News Tron coaster coming to the Magic Kingdom

[ToTBellHop]

Is it a space that is present in Shanghai? Maybe they looked and thought the train would fit in existing space or maybe it was designed that way from the start.

I’m not enough of an expert bin the design. Maybe someone else is? But such shifts are very common with clones. I am confident that this isn’t literally a carbon copy. Clones never are. The walkways here have a completely different orientation for one. The point was that further modification of the canopy was certainly possible. They chose not to.

 

[Rich Brownn]

There were rumors that when the "Tomorrowland" movie didn't do well that Disney changed their mind on TRON 3 also, which, if true, is really short-sighted. Not all sci-fi is the same and those movies are VERY different from each other (for the record, I really enjoyed both TRON Legacy and Tomorrowland)

No, TRON3, while profitable, underperformed based on expectations.

 

[JoeCamel]

I’m not enough of an expert bin the design. Maybe someone else is? But such shifts are very common with clones. I am confident that this isn’t literally a carbon copy. Clones never are. The walkways here have a completely different orientation for one. The point was that further modification of the canopy was certainly possible. They chose not to.

I'm thinking the canopy panels are the same leading to the same shape. Supports may have been designed to fit both locations. I have no real knowledge if that happened but the rumor is the choo choo didn't fit

 

[ToTBellHop]

I'm thinking the canopy panels are the same leading to the same shape. Supports may have been designed to fit both locations. I have no real knowledge if that happened but the rumor is the choo choo didn't fit

I would imagine supports moving would lead to other changes, no? And it is clear they had to make changes since the train will fit in the end.

It’s not worth belaboring, though. The canopy will LOOK the same even if it is subtly different.

The different approach (not walking directly toward the building) should make sightlines better for anyone walking in from Tomorrowland—less noticeable big box. Silver lining, I guess.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I’m not enough of an expert bin the design. Maybe someone else is? But such shifts are very common with clones. I am confident that this isn’t literally a carbon copy. Clones never are. The walkways here have a completely different orientation for one. The point was that further modification of the canopy was certainly possible. They chose not to.

The canopy does not have a lot of columns, most of the columns seen in photos are for the coaster. They exist at the end of the curves that effectively create a series of arches for support. The train goes through the canopy under the curves so it avoids them. Moving the columns in any significant way would mean changing the shape of the curves.

I’m not sure where this sudden idea came from that hardscape is some big, difficult effort. Moving walkways is easy and relatively cheap.

 

[ChrisFL]

No, TRON3, while profitable, underperformed based on expectations.

you mean TRON 2

 

[TikibirdLand]

TR3N: Development Hell

thought that was the secondary title of Avatar 2

 

[Rich Brownn]

you mean TRON 2

Yeah... darn autocorrect

 

[Patcheslee]

Something I've been wondering about with the canopy: will it provide enough coverage to avoid downtime for storms? Or will it be another TT situation?

 

[UNCgolf]

Something I've been wondering about with the canopy: will it provide enough coverage to avoid downtime for storms? Or will it be another TT situation?

I'm pretty sure the ride stays under the canopy the entire time, so you'd be protected from rain, but I have no idea if it would protect from lightning strikes. I'm saying no but that's just a guess.

 

[G00fyDad]

I'm pretty sure the ride stays under the canopy the entire time, so you'd be protected from rain, but I have no idea if it would protect from lightning strikes. I'm saying no but that's just a guess.

Lightning can also travel from the ground upward as well as from the sky to the ground. I don't think the canopy is necessarily going to protect you from lightning.

 

[UNCgolf]

Lightning can also travel from the ground upward as well as from the sky to the ground. I don't think the canopy is necessarily going to protect you from lightning.

Right, I agree. I think it's likely the ride will not run during thunderstorms.

 

[celluloid]

I have also pointed that out before. I am siding with no for Lightning codes of the immediate 5-10 mile area that most outdoor attractions have.

 

[nickys]

It wasn’t exclusive. That is a special extra that really only started with Hong Kong Disneyland.

Can you explain this please? Hong Kong opened back in 2005. Did you mean Ratatouille at DLP? That was an exclusive deal in 2014 (opening) I believe.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Can you explain this please? Hong Kong opened back in 2005. Did you mean Ratatouille at DLP? That was an exclusive deal in 2014 (opening) I believe.

Exclusivity was part of the 2009 announcement that Hong Kong Disneyland would be adding three new lands. Grizzly Gulch and Mystic Point were globally exclusive and Toy Story Playland exclusive in Asia since it was also being added to Walt Disney Studios Park.

 

[nickys]

Exclusivity was part of the 2009 announcement that Hong Kong Disneyland would be adding three new lands. Grizzly Gulch and Mystic Point were globally exclusive and Toy Story Playland exclusive in Asia since it was also being added to Walt Disney Studios Park.

OK. So here’s the sequence of the question:

- someone suggested Tron had an exclusivity agreement.
- You then said that Tron did not, and that exclusivity only started with HK.
- I took that to be some kind of explanation.
- But Tron was well after HK, and exclusivity was used again before Tron opened. So it wasn’t an explanation then, just a fact.

So the start of exclusivity has nothing to do with why Tron did not have one. I find it strange it didn’t if there was no co-funding involved. I mean, I believe you, just find it strange why there would not have been one used, since by then exclusivity agreements were in use.

 

[doctornick]

OK. So here’s the sequence of the question:

- someone suggested Tron had an exclusivity agreement.
- You then said that Tron did not, and that exclusivity only started with HK.
- I took that to be some kind of explanation.
- But Tron was well after HK, and exclusivity was used again before Tron opened. So it wasn’t an explanation then, just a fact.

So the start of exclusivity has nothing to do with why Tron did not have one. I find it strange it didn’t if there was no co-funding involved. I mean, I believe you, just find it strange why there would not have been one used, since by then exclusivity agreements were in use.

Maybe there was indeed some degree of exclusivity for a time period though. It seems like the original target for Tron opening was Oct 1, 2021 (or maybe a little earlier). It opened in Shanghai in June 2016 so that would fit nicely with a 5 year exclusivity clause.

 

[lazyboy97o]

OK. So here’s the sequence of the question:

- someone suggested Tron had an exclusivity agreement.
- You then said that Tron did not, and that exclusivity only started with HK.
- I took that to be some kind of explanation.
- But Tron was well after HK, and exclusivity was used again before Tron opened. So it wasn’t an explanation then, just a fact.

So the start of exclusivity has nothing to do with why Tron did not have one. I find it strange it didn’t if there was no co-funding involved. I mean, I believe you, just find it strange why there would not have been one used, since by then exclusivity agreements were in use.

While it costs the park more, exclusivity is very much about making amends.

From the very beginning, there was concern in Hong Kong that they were a consolation prize. Everyone knew that Disney’s real goal with the Disneyland Asia project was a park in Shanghai. The agreement for the initial buildout of the Hong Kong Disneyland Resort was that Hong Kong would provide the site and access while Disney would build the park and resorts with the cost additions then shared along ownership percentages. The park that opened was much, much smaller than the one that Disney had announced that even included Frontierland, ToonTown and entirely new attractions beyond a garden and stage show. The three new lands were about trying to make Hong Kong happy and keep that situation from hurting the negotiations on the Mainland. Disney agreed to 100% finance the lands themselves and that they would be exclusive to Hong Kong Disneyland for five years after their respective opening.

In Japan, the Oriental Land Company tired of Disney demanding they spend more and more to maintain “Disney quality” while cheating out elsewhere. They felt used, like they were being coerced into funding research and development for everyone else.

There was no real reason for Shanghai Disneyland to lock down anything as an exclusive. Disney was much more committed to the costs of the project (even paying part of the extra $800 million to get it back on track) and has a lot more to lose if they anger their business partners.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Maybe there was indeed some degree of exclusivity for a time period though. It seems like the original target for Tron opening was Oct 1, 2021 (or maybe a little earlier). It opened in Shanghai in June 2016 so that would fit nicely with a 5 year exclusivity clause.

TRON and Ratatouille were both approved to add something as quickly as possible. About four years to design and built TRON wasn’t a deliberately stalled timeline and pretty decent, especially for Disney.

 

[nickys]

TRON and Ratatouille were both approved to add something as quickly as possible. About four years to design and built TRON wasn’t a deliberately stalled timeline and pretty decent, especially for Disney.

Didn’t @ToTBellHop say recently that Disney have decided to delay the opening of Tron to 1st October 2022? If they stick to that, then that is a deliberately stalled timeline if ever there was one.