EVERYTHING I'm seeing in those space scenes has to exist somehow, in this limited space. The limited has become the unlimited. Kinda like a holodeck on star trek. It's there you're there you're part of it no screen between you and the story your IN it.

 

[BryceM]

True. The closest I've seen is the Hayden Planetarium in my home town of New York. its a big planetarium with some mission space looking models on the ground and air. It's very well done for a museum but is no Epcot.

What Six flags never got about the THEME part of the theme park is that painting a ride black (or worse bright yellow) does not make a batman ride. They actually used to be better with entertainment and more theming per ride. Batman the ride at Great Adventure lost pieces of its theming one by one first the cop car then the paintings then the billboards etc. Then we have rides like Batwing which is just a yellow coaster over a clean (totally ungotham like) field with some plywood cutouts of the chars. The park focuses nothing on the theming but the sponsor ads are like holy artifacts. AND NO MORE RAP MUSIC IN THE 1950s AREA!!!! IT WASNT INVENTED YET! SIlly.

Anywho, MS coulda been so much better even as a thrill ride. it relies on a very cheap effect tbh. Without an obviously low budget 3-d graphical video the ride would fall apart. Its kinda how I feel about movies today. it was better when they took the time to hand craft everything from space to ships to explosions. Now that its all 3-D its not impressive at all. (sorry lol no offense intended graphics guys I know its hard work). But It loses something it loses that feeling that its actually there. When I was in horizons I knew in my head EVERYTHING I'm seeing in those space scenes has to exist somehow, in this limited space. The limited has become the unlimited. Kinda like a holodeck on star trek. It's there you're there you're part of it no screen between you and the story your IN it.

Six Flags is NOT a theme park.