News Tron coaster coming to the Magic Kingdom

[mtrella]

This might be buried somewhere in this thread but wanted to get some thoughts on visiting Magic Kingdom on Tron opening day (4/4/23). Will be there that week in April and currently have a park reservation for MK. Just wanted to get some ideas on crowds, etc. based on previous opening days for attractions like this.

 

[wdwmagic]

This might be buried somewhere in this thread but wanted to get some thoughts on visiting Magic Kingdom on Tron opening day (4/4/23). Will be there that week in April and currently have a park reservation for MK. Just wanted to get some ideas on crowds, etc. based on previous opening days for attractions like this.

In the old days it would have been a mess, but with reservations, it will just be a busy MK, but nothing overwhelming.

 

[ctrlaltdel]

The only restraint system at WDW that gives me concern is the one on BTMRR. A single lap bar shared by a Pooh-sized parent and a little waif who just hit the height requirement is basically no restraint at all. Split bars have become the norm and that ride needs a retrofit.

It's really fine. There is nothing unsafe about it.

If you want an insane ride with a buzz bar, go to Phoenix at Knoebels in PA. Literally has you standing up on some of the airtime hills.

 

[sedati]

I disagree. Mich better air time. BTMRR doesn't have any inversions. Restraints prevent guests from leaving the train midride.

In the example I gave, the restraint is hovering about 2 feet over the child, so again, no restraint at all.

 

[ChrisFL]

In the example I gave, the restraint is hovering about 2 feet over the child, so again, no restrain at all.

that might be a bit exaggerated but I agree with the overall point. Coasters don't have to go upside down to cause issues and typically if they are going upside down, they're going fast enough to not matter...it's the hills and negative G-forces which are IMO more of an issue

 

[lewisc]

that might be a bit exaggerated but I agree with the overall point. Coasters don't have to go upside down to cause issues and typically if they are going upside down, they're going fast enough to not matter...it's the hills and negative G-forces which are IMO more of an issue

That's what I get for posting when I'm half a sleep. I got it backwards.

 

[SteveAZee]

Will you stop body-shaming Winnie the Pooh? Yes, he is fighting an addiction to honey and, yes, he once got stuck in Rabbit's hole. However, he is trying to do the best he can with what he has (a head full of stuffing and not much thought). Poor little bear.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

 

[Disone]

Haven't seen his other videos and haven't been on TRON but just based on his and a few other videos, pretty much agree with everything he says. Those pics on the sides of that one part of the queue.....I really hope those are just placeholders because wow they look like crap.

I don't understand the choices made for crowds where the test seats are, keeping that massive gift shop in front of Space Mountain...after virtual queue is over (or even before), they might have pretty bad crowding issues.

Also, I heard only 2 of the 3 trains have the special access/handicapped accessible seats...that's not good.

I think Tron has more then 3 trains. With Double load and unload stations plus a hold point just before the unload fork they could casade five right there.

 

[Hawg G]

Yes, but Tron’s impressive aesthetics are outside, rather then part of the ride experience itself. It’s a Uwe Boll movie with a Drew Struzan poster.

But the outside section is so thematically perfect, matching in the movies, when the programs go outside the computer and zip around under some lights.

 

[Coaster Lover]

The only restraint system at WDW that gives me concern is the one on BTMRR. A single lap bar shared by a Pooh-sized parent and a little waif who just hit the height requirement is basically no restraint at all. Split bars have become the norm and that ride needs a retrofit.

And yet never has there been an issue with someone falling off the ride. BTMRR consists almost entirely of positive and lateral g-forces with essentially no negative g-forces. The deep bucket seats keep you plenty safe on the ride (even if you rode with no restraint at all). The restraint isn't there to prevent you from getting out of the ride, it's just there to discourage you from getting out of the ride. The single bar restraint helps with load/unload times substantially. Any change to individual lap bars would significantly decrease throughput of the ride.

 

[sedati]

And yet never has there been an issue with someone falling off the ride. BTMRR consists almost entirely of positive and lateral g-forces with essentially no negative g-forces. The deep bucket seats keep you plenty safe on the ride (even if you rode with no restraint at all). The restraint isn't there to prevent you from getting out of the ride, it's just there to discourage you from getting out of the ride. The single bar restraint helps with load/unload times substantially. Any change to individual lap bars would significantly decrease throughput of the ride.

Thankfully there's been no accidents like that, but I can't be the only one who has seen what I described whipping out of the load station and thought, "oh, no..."

They may not fall (or jump) out, but this leaves small children plenty of room to jostle, bounce, slide, and bang about quite freely. I'm certain many a parent has held on to more than their hats and glasses while their little one rollicked about at 40mph on the wildest ride in outdated safety.

 

[celluloid]

Thankfully there's been no accidents like that, but I can't be the only one who has seen what I described whipping out of the load station and thought, "oh, no..."

They may not fall (or jump) out, but this leaves small children plenty of room to jostle, bounce, slide, and bang about quite freely. I'm certain many a parent has held on to more than their hats and glasses while their little one rollicked about at 40mph on the wildest ride in outdated safety.

Ther eis a reason for the 40 inch height requirement and the padded sides of the seats.

 

[sedati]

Ther eis a reason for the 40 inch height requirement and the padded sides of the seats.

The 40 inch requirement becomes moot because this is a SHARED SEAT/RESTRAINT. What modern thrill ride allows for a min/max arrangement and can claim to do so safely? Trying to keep this focused on Tron, imagine a rider seated with the restraint at the maximum setting. Now sit a scrawny four-footer next to them, but keep the same configuration. Should be okay, right? There is some padding I believe.

 

[celluloid]

The 40 inch requirement becomes moot because this is a SHARED SEAT/RESTRAINT. What modern thrill ride allows for a min/max arrangement and can claim to do so safely? Trying to keep this focused on Tron, imagine a rider seated with the restraint at the maximum setting. Now sit a scrawny four-footer next to them, but keep the same configuration. Should be okay, right? There is some padding I believe.

40 inch height requirement is not moot as it still factors into where parts of the seat will fall in range.

The ride dynamic matters. Not sure why you want to compare.
I read what you wrote. No need for caps that sound angry for emphasis. I am a fan of bold myself. You said you can't be the only one, but you seem to be the only one here.
Define your take on modern.
Define your terms for thrill ride. Many levels and subjective.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Thankfully there's been no accidents like that, but I can't be the only one who has seen what I described whipping out of the load station and thought, "oh, no..."

They may not fall (or jump) out, but this leaves small children plenty of room to jostle, bounce, slide, and bang about quite freely. I'm certain many a parent has held on to more than their hats and glasses while their little one rollicked about at 40mph on the wildest ride in outdated safety.

You really don’t want Thunder to be any fun at all, huh?

 

[Touchdown]

All Roller Coaster Restraints are required, by industry standards, to be able to restrain anyone, irregardless of size, at all “locked” positions. The little scamp cannot free himself from the restraint to leave the cab even if it’s in the biggest locked position. It is in fact the reason some high intensity coasters have more restrictive safety variances despite the fact that the restraint could be more accommodating. Doing that would force an increase in minimum height.

I also find all this high and mighty talk about losing weight a bit rediculous for this ride in particular because the primary restraint is based on the size of your calf. Short of people with serious health conditions or a rare genetic disorder that have leg edema issues it’s going to be near impossible to lose weight in that area of your body. The fat content of your calf is pretty small, it’s mostly muscle. Taller individuals who are going to need to bend their knee into a more acute angle and having to extend their ankle on the tire (flexing the calf muscles making them larger in girth and less elastic) are going to have the biggest issue.

 

[Incomudro]

All Roller Coaster Restraints are required, by industry standards, to be able to restrain anyone, irregardless of size, at all “locked” positions. The little scamp cannot free himself from the restraint to leave the cab even if it’s in the biggest locked position. It is in fact the reason some high intensity coasters have more restrictive safety variances despite the fact that the restraint could be more accommodating. Doing that would force an increase in minimum height.

I also find all this high and mighty talk about losing weight a bit rediculous for this ride in particular because the primary restraint is based on the size of your calf. Short of people with serious health conditions or a rare genetic disorder that have leg edema issues it’s going to be near impossible to lose weight in that area of your body. The fat content of your calf is pretty small, it’s mostly muscle. Taller individuals who are going to need to bend their knee into a more acute angle and having to flex their ankle on the tire (flexing the calf muscles making them larger in girth and less elastic) are going to have the biggest issue.

Size - and fat content isn't only about the calf portion of the restraint, though surely people who gain large amounts of weight also get much larger calves. Larger calf sizes are clearly evident with weight gain.
It's about general comfort, and ease of movement.

 

[FigmentFan82]

The 40 inch requirement becomes moot because this is a SHARED SEAT/RESTRAINT. What modern thrill ride allows for a min/max arrangement and can claim to do so safely? Trying to keep this focused on Tron, imagine a rider seated with the restraint at the maximum setting. Now sit a scrawny four-footer next to them, but keep the same configuration. Should be okay, right? There is some padding I believe.

Or maybe da just holds onto the kid like a normal sane person would. Stop creating problems where there are none. I rode Big Thunder with my daughter last year, you could barely see her head from the seat behind, and guess what, I held her so she would go flopping around in the seat.

This willful ignorance is tiresome

 

[gorillaball]

The 40 inch requirement becomes moot because this is a SHARED SEAT/RESTRAINT. What modern thrill ride allows for a min/max arrangement and can claim to do so safely? Trying to keep this focused on Tron, imagine a rider seated with the restraint at the maximum setting. Now sit a scrawny four-footer next to them, but keep the same configuration. Should be okay, right? There is some padding I believe.

For fun round numbers let's say BTMRR has 2000/hr capacity... and let's say it runs 12 hours per day. That's just under 9 million riders per year. It's been open for 43 years. At some point you have to put more stock in the data than on the human nature fear of seeing a little tike ride out of the station when you say the safety restraints are outdated (over 350 million test cases, and this is just one park).

As a parent I never did hold my kids tightly on BTMRR for fear of them being jettisoned into the Rivers of America. Now, I did have many rides on Space where my hands were firmly on their shoulders

 

[Hawg G]

For fun round numbers let's say BTMRR has 2000/hr capacity... and let's say it runs 12 hours per day. That's just under 9 million riders per year. It's been open for 43 years. At some point you have to put more stock in the data than on the human nature fear of seeing a little tike ride out of the station when you say the safety restraints are outdated (over 350 million test cases, and this is just one park).

As a parent I never did hold my kids tightly on BTMRR for fear of them being jettisoned into the Rivers of America. Now, I did have many rides on Space where my hands were firmly on their shoulders

Yeah how many people have died in car wrecks on their way to WDW in that 43 years.