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Turnstile/Entrance Construction at all 4 parks
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tirian
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Don't worry; they're not going to remove the flower bed. It's too much of a Disney icon.
Now, where will the new turnstiles go? Good question. Maybe Disney will redirect guests to an unused part of their utilidors, where they used to keep the secret US nuclear stash but decided to move them to Epcot and use their energy in Illuminations. Or Disney may line guest up around the flower bed and take polls as guests stand in line, finding out who really does like (or dislike) SGE, the meet-and-greet inside the Golden Horseshoe, the arm/wand on SSE, and even Eisner himself. Then as guests wrap around the biometric scanner, where they think they are having their bones measured but are really providing ID info for the government, a tired CM can assure guests that Disney won't take revenge for disagreeing with the company's latest actions. And just when guests believe it...WHAM!--they grab the guests, rush to Tomorrowland, and force them to watch SGE five times in a row.
Or not.
Now, where will the new turnstiles go? Good question. Maybe Disney will redirect guests to an unused part of their utilidors, where they used to keep the secret US nuclear stash but decided to move them to Epcot and use their energy in Illuminations. Or Disney may line guest up around the flower bed and take polls as guests stand in line, finding out who really does like (or dislike) SGE, the meet-and-greet inside the Golden Horseshoe, the arm/wand on SSE, and even Eisner himself. Then as guests wrap around the biometric scanner, where they think they are having their bones measured but are really providing ID info for the government, a tired CM can assure guests that Disney won't take revenge for disagreeing with the company's latest actions. And just when guests believe it...WHAM!--they grab the guests, rush to Tomorrowland, and force them to watch SGE five times in a row.
Or not.
tirian
Well-Known Member
By the way, Six Flags does have metal detectors at their entrances. In some cases, they're glaringly obvious; in others, the metal detectors are hidden in the front gates, and you don't realize you've passed them until you do. Either way, the practice does make you experience a weird combination of safety/prison ward/cheap way out. (But hey, it's not supposed to be Disney, anyway).
Disney's security measures are already world-class, and I hope they aren't going to destroy their parks' exteriors for some new turnstiles and security checks. And yes, I know that a biometric scanner doesn't really give info to the government.
Or does it? :lookaroun
Disney's security measures are already world-class, and I hope they aren't going to destroy their parks' exteriors for some new turnstiles and security checks. And yes, I know that a biometric scanner doesn't really give info to the government.
Or does it? :lookaroun
Kevin
New Member
niteobsrvr said:
I've actually never waited more than a few minutes at any of the Florida parks. I know it can be frustrating waiting for someone to figure out how to insert their ticket, etc. but it generally goes pretty smoothly. The waits are nothing like they are in California. The lines were always incredibly long going back and forth between parks at DL/DCA on my last trip. There were always only a few lanes open and had 50+ guests in line never fail. Part of the problem was that every person in California needs CM interaction. In Florida, if you can find an open lane, you can serve yourself with no CM interaction. One CM can monitor several turnstyles.
Pixie Duster
New Member
The Mickey Floral design will stay, THAT is the icon, not the flower bed that is being reduced in order to make way for more turnstiles.
Now handstamps are used as a back-up method. They are used in case your ticket is messed up, if the turnstiles mess up, or if there is something questionable about the ticket usage behavior. You will not see all handstamps being checked, unless something goes wrong with all of the turnstiles.
The biometerics is a necessary evil. The fact is something has to be used as an identity checked and a picture ID is silly now a days. All it takes for the biometric scanner to work is PATIENCE, both from you the guest and the cast members
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Anytime a new process is introduced, such as fastpass, biometrics, or the new automated ticket machine there is a learning curve which will take a few years to reduce. There will always be people who will have issues, but if it seems the majority of folks will be benefited we are gonna go with it.
I trust that my beloved workplace will be prepared for the changes.
Now handstamps are used as a back-up method. They are used in case your ticket is messed up, if the turnstiles mess up, or if there is something questionable about the ticket usage behavior. You will not see all handstamps being checked, unless something goes wrong with all of the turnstiles.
The biometerics is a necessary evil. The fact is something has to be used as an identity checked and a picture ID is silly now a days. All it takes for the biometric scanner to work is PATIENCE, both from you the guest and the cast members
.Anytime a new process is introduced, such as fastpass, biometrics, or the new automated ticket machine there is a learning curve which will take a few years to reduce. There will always be people who will have issues, but if it seems the majority of folks will be benefited we are gonna go with it.
I trust that my beloved workplace will be prepared for the changes.
PhotoDave219
Well-Known Member
Ive never had a problem with a biomatric scanner. You lie the fingers flat, slide them in all the way and squeeze gently to make all the red lights go out.
The main problem will be that everyone will mix up their tickets; the 10 day PH's from eurpoe do it all the time.
The main problem will be that everyone will mix up their tickets; the 10 day PH's from eurpoe do it all the time.
PhilharMagician
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niteobsrvr said:It doesnt really matter how the scanner or Biometric device works. :brick: The one thing I know for sure is it slows people down because they dont line up their fingers just so and a lot fo cm's at the turnstiles appear to hit the over ride button anyway just to get things moving again.
This happened to us last week. We entered the park and the security person kept hitting the override button for all of us. Later in the park we tried to get FP's for Indy and none of our AP's worked. I asked a CM there and he said that I have to go to guest relations and have new passes issued, then he gave us 3 passes. We finally got to guest relations on the way out of the park and they scanned our passes. They said our passes were good, but we were never shown to be in the park at all that day??
Some good system there!!!!!
WDW scanners are of an old generation, which makes them a little more difficult for the typical tourist to handle (I am not sure why, it is not rocket science)....SeaWorld uses a newer generation scanner in which you place your entire hand....it seems to have less problems.
SeaWorld scanners (scroll down)
BTW....the link is to some radical group that believes we are living in a police state and that these scanners are going to end the world......people are SO stupid.
SeaWorld scanners (scroll down)
BTW....the link is to some radical group that believes we are living in a police state and that these scanners are going to end the world......people are SO stupid.
diddy_mouse
Well-Known Member
heh heh...this proves how stupid i was...for the longest time i had no idea what the finger scan thing was at the turnstlies. :lookaroun i was thinking: "hmm...wonder what i need to use that thing." heehee...silly me :hammer:
TownSquareSteve
New Member
From a turnstyle cast member
All right it has been awile since I have posted but I see way too mant inconsistancies to let this this go on. I worked at the turnstyles at MK for College Program and can tell you anything you need to know about those bloody turnstyles. First, the biometrics does just take a scan of the length and width of your fingers. THe biometrics will be used ONLY for the European 10 day passes, cast member ID's, Annual passes and possibly WDW resort keys that have not only the park tickets on them, but have charging privledges as well (this last part was something that was being talked about while I was down there to help decrease Identity theft. The reason they use biometrics is that it actually is probably the only way to guarantee that the guests will have the ability to prove who they are. Too many guests would probably not bring ID into the park and how would you identify them them. And plus people too easily can duplicate drivers licences and credit cards what would stop them from duplicating WDW annual passes, the biometrics are just one deterent to help keep the right ID in the right hands. However the system is far from perfect as I learned. After years of constant squeezing, the biometric machines become, well broken and are VERY expensive to repair. That is why if anyone has a annual pass, Disney ID, etc and the cast member just lets you go through even with out having your fingers scanned, you should go to guest relations just to make sure that your pass was activated for the day. Biometrics are a pin in the butt and I can promise you that they will not be used on all tickets. The disney ticketing system will will continue to get better, but it just takes time. People have said why don't they have scanners just like other parks well actually the magnetic strip is the best way to go becuase you can store so much more information on there (i.e credit card codes, what time the people last visited, what park they visited last, etc) and you really can't do that with just plain old laser bar code scanners. Also the magnetic strip is actually more durable, (surprising i know) if anything gets on the bar code it will be ruined, the magnetic strip can take a lot of punishment and still work (i had people come from Typhoon with wet tickets that still worked in the machines). The ticket machines are actually pretty advanced its just people who don't understand how to use them that take the time. Most comman mistakes I saw, jamming more then one ticket in at a time, jamming Sea world or other tickets into machine, putting destroyed tickets into the machine, and my favorite, missing the orange slot and yet still jamming the ticket into the machine just not into the slot. Anymore questions on biometrics just ask.
As for hand stamps, they are a back up system, that is all. They are used for backup for two reasons. All tickets are designed to have a security function on them that will not allow people people to reenter the park before a certain time period (i think it was 35min). What this does is try to stop people from handing their tickets to someone on the other side of the fence to get in for free (passback tickets). Heres an example, if you went to MK, went through the line, inserted you ticket and went inside, but decide to go back out real quick and then come back in with the 35 min range, the turnstyle would give you a big X and say the ticket was recently used, at that point the Cm should ask to see your handstamp to prove that you were in fact in the park recently. The other reason as stated in a previous post was if the machines do go down (which happens more then Disney would like to admit) they will allow people with hand stamps back into the park while others have to wait for a few minutes while the computers reboot. The only people who don't need a handstamp are those people with annual passes and cast members, everyone else should get one especially if you get into one park and decide to go to another park real quick. I know though that most people don't and it really won't matter, but take it from someone who had to hear the yelling and screaming from guests who had to wait for 10 min to get back in the park while the turnstyles reset, just get the handstamp, its magic anyways.
And last but not least, the issue of the metal detectors. This is going to happen but when it does you likely won't even know you passed through one. The reason they are not there yet is, like previous posts have said, they are not off the design board yet. When they do finally come to be, they will be so well disguised that you will probably not even know you passed through one unless you set it off. Don't think airport metal detectors, think something totally new. I for one am glad they will do this, not that I am scared of terrorists but I saw how many weapons security found in bags with minimal searching, i know that there are alot more in the parks that were never found and up to this point luckily haven't been a problem. When they finally do happen, Disneyland will get it first, since they actually have some gang problems there everyonce in a while, but WDW will have them at some point.
Alright that is it, sorry so long, just wanted to let everyone know what i know so you can realize what the CM's at the front have to deal with day in day out. Any questions just post!!!
Steve
All right it has been awile since I have posted but I see way too mant inconsistancies to let this this go on. I worked at the turnstyles at MK for College Program and can tell you anything you need to know about those bloody turnstyles. First, the biometrics does just take a scan of the length and width of your fingers. THe biometrics will be used ONLY for the European 10 day passes, cast member ID's, Annual passes and possibly WDW resort keys that have not only the park tickets on them, but have charging privledges as well (this last part was something that was being talked about while I was down there to help decrease Identity theft. The reason they use biometrics is that it actually is probably the only way to guarantee that the guests will have the ability to prove who they are. Too many guests would probably not bring ID into the park and how would you identify them them. And plus people too easily can duplicate drivers licences and credit cards what would stop them from duplicating WDW annual passes, the biometrics are just one deterent to help keep the right ID in the right hands. However the system is far from perfect as I learned. After years of constant squeezing, the biometric machines become, well broken and are VERY expensive to repair. That is why if anyone has a annual pass, Disney ID, etc and the cast member just lets you go through even with out having your fingers scanned, you should go to guest relations just to make sure that your pass was activated for the day. Biometrics are a pin in the butt and I can promise you that they will not be used on all tickets. The disney ticketing system will will continue to get better, but it just takes time. People have said why don't they have scanners just like other parks well actually the magnetic strip is the best way to go becuase you can store so much more information on there (i.e credit card codes, what time the people last visited, what park they visited last, etc) and you really can't do that with just plain old laser bar code scanners. Also the magnetic strip is actually more durable, (surprising i know) if anything gets on the bar code it will be ruined, the magnetic strip can take a lot of punishment and still work (i had people come from Typhoon with wet tickets that still worked in the machines). The ticket machines are actually pretty advanced its just people who don't understand how to use them that take the time. Most comman mistakes I saw, jamming more then one ticket in at a time, jamming Sea world or other tickets into machine, putting destroyed tickets into the machine, and my favorite, missing the orange slot and yet still jamming the ticket into the machine just not into the slot. Anymore questions on biometrics just ask.
As for hand stamps, they are a back up system, that is all. They are used for backup for two reasons. All tickets are designed to have a security function on them that will not allow people people to reenter the park before a certain time period (i think it was 35min). What this does is try to stop people from handing their tickets to someone on the other side of the fence to get in for free (passback tickets). Heres an example, if you went to MK, went through the line, inserted you ticket and went inside, but decide to go back out real quick and then come back in with the 35 min range, the turnstyle would give you a big X and say the ticket was recently used, at that point the Cm should ask to see your handstamp to prove that you were in fact in the park recently. The other reason as stated in a previous post was if the machines do go down (which happens more then Disney would like to admit) they will allow people with hand stamps back into the park while others have to wait for a few minutes while the computers reboot. The only people who don't need a handstamp are those people with annual passes and cast members, everyone else should get one especially if you get into one park and decide to go to another park real quick. I know though that most people don't and it really won't matter, but take it from someone who had to hear the yelling and screaming from guests who had to wait for 10 min to get back in the park while the turnstyles reset, just get the handstamp, its magic anyways.
And last but not least, the issue of the metal detectors. This is going to happen but when it does you likely won't even know you passed through one. The reason they are not there yet is, like previous posts have said, they are not off the design board yet. When they do finally come to be, they will be so well disguised that you will probably not even know you passed through one unless you set it off. Don't think airport metal detectors, think something totally new. I for one am glad they will do this, not that I am scared of terrorists but I saw how many weapons security found in bags with minimal searching, i know that there are alot more in the parks that were never found and up to this point luckily haven't been a problem. When they finally do happen, Disneyland will get it first, since they actually have some gang problems there everyonce in a while, but WDW will have them at some point.
Alright that is it, sorry so long, just wanted to let everyone know what i know so you can realize what the CM's at the front have to deal with day in day out. Any questions just post!!!
Steve
PhotoDave219
Well-Known Member
I had the same experience at epcot today.... no biometrics. Odd.
Figment1986
Well-Known Member
almost all Busch Entertaignment Parks use this new system.. niceer than Disney old gen... (on bussy days though they override the scanner.. but that wont happen for a while again.)
I think they are not an invasion.. it's like they dont get your fingerprints on file and know where you gone exactly at the end of the day.... or is it... :lookaourn
I think they are not an invasion.. it's like they dont get your fingerprints on file and know where you gone exactly at the end of the day.... or is it... :lookaourn
wdwplaid96
New Member
I talked to a Main Entrance manager last night with Epcot. He mentioned that the most almost all of the tickets will require biometrics in future, and that this is as good of time as any to change that main exit point at Epcot. No longer in the Center.