News Tron coaster coming to the Magic Kingdom

[BubbaisSleep]

I’m sure most of us agree with the actual point. It’s probably just using the worst pirates out of all of them to prove your point. Shanghai’s is way better than Florida’s but DL & Paris have something unique to compete with. All that room and they still made it a cliff notes version in Florida. It’s honestly the prime candidate out of the three to get the Shanghai treatment.

But back to Tron, even though it’s a clone the videos still create hype & it is making me excited.

 

[IMDREW]

I'm not saying there's something wrong with him for liking Shanghai Pirates more. That's fine.

But it's not an objectively better attraction. Florida Pirates is better than Shanghai Pirates to me (and I'm apparently not the only one). Shanghai Pirates could have been fantastic but it suffers from stopping to watch videos. That's not why I ride theme park attractions -- you shouldn't be stopping during the ride to watch a movie play on a screen (there are some exceptions, but mainly attractions where the whole experience is a video isn't really doable in any other way, like Flight of Passage -- and I still generally like those less than other attractions); I can do that at home. Video/projections that are interspersed with other things can work very well, but Shanghai Pirates has a couple of moments where it's literally just watching a video.

It's still a quality attraction, but that really detracts from it.

I take it you have never been on it? Totally fine not to like Shanghais pirates of course, but that ride does not stop in front of screens like say ratatouille does. Its always moving, be it forwards, backwards or sidewards. Besides that it also has moments of speeding up and slowing down. So to say it just stops in front of a screen is inacurate. Its actually quite thrilling.

 

[Bocabear]

I take it you have never been on it? Totally fine not to like Shanghais pirates of course, but that ride does not stop in front of screens like say ratatouille does. Its always moving, be it forwards, backwards or sidewards. Besides that it also has moments of speeding up and slowing down. So to say it just stops in front of a screen is inacurate. Its actually quite thrilling.

This~! It never stops moving, and the screens are beautifully integrated into the sets... the scale is mammoth. No video of this attraction can really do it justice. It is epic and huge and fast-paced. You want to ride it again and again to catch things you missed the first time.
And seriously...the WDW version of Pirates is the worst one they ever built... Go see the Paris version or the Disneyland original... both are better quality rides than the WDW version of Pirates.

 

[TQQQ]

This~! It never stops moving, and the screens are beautifully integrated into the sets... the scale is mammoth. No video of this attraction can really do it justice. It is epic and huge and fast-paced. You want to ride it again and again to catch things you missed the first time.
And seriously...the WDW version of Pirates is the worst one they ever built... Go see the Paris version or the Disneyland original... both are better quality rides than the WDW version of Pirates.

If the Shanghai version was in FLA, it would be the number one ride there, even ahead of Tron

 

[Bocabear]

If the Shanghai version was in FLA, it would be the number one ride there, even ahead of Tron

I agree completely... and it follows the film version more... if only Disney had a park that was focused on Disney Films and could still use a few more rides.....hmmmmmm

 

[JoeCamel]

I agree completely... and it follows the film version more... if only Disney had a park that was focused on Disney Films and could still use a few more rides.....hmmmmmm

I know! Instead of Pirates theme it to - I don't know, ummmm - Narnia!

 

[Bocabear]

I know! Instead of Pirates theme it to - I don't know, ummmm - Narnia!

Is Narnia topical anymore? Seems like it was everywhere and then gone...
Jungle Book would be a lot of fun too...but based on the animated version...

 

[JoeCamel]

Is Narnia topical anymore? Seems like it was everywhere and then gone...
Jungle Book would be a lot of fun too...but based on the animated version...

Narnia is timeless....

Its a joke based on the last Narnia "attraction" to show in DHS

 

[TalkToEthan]

. Shanghai Pirates could have been fantastic but it suffers from stopping to watch videos. That's not why I ride theme park attractions

Once a ride commits that high level felony it’s extremely hard to atone for that shortcoming.

Designers who create movie watching scenes on rides have committed a theme park unforgivable sin.

I’m talking to you, too, Rat, and Gringotts. There are of course other high level offenders.

 

[Touchdown]

Once a ride commits that high level felony it’s extremely hard to atone for that shortcoming.

Designers who create movie watching scenes on rides have committed a theme park unforgivable sin.

I’m talking to you, too, Rat, and Gringotts. There are of course other high level offenders.

So I take it you aren’t a fan of Soarin or Flight of Passage.

 

[fgmnt]

If the Shanghai version was in FLA, it would be the number one ride there, even ahead of Tron

For the Magic Kingdom expansion that will never happen, the villains ride that will never be built would be great to see use the Shanghai ride system. We really need to get it in America.

 

[Skibum1970]

Well, let's eventually get TRON to open here in America first. And a railroad.

 

[UNCgolf]

I take it you have never been on it? Totally fine not to like Shanghais pirates of course, but that ride does not stop in front of screens like say ratatouille does. Its always moving, be it forwards, backwards or sidewards. Besides that it also has moments of speeding up and slowing down. So to say it just stops in front of a screen is inacurate. Its actually quite thrilling.

Saying it stops was essentially a figure of speech that I shouldn't have used. The fact that you're watching a movie on a screen at all is the problem -- if you're moving during it that doesn't really help. It's the same reason I don't think Forbidden Journey is an especially good ride.

Again, I'm not saying Shanghai Pirates is bad. I would happily see the ride system at WDW. But I don't think it's as good as Florida's Pirates, much less the DL or Paris versions. I don't get why people are unable to accept that not everyone thinks Shanghai Pirates is an absolute masterpiece. It's fine if you love it but that doesn't make it objectively so great that anyone who disagrees is wrong.

Regardless, this thread is supposed to be about TRON and this is way off-topic so I'll leave it at that!

 

[JoeCamel]

Once a ride commits that high level felony it’s extremely hard to atone for that shortcoming.

Designers who create movie watching scenes on rides have committed a theme park unforgivable sin.

I’m talking to you, too, Rat, and Gringotts. There are of course other high level offenders.

But maybe it doesn't???

Saying it stops was essentially a figure of speech that I shouldn't have used.

You have never been on it like this poster amiright?

 

[eddie104]

Saying it stops was essentially a figure of speech that I shouldn't have used. The fact that you're watching a movie on a screen at all is the problem -- if you're moving during it that doesn't really help. It's the same reason I don't think Forbidden Journey is an especially good ride.

Again, I'm not saying Shanghai Pirates is bad. I would happily see the ride system at WDW. But I don't think it's as good as Florida's Pirates, much less the DL or Paris versions. I don't get why people are unable to accept that not everyone thinks Shanghai Pirates is an absolute masterpiece. It's fine if you love it but that doesn't make it objectively so great that anyone who disagrees is wrong.

Regardless, this thread is supposed to be about TRON and this is way off-topic so I'll leave it at that!

Why this even turned into a Pirates discussion is beyond me. Also Shanghai Pirates was built relatively recent versus the MK version constructed in the 70s.

I would hope technology has come far enough for Dis to create something truly impressive.

 

[JohnD]

And we're discussing the Shanghai Pirates because the original Tron is in Shanghai? That must be why that discussion is in this thread.

 

[SplashJacket]

I think Florida's Pirates is better than the Shanghai version.

The Shanghai version is neat and the ride system is really cool, but there's too much watching a video on a screen in front of you. It does a good job incorporating physical effects with the video, but it's just not as impressive/immersive as being in a space full of physical sets, AAs, etc.

Legitimately could not disagree with a post more.

Shanghai Pirates executes pacing, atmosphere, and a sense of grandeur better than any other ride in the world.

I still consider Shanghai Pirates the best ride in the world, with Rise of the Resistance being the best attraction (total immersion and incredible depth).

Tron, while a great ride (not as good as either Guardians or Hagrid's -- but it was never trying to be), will be a superb addition to the Magic Kingdom and will rejuvenate and invigorate a hole within the Magic Kingdom. Perfection isn't required for a quality addition.

 

[SplashJacket]

I'm not saying there's something wrong with him for liking Shanghai Pirates more. That's fine.

But it's not an objectively better attraction. Florida Pirates is better than Shanghai Pirates to me (and I'm apparently not the only one). Shanghai Pirates could have been fantastic but it suffers from stopping to watch videos. That's not why I ride theme park attractions -- you shouldn't be stopping during the ride to watch a movie play on a screen (there are some exceptions, but mainly attractions where the whole experience is a video isn't really doable in any other way, like Flight of Passage -- and I still generally like those less than other attractions); I can do that at home. Video/projections that are interspersed with other things can work very well, but Shanghai Pirates has a couple of moments where it's literally just watching a video.

It's still a quality attraction, but that really detracts from it.

The fact that you're watching a movie on a screen at all is the problem -- if you're moving during it that doesn't really help. It's the same reason I don't think Forbidden Journey is an especially good ride.

Again, I'm not saying Shanghai Pirates is bad. I would happily see the ride system at WDW. But I don't think it's as good as Florida's Pirates, much less the DL or Paris versions. I don't get why people are unable to accept that not everyone thinks Shanghai Pirates is an absolute masterpiece. It's fine if you love it but that doesn't make it objectively so great that anyone who disagrees is wrong.

I am fairly certain you've ridden Shanghai's POTC, which makes this comment even more deranged than it seems at first glance. At no point does Shanghai Pirates stop moving, and at no point is the primary action of the ride occur on screens. The screens act as a backdrop and world-building but not as the primary focus.

Honestly, reading through your comment, I really don't see how it's possible you've ridden this ride. I think you've done exactly what you say is possible with screen rides, watched a POV at home, and are casting judgments.



Riding Cosmic Rewind feels DRASTICALLY different than we could've expected from leaks, clips, or even a POV. Riding Tron feels DRASTICALLY different than we could've expected from leaks, clips, or even a POV. So while these clips or existing POVs are nice, since some people have ridden Tron, they can attest to their experience.

While I was in Shanghai, I chose to ride its POTC around a dozen times and Tron about four. I believe I rode Roaring Rapids about 3 times, but no other ride captured my attention or time as much as POTC, but Tron was second.

Very solid ride that I'm happy is coming stateside. I wish it were longer, but its ambiance is far more valuable than its on-ride experience, if only the speedway were replaced with an asset.

 

[UNCgolf]

I am fairly certain you've ridden Shanghai's POTC, which makes this comment even more deranged than it seems at first glance. At no point does Shanghai Pirates stop moving, and at no point is the primary action of the ride occur on screens. The screens act as a backdrop and world-building but not as the primary focus.

Honestly, reading through your comment, I really don't see how it's possible you've ridden this ride. I think you've done exactly what you say is possible with screen rides, watched a POV at home, and are casting judgments.



Riding Cosmic Rewind feels DRASTICALLY different than we could've expected from leaks, clips, or even a POV. Riding Tron feels DRASTICALLY different than we could've expected from leaks, clips, or even a POV. So while these clips or existing POVs are nice, since some people have ridden Tron, they can attest to their experience.

While I was in Shanghai, I chose to ride its POTC around a dozen times and Tron about four. I believe I rode Roaring Rapids about 3 times, but no other ride captured my attention as time as much as POTC, but Tron was second.

Very solid ride that I'm happy is coming stateside. I wish it were longer, but its ambiance is far more valuable than its on-ride experience (similar to Journey to the Center of the Earth in Tokyo).

You're right, I haven't been on it -- and that's irrelevant because I don't really care about motion. It's why I find roller coasters mostly a waste of time unless they have a significant story aspect, like Revenge of the Mummy, and why TRON is of little interest to me.

The way a ride FEELS doesn't matter to me. I don't judge it on that basis; that's the least important part of a theme park attraction.

You and others are setting up an arbitrary scale based on what you like and telling me I'm wrong for not enjoying attractions the same way you do. Shanghai Pirates is less interesting to me than Florida Pirates; riding it would make no difference to my complaints about the attraction. It still involves watching things happen on a screen; nothing about the motion of ride has any affect on that.

Is it so important to have your opinions validated that you simply cannot accept that someone looks for something different in an attraction than you do? It's bizarre.

 

[Touchdown]

UNCgolf, you’re entitled to your opinion but you are in a minority. Amusement Parks (a precursor to theme parks) were created because the public loved motion changes. People loved them so much they were willing to pay to experience it. Motion is very much a core theme park experience to this day because of it. It will always be.