News Tron coaster coming to the Magic Kingdom

[Goofyernmost]

The shot is from Shanghai's 'main level'. This square roof is very visible from guests standing in normal places. The lower level you see you can walk down a ramp or stairs to.

Sorry, just seems like a petty concern, but, if it bothers you, it bothers you. Didn't want to imply differently, however, it is so low on my own priority list that I can't even find it at the bottom.

 

[Ismael Flores]

Exactly. It's unfair to compare Disney's ride times compared to that ride. It was also much cheaper than 100 million since it shared its screen cost with other parks. Because of Walt, Disney's fanbase holds the company to a higher standard and critiques anything. I'm amazed to see TRON get criticized so heavily.

Sorry I actually missed one word in my post. I wasn't the excited one other people were. ;-)

Fixed it now

 

[britain]

Sorry, just seems like a petty concern, but, if it bothers you, it bothers you. Didn't want to imply differently, however, it is so low on my own priority list that I can't even find it at the bottom.

No worries - Sure, there are bigger problems in Disney's world (and much bigger problems in the REAL world) but I guess the frustrating thing to me is how straightforward this solution is.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Uhm.. you can theme it.

Like 99% of the buildings at Disney

That's part of the reason people love Disney.
Because Space Mountain looks like Space Mountain, and not like a warehouse

I'm going to assume that whatever they chose, it will look better than this atrocity:

Imagine if Disney decided to plop this down on Paradise Pier The outrage!

It could be worse. You could just paint it blue and put some clouds on it and pretend its the sky!

WDW does a good job in hiding buildings with facades that mimic two or three story buildings with nice architectural elements. In fact, they did such a good job, that I didn't know some of the restaurants and attractions existed in Frontierland and Fantasyland because I thought that was all faux frontages!

 

[Daveeeeed]

It could be worse. You could just paint it blue and put some clouds on it and pretend its the sky!

WDW does a good job in hiding buildings with facades that mimic two or three story buildings with nice architectural elements. In fact, they did such a good job, that I didn't know some of the restaurants and attractions existed in Frontierland and Fantasyland because I thought that was all faux frontages!

The studios theme allowed them to cheap out as with Walt Disney Studios and Hollywood Studios. For every other Disney park will will never see that.

Plus that was added in a time Disney (and supposedly) Universal does not do that anymore.
People are not praising the blue sky. People are praising Transformers.

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

It is themed! It is part of the ride design. Roofs don't hold themselves up you know. A plan single color wall is far less obtrusive then one all gussied up to be themed as a wall with stuff painted on it. And since we don't know what a Tron ride is supposed to look like... who's to say that doesn't look like a Tron ride? If you wanted too, you could acknowledge the Space Mountain is a round warehouse. Last I heard there are no mountains in space. It doesn't look like any mountain I have ever seen. Use your imagination and your ability of suspend reality.

If you've ever seen a Tron movie, it's pretty clear that a big blank box is not part of it. Everything in Tron, especially the new one, is designed within an inch of it's life.
The exposed show building is a cop-out, let's pray they do better for the Magic Kingdom's version.

Also, your theory about the obtrusiveness of the wall makes little sense -- a themed one may be more noticeable, but since it's themed it's safe to be noticed. Leaving something blank and asking people not to notice is nearly the opposite of themed design. "Go-Away Grey" and such attempts work in small doses - the sight lines of the HOP building from parts of Frontierland, for example. But it's already pushing it the way they used it for Soarin' from World Showcase, asking people to ignore the enormous show building for Tron would be next-level bad. Even with it's placement "behind" Space Mountain, unless a conscious attempt is made to address the show building's look the sight lines of this thing from across the park will be tremendously poor.

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

Or Bugs Land.

Oof . . . #Avengers?

 

[Bairstow]

And I remember people being so excited about how detailed and fast universal built that. It is just a giant wherehouse with some paint and few pieces of decor on it. That pretty much why universal built it so fast. All the interior was already orefabbed before the ride was announced

Compared to a lot of the flat block studio buildings Universal Studios has long had in its central core, the Transformers building is better themed than most.

Won't Tron have a similar flat sided track building, on the other side of the train tracks, apart from the nice entry building? Like Rock n Rollercoaster, for instance?
Guests won't see that one.

 

[Goofyernmost]

If you've ever seen a Tron movie, it's pretty clear that a big blank box is not part of it. Everything in Tron, especially the new one, is designed within an inch of it's life.
The exposed show building is a cop-out, let's pray they do better for the Magic Kingdom's version.

Also, your theory about the obtrusiveness of the wall makes little sense -- a themed one may be more noticeable, but since it's themed it's safe to be noticed. Leaving something blank and asking people not to notice is nearly the opposite of themed design. "Go-Away Grey" and such attempts work in small doses - the sight lines of the HOP building from parts of Frontierland, for example. But it's already pushing it the way they used it for Soarin' from World Showcase, asking people to ignore the enormous show building for Tron would be next-level bad. Even with it's placement "behind" Space Mountain, unless a conscious attempt is made to address the show building's look the sight lines of this thing from across the park will be tremendously poor.

Your right, I don't know much about Tron and don't see any need to know. If I like the ride the wall could have pink Minnie polka dot's all over it and not matter. However, I do know about people and I will assure you that most, the vast majority will never even notice it, and if they do will have absolutely no concern about it at all. Now if you insist on having your knickers in a knot over it, then what the hell, you are the one that will eventually have ulcer problems not me. Epcot has a huge blue building on the west side of the lagoon that I watched them build. Today I can spend the whole day in Epcot and never notice it. It's there and if I chose to obsess about it, I will easily see it. I don't chose that, I don't pay any attention because I am to busy absorbing all the rest of the place and even if I did, it would have zero affect on my enjoyment meter.

 

[Timothy_Q]

Your right, I don't know much about Tron and don't see any need to know. If I like the ride the wall could have pink Minnie polka dot's all over it and not matter. However, I do know about people and I will assure you that most, the vast majority will never even notice it, and if they do will have absolutely no concern about it at all.

And I can assure you Disney didn't become famous by doing what the "vast majority" would do

You can be like the "vast majority". Disney has to be better

 

[Mike S]

Compared to a lot of the flat block studio buildings Universal Studios has long had in its central core, the Transformers building is better themed than most.

Not to mention the ride's whole premise has you starting in a N.E.S.T warehouse. That's how the building should look.

 

[EricsBiscuit]

Just to clarify: Tron is not in the dark! There are screens and cool effects in the ride building.

 

[matt9112]

Just to clarify: Tron is not in the dark! There are screens and cool effects in the ride building.

rides still insanely short.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Not to mention the ride's whole premise has you starting in a N.E.S.T warehouse. That's how the building should look.

Most secret facilities try to be just that, a secret. At best it is a throw away justification to excuse poor design. The TRON Lightcycle Power Run box could be painted black and blue to be “part of the grid,” but it would just as lousy of a justification.

 

[tirian]

Most secret facilities try to be just that, a secret. At best it is a throw away justification to excuse poor design. The TRON Lightcycle Power Run box could be painted black and blue to be “part of the grid,” but it would just as lousy of a justification.

Or it could be hidden like the massive showbuildings that hold POTC, HM, and IASW.

 

[Ismael Flores]

Compared to a lot of the flat block studio buildings Universal Studios has long had in its central core, the Transformers building is better themed than most.

Won't Tron have a similar flat sided track building, on the other side of the train tracks, apart from the nice entry building? Like Rock n Rollercoaster, for instance?
Guests won't see that one.

True but I think what made this transformers building theme look bad is the placement. This huge structure is right in the middle of some highly themed facades.

It could be said that it is the same problem that some people see with the guardian tower. In that case you have a themed facade that is surrounded by the huge unthemed building for the animation attraction and Hyperion theater. Only good thing is that eventually the area around guardian will change when the new Marvel land starts growing around it.

 

[Daveeeeed]

True but I think what made this transformers building theme look bad is the placement. This huge structure is right in the middle of some highly themed facades.

It could be said that it is the same problem that some people see with the guardian tower. In that case you have a themed facade that is surrounded by the huge unthemed building for the animation attraction and Hyperion theater. Only good thing is that eventually the area around guardian will change when the new Marvel land starts growing around it.

Exactly, but Gotg was even more justified because they are building a land around it.

I can guarantee you if Disney decided to build that on Sunset Boulevard or other places, they would receive so much hate. It's unfair to then hold Disney to a higher standard, but then praise Universal for doing the same thing. Both resorts are obviously awesome, but at the same time, there is a clear winner.

The show building could seriously be updated, but it does not look as bad as people make it seem, but I really do hope they alter it because WDW is the superior resort, and I personally hope it stays that way.
But as a whole the guest is winning due to investments, so I'm not complaining! (Minus GMR).

 

[Absimilliard]

Lightcycle is essentially 60 seconds from the moment the train launches until the moment the train's speed is fully reduced by the brakes. By comparison, Rockin' Rollercoaster is about 70 seconds when comparing the same launch to brake time... though RNRC has a MCBR which slows the train pretty considerably which would add to the "ride time". Both coasters have that "pre-launch" build up between when the train leaves the station and when the launches that adds slightly to the ride experience time, however, similar to RNRC, this time is minimal and does not include any substantial time or dark ride elements.

TRON has 3 block brakes while Rock n Roller Coaster has two. Where Rock n Roller Coaster is a little longer is due to the slow Rollover (double loop at the start) and the elevated turn after. TRON is a much zippier and faster ride throughout and even though Rock n Roller is 150 feet longer in track, its 10 seconds longer than TRON.

 

[Absimilliard]

I agree, but neither does "Big Thunder Mountain Railroad." Many people just call it "Thunder Mountain." Similarly, I assume this will be mostly called "the Tron coaster."


I think it has some drawbacks.

First, as often mentioned, the giant unthemed showbuilding in Shanghai is extremely visible from many places both in and out of the park. A new low for Disney parks. This could most certainly ruin the aesthetics from multiple parts of the MK area as well.

Second, I'm not sure this jives well with Space Mountain. This ride is quite literally a newer version of Space Mountain. The imagineers who designed this ride in place of SM in Shanghai based it's story and flow on SM. That's why there are so many striking similarities.

Oh, and third, it's a clone. Now the ride no longer serves as a draw for Americans to visit SDL.

So while additions are generally good, I do see drawbacks. I don't think it's the best way to spend $200 million.

But then looking at some other decisions they've made, I realize it's far, far from the worst.

How many Americans or even foreigners to give your point more of a fighting chance are going to cancel their trip to Shanghai Disneyland due to TRON getting a clone at WDW? We tend to forget that people like us who are Disney diehards are a minority. Then, out of that minority, how many will travel to say Disneyland instead of WDW? Then, you end up with the few thousand people that will go overseas to visit the Asian parks. Last, you have the extreme fan like me who won't bat an eye at spending 4 days in Tokyo just to ride Tower of Terror: Level 13 at Tokyo DisneySea and catch a wrestling show at Korakuen Hall.

 

[wdizneew]

rides still insanely short.

When I watched the video online, my initial reaction was disappointment for how short it was. However, after riding it twice, I believe it's the perfect length due to the intensity and thrill of the ride. My adrenaline was pretty high from start to finish. Plus, the g-forces it placed on my neck was enough for me to not want it to be longer than it is. Oh another thing, it was more comfortable on my neck to look down than to look forward but then you miss out on all the dark ride elements.