News Tron coaster coming to the Magic Kingdom

TrainsOfDisney

TrainsOfDisney

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they are certainly different enough that they could both remain. I know there have been hints of DL’s Space having “plans” if they end up getting Tron so maybe Disney already has an IP tie-in / rebuild ready to go?

I mean Disneyland had the Matterhorn and old version of space mountain in the same park for how many years? They really were petty much the same ride until the 50th rebuild of SM (ya know... after people died on space mountain cause of a lack of maintenance....)
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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TrainChasers said:
they are certainly different enough that they could both remain. I know there have been hints of DL’s Space having “plans” if they end up getting Tron so maybe Disney already has an IP tie-in / rebuild ready to go?

I mean Disneyland had the Matterhorn and old version of space mountain in the same park for how many years? They really were petty much the same ride until the 50th rebuild of SM (ya know... after people died on space mountain cause of a lack of maintenance....)
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The version of Space Mountain most similar to the Matterhorn is the original at the Magic Kingdom. Even then, Space Mountain was not the result of “How do we update the Matterhorn?”

Nobody died on Space Mountain at Disneyland nor did the structure fail due to lack of maintenance. The structure failed due to the on-board audio system but failed a few months before expected (the rebuild was already scheduled). The current layout is the same as the original.

Big Thunder Mountain Railroad is the coaster that experienced a fatality and was only recently rebuilt.
 
TrainsOfDisney

TrainsOfDisney

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I thought someone died or was severely injured on space mountain when a piece of the structure fell on them? Couldn’t find a reference to it so maybe I was just confusing it all with big thunder.

And Disneyland never had the side by side tracks? I never rode space mountain at Disneyland until after the 50th rebuild so I always assumed the previous version was identical to the Florida version.
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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TrainChasers said:
I thought someone died or was severely injured on space mountain when a piece of the structure fell on them? Couldn’t find a reference to it so maybe I was just confusing it all with big thunder.

And Disneyland never had the side by side tracks? I never rode space mountain at Disneyland until after the 50th rebuild so I always assumed the previous version was identical to the Florida version.
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Overhead scenery failed on Big Thunder Mountain at Disneyland Paris but no one was killed.

Space Mountain at Disneyland is too small for the Magic Kingdom tracks. The layout there now is nearly identical to what it was before, with minor adjustments for the beefier track design.
 
Movielover

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lazyboy97o said:
Overhead scenery failed on Big Thunder Mountain at Disneyland Paris but no one was killed.
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Disneyland's Big Thunder derailed in the early 2000's due to shortage in maintenance. This is the accident that killed a guest. It was this reason that the second set of large wheels were removed from all version's locomotives.
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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Movielover said:
Disneyland's Big Thunder derailed in the 90's due to shortage in maintenance. This is the accident that killed a guest. It was this reason that the second set of large wheels were removed from all version's locomotives.
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The fatal derailment on Big Thunder Mountain Railroad was in 2003, not the 90s. It also did not involve anything falling down from overhead, which did occur at Disneyland Paris.
 
raymusiccity

raymusiccity

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larryz said:
Ah, yes. There was a time when they could reasonably expect people to get on and off a boat quickly enough to reach that figure.

Today's people, however, for whatever reason, seem incapable of doing so.

But my point was in comparison to Tron, for which I've seen estimates running from just under 1,000 to just over 1,600 per hour.
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Your comment regarding slow loading time is really accurate. The average guest seems to be stuck in low gear. It's like the customer in a fast food line not reading the menu until they belly up to the counter! :oops:
 
Kman101

Kman101

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larryz said:
They are only similar in that both have track, coaster cars, and at least some portion inside. Everything else is different, including the launch, seating, effects and layout.
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Exactly. They're entirely different experiences, except both being a coaster. I don't really agree with the panic and worry that SM will be demo'd. I very highly doubt they get rid of the iconic building. The inside? Sure, gut away ...
 
TrainsOfDisney

TrainsOfDisney

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Who’s got the panic or the worry? I’m worrying that Tron will take over the subs and autopia in Cali, I’m not concerned in the least with what happens in Florida.

I’m just saying it seems like a logical possibility. Especially since Florida typically has to close an attraction to get a new one.
 
Kman101

Kman101

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TrainChasers said:
Who’s got the panic or the worry? I’m worrying that Tron will take over the subs and autopia in Cali, I’m not concerned in the least with what happens in Florida.

I’m just saying it seems like a logical possibility. Especially since Florida typically has to close an attraction to get a new one.
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I can understand why you and others feel that way. I just don't think that's the case. But if I'm wrong, I won't be surprised, either.

It's not illogical from a certain perspective. But because TRON "replaced" SM in Shanghai, that doesn't mean it's "replacing" them all, either. We just don't know,, truthfully. I just don't see it "because they're the same". I can see it from the standpoint of "we replace to add" but even then ... guess time will tell.
 
Mike S

Mike S

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lazyboy97o said:
The version of Space Mountain most similar to the Matterhorn is the original at the Magic Kingdom. Even then, Space Mountain was not the result of “How do we update the Matterhorn?”

Nobody died on Space Mountain at Disneyland nor did the structure fail due to lack of maintenance. The structure failed due to the on-board audio system but failed a few months before expected (the rebuild was already scheduled). The current layout is the same as the original.

Big Thunder Mountain Railroad is the coaster that experienced a fatality and was only recently rebuilt.
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Didn’t Matterhorn have a fatality where a woman was thrown from one sled and got hit by an oncoming sled after?
 
GlacierGlacier

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lazyboy97o said:
Nobody died on Space Mountain at Disneyland...
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Nobody died on Space Mountain at Disneyland due to mechanical failure.

Other examples of death and/or serious injury on space mountain at disneyland:
  • Death due to blockage in brain/coma after being sent through a second time mistakenly by operators
  • Paralysis from the waist down due to teen defying restraints
  • Injuries after abrupt stop (mechanical failure)
lazyboy97o said:
Big Thunder Mountain Railroad is the coaster that experienced a fatality and was only recently rebuilt.
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Incidents at BTMRR @ Disneyland
  • Kid lot his toes after getting them wedged between the coaster and the load/unload station
  • Derailment due to maintenance failures.
TrainChasers said:
I think I was confusing the Florida case where a man was paralyzed from a falling object (most likely dropped by a guest) on space mountain. That and the Paris big thunder incident must have merged together in my head and moved to Cali.
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Florida Incidents:
  • Pre-existing heart condition => death (later)
  • Man injured by falling object (1998) paralysis and memory loss.
  • Give Kids The World kid died on the coaster
  • Old man died to heart condition
  • Woman died of cardiac arrest due to pre-existing conditions
Paris big thunder:
  • Fiberglass rock fell and hurt five guests (2011)
  • Two cars derailed, but nobody was severely injured (2011)
Mike S said:
Didn’t Matterhorn have a fatality where a woman was thrown from one sled and got hit by an oncoming sled after?
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lazyboy97o said:
If I remember correctly, that woman fell out as a result of unbuckling her restraint and standing up. Not quite the same as the Columbia and Big Thunder Mountain Railroad where the guests did nothing wrong.
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  • May, 1964. 15-year old boy stood up and fell out. Died three days later.
  • January, 1984. 48-year old woman "thrown from a bobsled car and hit by the next oncoming bobsled." Seatbelt had not been buckled, unclear what caused that to happen in the first place
Woman was thrown from the car and was decapitated, being trapped with her head and chest under the wheels. She was the only person in the ride car at the time. Location is now called Dolly's drop by CMs.

A much more comprehensive list is available at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_incidents_at_Disney_parks

Do note that content in that list is Wikipedia, and to properly use Wikipedia you must check the linked sources. Wikipedia is a reference site, not a source.
 
No Name

No Name

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Would be nice if they spent an extra ten million and gave the track an extra section for a decent overall length. One of the ride’s many problems.

Wikipedia is extremely accurate these days. More accurate than many reputable sources. That being said, it’s always good to double-check information.
 
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