News Tron coaster coming to the Magic Kingdom

[JoeCamel]

Is Narnia topical anymore? Seems like it was everywhere and then gone...
Jungle Book would be a lot of fun too...but based on the animated version...

Narnia is timeless....

Its a joke based on the last Narnia "attraction" to show in DHS

 

[TalkToEthan]

. Shanghai Pirates could have been fantastic but it suffers from stopping to watch videos. That's not why I ride theme park attractions

Once a ride commits that high level felony it’s extremely hard to atone for that shortcoming.

Designers who create movie watching scenes on rides have committed a theme park unforgivable sin.

I’m talking to you, too, Rat, and Gringotts. There are of course other high level offenders.

 

[Touchdown]

Once a ride commits that high level felony it’s extremely hard to atone for that shortcoming.

Designers who create movie watching scenes on rides have committed a theme park unforgivable sin.

I’m talking to you, too, Rat, and Gringotts. There are of course other high level offenders.

So I take it you aren’t a fan of Soarin or Flight of Passage.

 

[fgmnt]

If the Shanghai version was in FLA, it would be the number one ride there, even ahead of Tron

For the Magic Kingdom expansion that will never happen, the villains ride that will never be built would be great to see use the Shanghai ride system. We really need to get it in America.

 

[Skibum1970]

Well, let's eventually get TRON to open here in America first. And a railroad.

 

[UNCgolf]

I take it you have never been on it? Totally fine not to like Shanghais pirates of course, but that ride does not stop in front of screens like say ratatouille does. Its always moving, be it forwards, backwards or sidewards. Besides that it also has moments of speeding up and slowing down. So to say it just stops in front of a screen is inacurate. Its actually quite thrilling.

Saying it stops was essentially a figure of speech that I shouldn't have used. The fact that you're watching a movie on a screen at all is the problem -- if you're moving during it that doesn't really help. It's the same reason I don't think Forbidden Journey is an especially good ride.

Again, I'm not saying Shanghai Pirates is bad. I would happily see the ride system at WDW. But I don't think it's as good as Florida's Pirates, much less the DL or Paris versions. I don't get why people are unable to accept that not everyone thinks Shanghai Pirates is an absolute masterpiece. It's fine if you love it but that doesn't make it objectively so great that anyone who disagrees is wrong.

Regardless, this thread is supposed to be about TRON and this is way off-topic so I'll leave it at that!

 

[JoeCamel]

Once a ride commits that high level felony it’s extremely hard to atone for that shortcoming.

Designers who create movie watching scenes on rides have committed a theme park unforgivable sin.

I’m talking to you, too, Rat, and Gringotts. There are of course other high level offenders.

But maybe it doesn't???

Saying it stops was essentially a figure of speech that I shouldn't have used.

You have never been on it like this poster amiright?

 

[eddie104]

Saying it stops was essentially a figure of speech that I shouldn't have used. The fact that you're watching a movie on a screen at all is the problem -- if you're moving during it that doesn't really help. It's the same reason I don't think Forbidden Journey is an especially good ride.

Again, I'm not saying Shanghai Pirates is bad. I would happily see the ride system at WDW. But I don't think it's as good as Florida's Pirates, much less the DL or Paris versions. I don't get why people are unable to accept that not everyone thinks Shanghai Pirates is an absolute masterpiece. It's fine if you love it but that doesn't make it objectively so great that anyone who disagrees is wrong.

Regardless, this thread is supposed to be about TRON and this is way off-topic so I'll leave it at that!

Why this even turned into a Pirates discussion is beyond me. Also Shanghai Pirates was built relatively recent versus the MK version constructed in the 70s.

I would hope technology has come far enough for Dis to create something truly impressive.

 

[JohnD]

And we're discussing the Shanghai Pirates because the original Tron is in Shanghai? That must be why that discussion is in this thread.

 

[SplashJacket]

I think Florida's Pirates is better than the Shanghai version.

The Shanghai version is neat and the ride system is really cool, but there's too much watching a video on a screen in front of you. It does a good job incorporating physical effects with the video, but it's just not as impressive/immersive as being in a space full of physical sets, AAs, etc.

Legitimately could not disagree with a post more.

Shanghai Pirates executes pacing, atmosphere, and a sense of grandeur better than any other ride in the world.

I still consider Shanghai Pirates the best ride in the world, with Rise of the Resistance being the best attraction (total immersion and incredible depth).

Tron, while a great ride (not as good as either Guardians or Hagrid's -- but it was never trying to be), will be a superb addition to the Magic Kingdom and will rejuvenate and invigorate a hole within the Magic Kingdom. Perfection isn't required for a quality addition.

 

[SplashJacket]

I'm not saying there's something wrong with him for liking Shanghai Pirates more. That's fine.

But it's not an objectively better attraction. Florida Pirates is better than Shanghai Pirates to me (and I'm apparently not the only one). Shanghai Pirates could have been fantastic but it suffers from stopping to watch videos. That's not why I ride theme park attractions -- you shouldn't be stopping during the ride to watch a movie play on a screen (there are some exceptions, but mainly attractions where the whole experience is a video isn't really doable in any other way, like Flight of Passage -- and I still generally like those less than other attractions); I can do that at home. Video/projections that are interspersed with other things can work very well, but Shanghai Pirates has a couple of moments where it's literally just watching a video.

It's still a quality attraction, but that really detracts from it.

The fact that you're watching a movie on a screen at all is the problem -- if you're moving during it that doesn't really help. It's the same reason I don't think Forbidden Journey is an especially good ride.

Again, I'm not saying Shanghai Pirates is bad. I would happily see the ride system at WDW. But I don't think it's as good as Florida's Pirates, much less the DL or Paris versions. I don't get why people are unable to accept that not everyone thinks Shanghai Pirates is an absolute masterpiece. It's fine if you love it but that doesn't make it objectively so great that anyone who disagrees is wrong.

I am fairly certain you've ridden Shanghai's POTC, which makes this comment even more deranged than it seems at first glance. At no point does Shanghai Pirates stop moving, and at no point is the primary action of the ride occur on screens. The screens act as a backdrop and world-building but not as the primary focus.

Honestly, reading through your comment, I really don't see how it's possible you've ridden this ride. I think you've done exactly what you say is possible with screen rides, watched a POV at home, and are casting judgments.



Riding Cosmic Rewind feels DRASTICALLY different than we could've expected from leaks, clips, or even a POV. Riding Tron feels DRASTICALLY different than we could've expected from leaks, clips, or even a POV. So while these clips or existing POVs are nice, since some people have ridden Tron, they can attest to their experience.

While I was in Shanghai, I chose to ride its POTC around a dozen times and Tron about four. I believe I rode Roaring Rapids about 3 times, but no other ride captured my attention or time as much as POTC, but Tron was second.

Very solid ride that I'm happy is coming stateside. I wish it were longer, but its ambiance is far more valuable than its on-ride experience, if only the speedway were replaced with an asset.

 

[UNCgolf]

I am fairly certain you've ridden Shanghai's POTC, which makes this comment even more deranged than it seems at first glance. At no point does Shanghai Pirates stop moving, and at no point is the primary action of the ride occur on screens. The screens act as a backdrop and world-building but not as the primary focus.

Honestly, reading through your comment, I really don't see how it's possible you've ridden this ride. I think you've done exactly what you say is possible with screen rides, watched a POV at home, and are casting judgments.



Riding Cosmic Rewind feels DRASTICALLY different than we could've expected from leaks, clips, or even a POV. Riding Tron feels DRASTICALLY different than we could've expected from leaks, clips, or even a POV. So while these clips or existing POVs are nice, since some people have ridden Tron, they can attest to their experience.

While I was in Shanghai, I chose to ride its POTC around a dozen times and Tron about four. I believe I rode Roaring Rapids about 3 times, but no other ride captured my attention as time as much as POTC, but Tron was second.

Very solid ride that I'm happy is coming stateside. I wish it were longer, but its ambiance is far more valuable than its on-ride experience (similar to Journey to the Center of the Earth in Tokyo).

You're right, I haven't been on it -- and that's irrelevant because I don't really care about motion. It's why I find roller coasters mostly a waste of time unless they have a significant story aspect, like Revenge of the Mummy, and why TRON is of little interest to me.

The way a ride FEELS doesn't matter to me. I don't judge it on that basis; that's the least important part of a theme park attraction.

You and others are setting up an arbitrary scale based on what you like and telling me I'm wrong for not enjoying attractions the same way you do. Shanghai Pirates is less interesting to me than Florida Pirates; riding it would make no difference to my complaints about the attraction. It still involves watching things happen on a screen; nothing about the motion of ride has any affect on that.

Is it so important to have your opinions validated that you simply cannot accept that someone looks for something different in an attraction than you do? It's bizarre.

 

[Touchdown]

UNCgolf, you’re entitled to your opinion but you are in a minority. Amusement Parks (a precursor to theme parks) were created because the public loved motion changes. People loved them so much they were willing to pay to experience it. Motion is very much a core theme park experience to this day because of it. It will always be.

 

[J4546]

I'm not a fan of screen based rides either, grongotts was a major disappointment imo. I like soaring amd pandora ride though.

 

[UNCgolf]

UNCgolf, you’re entitled to your opinion but you are in a minority. Amusement Parks (a precursor to theme parks) were created because the public loved motion changes. People loved them so much they were willing to pay to experience it. Motion is very much a core theme park experience to this day because of it. It will always be.

Amusement parks and theme parks are different things. Amusement parks rely almost completely on motion (Six Flags, e.g.); motion is only part of the experience and doesn't have to be the main driver. It's why rides like Spaceship Earth and Haunted Mansion are still among the best attractions anyone has ever built.

Regardless, I know it's a minority opinion. Why does that matter? I've repeatedly pointed out that other people can feel differently; I'm not the one acting personally insulted about other people's opinion of an attraction.

For one last time, it's completely fine to think Shanghai Pirates is the best ride on the planet! I have never suggested otherwise -- I haven't even said it was a bad ride!

 

[SplashJacket]

You're right, I haven't been on it -- and that's completely irrelevant because I don't really care about motion. It's why I find roller coasters mostly a waste of time unless they have a significant story aspect, like Revenge of the Mummy.

The way a ride FEELS doesn't matter to me. I don't judge it on that basis.

You and others are setting up an arbitrary scale based on what you like and telling me I'm wrong for not enjoying attractions the same way you do. Shanghai Pirates is less interesting to me than Florida Pirates; riding it would make no difference to my complaints about the attraction. It still involves watching things happen on a screen in front of you.

Is it so important to have your opinions validated that you simply cannot accept that someone looks for something different in an attraction than you do?

If the way a ride FEELS doesn't matter to you, an at-home POV and on-ride experience should be synonymous. You can watch 360 POVs and strap on a VR headset and that would deliver an identical level of satisfaction.

It's not that you don't like a ride you've never been on that bothers me. It's that your complaints regarding the ride are invalid.

Tron's issues are its unthemed show building, short length, modest capacity, the extreme cost for what you get, unfriendly restraint system (the back rows of the vehicles are accommodating, so not a huge issue), lack of animatronics, lack of storytelling depth, placement in Magic Kingdom, it slows to a crawl entering the show building, and some other complaints you could conjure up. All those are valid complaints.

Arguing about stuff that doesn't exist or happen is a waste of time. Saying Tron's loops are uncomfortable (it doesn't have loops), its show scenes are bad (it doesn't have show scenes), its animatronics look cheap (it doesn't have animatronics), or its preshow is annoying (it doesn't have a preshow) is silly. If you dislike Tron, dislike it for valid reasons.

You're arguing Shanghai POTC is the worst in the world because it stops in front of screens (it doesn't), the primary conflicts of the ride occur on screens (they don't), and screens dominate the ride (they don't).

Shanghai Pirates has far more elaborate, detailed, and grander scenes than any other POTC iteration. Its quantity of enormous scenes may be less, but individually, they win out. However, Shanghai POTC lacks the number of animatronics as the other iterations, so that would easily be a valid complaint.

I'm not trying to gatekeep judgment or opinions on Shanghai POTC, but if you have issues with it, have them be real. We could talk endlessly about Shanghai POTC or Tron (as the last 710 pages of this thread have showcased), but keep the discussions based in reality; there's plenty to discuss without venturing into fairyland.

 

[SplashJacket]

I'm not a fan of screen based rides either, grongotts was a major disappointment imo. I like soaring amd pandora ride though.

Amusement parks and theme parks are different things. Amusement parks rely almost completely on motion (Six Flags, e.g.); in theme parks it's only part of the experience and doesn't have to be the main driver. It's why rides like Spaceship Earth and Haunted Mansion are still among the best attractions anyone has ever built.

Regardless, I know it's a minority opinion. Why does that matter? I've repeatedly pointed out that other people can feel differently; I'm not the one acting personally insulted about other people's opinion of an attraction.

For one last time, it's completely fine to think Shanghai Pirates is the best ride on the planet! I have never suggested otherwise -- I haven't even said it was a bad ride! It's crazy that people are acting like my personal opinion and preference in theme park attractions is objectively wrong and a personal affront to them, though.

I think Gringotts is one of the biggest blunders in recent theme park years, alongside Fast and Furious, due to its parking in front of screens, failure to set expectations properly, ride's substance primarily delivered through screens, and lack of excitement.

That opinion is undoubtedly a minority opinion among the GP, maybe not here, but regardless.

I don't think Shanghai POTC or Tron fail to set expectations properly, which is a HUGE part of whether or not a ride is perceived as good.

Shanghai's POTC entrance is nondescript, lacks a preshow, and delivers a masterclass experience.

While its canopy is far from subtle, Tron's exterior shows it's a fast-moving launching coaster. It delivers the excitement that it should. My ONLY issue with Tron's interior experience (queue, ride, loading, etc.) is its meager length. The experience is so fun and aesthetically cool you want more. Tron isn't a game-changing experience. It attempts to secure the cool and fun factor, and I believe it does very well. If a ride leaves you wanting more, it generally means it's a good ride (in Tron's case, I think it took this a bit too seriously).

 

[UNCgolf]

If the way a ride FEELS doesn't matter to you, an at-home POV and on-ride experience should be synonymous. You can watch 360 POVs and strap on a VR headset and that would deliver an identical level of satisfaction.

It's not that you don't like a ride you've never been on that bothers me. It's that your complaints regarding the ride are invalid.

Tron's issues are its unthemed show building, short length, modest capacity, the extreme cost for what you get, unfriendly restraint system (the back rows of the vehicles are accommodating, so not a huge issue), lack of animatronics, lack of storytelling depth, placement in Magic Kingdom, it slows to a crawl entering the show building, and some other complaints you could conjure up. All those are valid complaints.

Arguing that stuff that doesn't exist or happen is a waste of time. Saying Tron's loops are uncomfortable (it doesn't have loops), its show scenes are bad (it doesn't have show scenes), its animatronics look cheap (it doesn't have animatronics), or its preshow is annoying (it doesn't have a preshow) is silly. If you dislike Tron, dislike it for valid reasons.

You're arguing Shanghai POTC is the worst in the world because it stops in front of screens (it doesn't), the primary conflicts of the ride occur on screens (they don't), and screens dominate the ride (they don't).

Shanghai Pirates has far more elaborate, detailed, and grander scenes than any other POTC iteration. Its quantity of enormous scenes may be less, but individually, they win out. However, Shanghai POTC lacks the number of animatronics as the other iterations, so that would easily be a valid complaint.

I'm not trying to gatekeep judgment or opinions on Shanghai POTC, but if you have issues with it, have them be real. We could talk endlessly about Shanghai POTC or Tron (as the last 710 pages of this thread have showcased), but keep the discussions based in reality; there's plenty to discuss without venturing into fairyland.

Not at all. A VR headset isn't remotely the same as inhabiting a physical space, which is exactly the issue I have with screen heavy attractions in the first place (and no, I don't think Shanghai is a screen heavy attraction compared to others). They never feel as tangible/real as a physical set with AAs etc. and it's a less impressive/immersive experience (I'm speaking in general here, not about Shanghai Pirates specifically). Anyways, it's not that the physical feel is 100% irrelevant -- e.g., the drop in Splash Mountain is a perfect ending/enhancement to that ride, and the unpleasant jerkiness of Forbidden Journey detracts from it (even if FJ was the smoothest ride in existence I still would have found it pretty underwhelming, though); it's just that it matters a lot less than other things for me.

There are absolutely parts of Shanghai Pirates where the main action is happening on a screen. It's not the majority of the ride (and I think I specifically said it wasn't), but there are a couple of times where the main focus is something happening on video, even if it's only for a few seconds. This isn't something new -- it's been discussed here as a flaw before, including by people that have been on the attraction. I'm not just making it up out of thin air so I'm not sure why you're claiming it's invalid. It's absolutely not on the level of something like Gringotts, though, so if you thought I was suggesting it was then I can understand the push back.

Shanghai Pirates looks like a good attraction, and I would happily take the ride system at WDW (even though I don't think it's the greatest in the world, it would still be one of the best attractions they've built at WDW this century if it was here). Just because I don't like it as much as the other POTCs overall doesn't mean I think it's bad -- it has some really impressive scenes. It's just that elaborate physical sets and AAs (and Shanghai has some of this too, just not to the same extent, especially with number of AAs) are more interesting to me than almost anything else on an attraction because they're more immersive/transportive for me. It's why I like NRJ so much more than other people seem to (despite the lack of AAs there).

I'm also not sure it even makes sense to compare it to the other POTCs because it's a completely different attraction. Different ride system, different plot, really even different IP considering the others are just based around generic pirates and not the specific film series (despite the shoehorned Jack Sparrow appearances). That's also why my original comment was in response to someone saying Florida POTC should be replaced with the Shanghai version. I'm certainly not opposed to that ride system, or even the ride itself, going to WDW (put it in DHS!). I just don't think it should replace the current attraction.

 

[dreday3]

I'm sure Shanghai Pirates is a fun ride. And I love a lot of attractions that have screen - Rat, Soarin, etc.

I much prefer animatronics to screen-based rides and that's just a fact for me when it comes to Pirates. I don't want high tech, latest/greatest. I want a hairy leg swinging at me as I float under it. And a drunk man singing with a pig. Sadly, I'd like no reference to the movies at all if I could have it my way.

 

[UNCgolf]

You haven't even been on it and are criticizing aspects of the ride that it doesn't objectively have a problem with. It's not using screens to be cheaper like Gringotts or Ratatouille; unlike them, it also never parks in front of them. Besides the Jack Sparrow Davy Jones swordfight scene, there isn't one scene that feels like a cop-out. Every other time, screens are used to enhance scenes. The dozens of screens aren't at all what you're arguing they are.

I'm not sure you understand what the word objective means.

Regardless, your Sparrow swordfight comment seems like you actually agree with the only point I ever made, so... okay?