News Tron coaster coming to the Magic Kingdom

matt9112

matt9112

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OrlandoRising said:
If Universal had decided Hagrid's needed to be entirely enclosed the price tag would have approached Guardians level. And maybe some of that extra money for Guardians went to ensuring reliable operations. Hagrid's still does not operate at its intended capacity and likely never will.
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Hagrids was a monumental undertaking attempting to run that many trains on that many block sections. The fact it’s outside doesn’t play into it. Sure you have weather but so don’t any outdoor rides. It’s IMHO rediculous to blanket say every ride needs to be indoors because rain. It’s a balance. However are you trying to tell me the insane cost of guardians has to do with building a large generic warehouse type structure no different than the thousands of similar structures built across Florida?
 
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DCBaker

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Some photos of work happening this morning -

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OrlandoRising

OrlandoRising

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UNCgolf said:
Attendance in its early years was very high -- beyond that, what's your point? Early EPCOT was by far the greatest park ever built, but I've never seen anyone suggest that's objectively true. Nearly everything we discuss is subjective and it's a waste of time to point it out in every comment. Different people like different things -- there are plenty of people who think a park like Cedar Fair is better than any Disney park, because they are mainly interested in roller coasters. They're not objectively wrong to feel that way.

Guardians is nowhere near as impressive as World of Motion, Spaceship Earth, Journey into Imagination, Horizons, or the original Universe of Energy, not to mention the original Seabase Alpha version of the Living Seas. Therefore, it would not be a top 5 attraction at EPCOT in 1992. You're free to disagree, but you certainly can't tell me I'm wrong. It is, after all, subjective.

I don't even think it's close to being a top 10 attraction at WDW right now, but I find rides that rely mainly on thrill for entertainment value to be kind of boring.
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I don't agree, and it's useless to argue those opinions (which, ironically, we do seem to agree on).

But I have to note that every attraction you mentioned there was a slow-moving dark ride, so Guardians would have absolutely stood out amid that lineup. To argue that something considered state-of-the-art in 2022 wouldn't been have a top ride 30 years earlier is....interesting. That sounds like nostalgia talking.

Regarding Epcot's early attendance, it declined in the final quarter of fiscal 1983, and Disney World's overall attendance was below that of fiscal 83 overall in 84 and 85. That weakness was one of the factors that led to the greenmail debacle and Ron Miller being ousted. "Storming the Magic Kingdom" talks about Epcot's attendance being disappointing after its first nine months.
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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matt9112 said:
Hagrids was a monumental undertaking attempting to run that many trains on that many block sections. The fact it’s outside doesn’t play into it. Sure you have weather but so don’t any outdoor rides. It’s IMHO rediculous to blanket say every ride needs to be indoors because rain. It’s a balance. However are you trying to tell me the insane cost of guardians has to do with building a large generic warehouse type structure no different than the thousands of similar structures built across Florida?
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It’s not just the weather you have to worry about, there’s also the bees!
 
UNCgolf

UNCgolf

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OrlandoRising said:
But I have to note that every attraction you mentioned there was a slow-moving dark ride, so Guardians would have absolutely stood out amid that lineup. To argue that something considered state-of-the-art in 2022 wouldn't been have a top ride 30 years earlier is....interesting. That sounds like nostalgia talking.
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It's not nostalgia -- it's that people like different kinds of rides, as I mentioned originally. It wouldn't have been a top ride for me then, just like isn't a top ride for me right now (and I think those closed EPCOT attractions were better than nearly everything that exists at WDW now).

Guardians relies heavily on physical thrill, despite the story coaster intention. If physical thrill isn't especially interesting to you, it just doesn't offer very much.

That doesn't mean it's a bad attraction, because again, people like different things. Some people absolutely love Guardians, and I prefer it to something like, say, Velocicoaster. But I don't think it's as good as even Big Thunder Railroad when discussing coasters that intend to do something beyond physical thrill.
 
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J4546

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im surprised they arent walling off that side of the elevated walkway when approaching the bathroom/lockers/idontknow building so guests cant see the pond/backstage area. I think they are walling it off between the 2 buildings though.
 
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James Alucobond

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J4546 said:
im surprised they arent walling off that side of the elevated walkway when approaching the bathroom/lockers/idontknow building so guests cant see the pond/backstage area. I think they are walling it off between the 2 buildings though.
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Yes, the wall to the right on the elevated walkway has already been poured. I guess they’re counting on whatever they put in the planters to the side of the tunnel entrances obscuring the view somewhat? Still wish they’d construct some tall, aqueduct-like structure to at least partially hide backstage both from the area you’re mentioning and from within Storybook Circus, especially near Fantasyland Station and the Barnstormer queue.
 
Dan Deesnee

Dan Deesnee

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Anyone think they made a mistake branding this as Tron? I believe this was announced when they were still planning the Tron sequel, which they aren't anymore.

I'm surprised they didn't do a cheap alter and make it Buzz Light-year. Slap some decals and vinyls around. Change the projections content.
 
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doctornick

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Dan Deesnee said:
Anyone think they made a mistake branding this as Tron? I believe this was announced when they were still planning the Tron sequel, which they aren't anymore.
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That was true when they built the original in China, but by the time they announced/planned the ride in MK, the additional sequel was long cancelled (though I guess you could argue it's more in "development hell" and still being kicked around).
 

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