News Tron coaster coming to the Magic Kingdom

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JMcMahonEsq

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matt9112 said:
Sidebar i firmly believe disney has no business building rides that are the same capacity as things six flags is building...there rides should eat people at 3 or 4 times that rate. Yeah its expensive...being the best is expensive. Less fancy que more fancy capacity.
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I think this is the best path to a “solution” for those that think capacity is a major problem. It’s not building a movie theater at MK to soak up people, or another restaurant. People can eat and watch movies anywhere. I also don’t think it’s building “lesser” rides for the sake of more rides. I love dark water rides and don’t like roller coasters of any form, but I don’t think people will look better on a 1.5hour wait for 7D as opposed to a 2hour wait because they got to ride little mermaid or a new similar ride.

I think best way forward is building E ticket feature rides that draw people but that also have high capacity. Something like Pandora where they made sure to have multiple loading areas so that you increase the groups of 16 that are riding every time. Maybe it means building huge show buildings so that a feature ride runs multiple tracks, but I think the key is getting people on rides that are popular faster, not hopeinf people will spread out to less attractive rides to offset lines on popular ones.
 
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ToTBellHop

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JMcMahonEsq said:
I think this is the best path to a “solution” for those that think capacity is a major problem. It’s not building a movie theater at MK to soak up people, or another restaurant. People can eat and watch movies anywhere. I also don’t think it’s building “lesser” rides for the sake of more rides. I love dark water rides and don’t like roller coasters of any form, but I don’t think people will look better on a 1.5hour wait for 7D as opposed to a 2hour wait because they got to ride little mermaid or a new similar ride.

I think best way forward is building E ticket feature rides that draw people but that also have high capacity. Something like Pandora where they made sure to have multiple loading areas so that you increase the groups of 16 that are riding every time. Maybe it means building huge show buildings so that a feature ride runs multiple tracks, but I think the key is getting people on rides that are popular faster, not hopeinf people will spread out to less attractive rides to offset lines on popular ones.
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They really should have modified TRON to use trains with higher capacity. 14/train isn’t enough for Hagrid and will be even worse here (higher attendance; same height requirement).
 
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JMcMahonEsq

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G00fyDad said:
And it should have had multiple tracks for extra capacity. Some in a blue theme and some in an orange theme.
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That to me is the winner. I am not sure how much you can add capacity as far as ride vehicles on something like Tron. You want the ride to go fast, and make certain movements which I think limits the car size you can be running.

But Tron would have been a perfect ride to run sort of like the Lightening Racer coaster at Hershey Park, that has 2 separate trains "racing" each other with each ride. Running two separate tracks constantly, would increase capacity, it would increase re-ridability (people who did the blue track now want to ride the orange one, assuming they are slightly different) and actually fits perfectly with the IP theme with the racers trying to box/knock each other out.
 
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JMcMahonEsq said:
That to me is the winner. I am not sure how much you can add capacity as far as ride vehicles on something like Tron. You want the ride to go fast, and make certain movements which I think limits the car size you can be running.

But Tron would have been a perfect ride to run sort of like the Lightening Racer coaster at Hershey Park, that has 2 separate trains "racing" each other with each ride. Running two separate tracks constantly, would increase capacity, it would increase re-ridability (people who did the blue track now want to ride the orange one, assuming they are slightly different) and actually fits perfectly with the IP theme with the racers trying to box/knock each other out.
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In my idea they would be different. You would see the other colored "bikes" moving closer and farther as you go and then one would cross in front of the other while that "bike" would dip to go under and vice versa . They really should have built this one at WDW with this in mind and made it different that the original. It would have added capacity and excitement.
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lazyboy97o

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JMcMahonEsq said:
I slightly disagree. The bold goes to point to the idea that the actual completion of the ride was delayed by Covid/supply chain impacts/pacing slowdowns. Now if you think that Disney in general should build things faster, and that it should have scheduled construction to be completed prior to that point, then sure I agree Covid doesn’t play a factor in that.

One item that should be noted about Disney construction contracts is the amazing amount of control/oversight that Disney has as an Owner on both the design and construction process. Some of that is just bargaining power, but some of it is also Disney has always wanted to micromanage and control all aspects of construction. They can direct contractors to change methodology or rip up and replace completed work at their whim, even if it was built per spec. That kind of control comes at a cost, which is generally both actual increases costs in price, and time. Disney contracts and projects contain many more interim milestones and stop points where contractors wait for approval before proceeding to the next phase of operations. It’s what in the past has allowed Disney to build uniform parks melding pre-existing elements to new construction relatively seamlessly, but it’s not ideal for getting construction done quickly or cheaply.
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Even basic AIA contracts allow owners to reject work. That Disney does so frequently reject work done as directed is a sign of serious disfunction, not high standards.
 
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JMcMahonEsq said:
I slightly disagree. The bold goes to point to the idea that the actual completion of the ride was delayed by Covid/supply chain impacts/pacing slowdowns. Now if you think that Disney in general should build things faster, and that it should have scheduled construction to be completed prior to that point, then sure I agree Covid doesn’t play a factor in that.
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Let's break it down and sum it up for ease of semantics.

The earlier post in bold part in bold was in reference to the post that stated Tron not be scheduled to be completed in Q1 of 2020 even before the pandemic. During the early part of the 50th was very likely. That has nothing to do with supply shut downs. It was always going to take a long time. Now it is just longer to make the most of the investment.

The long time just got longer. By intention. Covid changed the intention to longer so they can premier it in a better environment. No documentation or evidence I have seen of supply chain issues slowing it down. It is the long term drawn out way the company has liked to do things the last decade and a half mixed with the situation other parks like Sea World Parks are in where they are not going to open up their new coasters until the environment is better in their business sense. Starting with Sea World's Ice Breaker this February.

It is a choice.
 
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lazyboy97o said:
Even basic AIA contracts allow owners to reject work. That Disney does so frequently reject work done as directed is a sign of serious disfunction, not high standards.
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Basic AIA agreements allow owners to reject work if it is defective, or not in compliance with specifications/contract requirements. Disney contracts allow them to at any time during or after completion direct the work to be torn out and redone, even if it is in complete compliance with contract requirements. They are generally really good about paying for those types of changes, but it plays hell with a contractors schedule and cash flow, to know an owner might tell you to redo everything you just did, because the owner “doesn’t think it looks right.” Don’t get me wrong it’s a great feature to have if you are an owner, and it allows you to truly shape what you want to be built, especially when what looks good on paper might not look as good in application. But it’s on scheduling. Having to re-order different materials with lead times is never good for schedules.
 
Casper Gutman

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MisterPenguin said:
As soon as Disney gets an Internet fanbase that won't crucify them for such an addition not being a Super-E-Ticket headliner.
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Do you really think that if Disney added several non Super-E-Tickets and DIDN'T HYPE them as Super-E-Tickets the internet fanbase in general and this board in particular wouldn't applaud it? Because it really seems like you're blatantly caricaturing a huge group of your fellow posters by ignoring what they've said for years.

Oh, and this is putting aside the absurd suggestion that poor little Disney wants to do the right things but the big mean internet fanbase won't let them.
 
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gorillaball

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Casper Gutman said:
Do you really think that if Disney added several non Super-E-Tickets and DIDN'T HYPE them as Super-E-Tickets the internet fanbase in general and this board in particular wouldn't applaud it? Because it really seems like you're blatantly caricaturing a huge group of your fellow posters by ignoring what they've said for years.

Oh, and this is putting aside the absurd suggestion that poor little Disney wants to do the right things but the big mean internet fanbase won't let them.
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So you are saying they shouldn't hype additions they are adding? Let me guess - marketing major?

Also let's not confuse - Disney promotion from general word of mouth, if Disney announces something new coming (as any company on the planet would do) and the fanbase speculates on it and blows it out of proportion - that's not Disney.
 
ToTBellHop

ToTBellHop

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Casper Gutman said:
Do you really think that if Disney added several non Super-E-Tickets and DIDN'T HYPE them as Super-E-Tickets the internet fanbase in general and this board in particular wouldn't applaud it? Because it really seems like you're blatantly caricaturing a huge group of your fellow posters by ignoring what they've said for years.

Oh, and this is putting aside the absurd suggestion that poor little Disney wants to do the right things but the big mean internet fanbase won't let them.
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People complain about Mermaid even though it’s better than Pan.

People complain about Remy even though it’s the best ride in World Showcase.

People complain about Falcon even though it’s the best second-tier ride they’ve built in a single IP land (the only type of land they build now).

Na’vi River Adventure wasn’t hyped and is a C-ticket…yet…”we deserved more!”

Alien Swirling Saucers? Not hyped. Complaints.

Are we observing the same fans? People complain about the woodwork in a creperie they have not dined in.
 
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Casper Gutman said:
Do you really think that if Disney added several non Super-E-Tickets and DIDN'T HYPE them as Super-E-Tickets the internet fanbase in general and this board in particular wouldn't applaud it?
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After web-slingers I have to say, no. The internet fan base wouldn't applaud it. Y'all expect an E-ticket attraction whilst said attraction was never advertised/meant to be an E-ticket attraction and then say that the attraction is a disappointment or a failure when, surprise surprise! It's not an E-ticket. Happened before and will inevitably happen in the future.

Disney listens when the people speak. It may not seem like it but there are several past and current events to prove that they do.
 

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