News Tron coaster coming to the Magic Kingdom

[Movielover]

Overhead scenery failed on Big Thunder Mountain at Disneyland Paris but no one was killed.

Disneyland's Big Thunder derailed in the early 2000's due to shortage in maintenance. This is the accident that killed a guest. It was this reason that the second set of large wheels were removed from all version's locomotives.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Disneyland's Big Thunder derailed in the 90's due to shortage in maintenance. This is the accident that killed a guest. It was this reason that the second set of large wheels were removed from all version's locomotives.

The fatal derailment on Big Thunder Mountain Railroad was in 2003, not the 90s. It also did not involve anything falling down from overhead, which did occur at Disneyland Paris.

 

[Movielover]

My mistake, fixing in my original post. Thanks

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I think I was confusing the Florida case where a man was paralyzed from a falling object (most likely dropped by a guest) on space mountain. That and the Paris big thunder incident must have merged together in my head and moved to Cali.

 

[Movielover]

I think I was confusing the Florida case where a man was paralyzed from a falling object (most likely dropped by a guest) on space mountain. That and the Paris big thunder incident must have merged together in my head and moved to Cali.

That's like a collage of sadness right there...

 

[raymusiccity]

Ah, yes. There was a time when they could reasonably expect people to get on and off a boat quickly enough to reach that figure.

Today's people, however, for whatever reason, seem incapable of doing so.

But my point was in comparison to Tron, for which I've seen estimates running from just under 1,000 to just over 1,600 per hour.

Your comment regarding slow loading time is really accurate. The average guest seems to be stuck in low gear. It's like the customer in a fast food line not reading the menu until they belly up to the counter!

 

[Kman101]

They are only similar in that both have track, coaster cars, and at least some portion inside. Everything else is different, including the launch, seating, effects and layout.

Exactly. They're entirely different experiences, except both being a coaster. I don't really agree with the panic and worry that SM will be demo'd. I very highly doubt they get rid of the iconic building. The inside? Sure, gut away ...

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Who’s got the panic or the worry? I’m worrying that Tron will take over the subs and autopia in Cali, I’m not concerned in the least with what happens in Florida.

I’m just saying it seems like a logical possibility. Especially since Florida typically has to close an attraction to get a new one.

 

[Kman101]

Who’s got the panic or the worry? I’m worrying that Tron will take over the subs and autopia in Cali, I’m not concerned in the least with what happens in Florida.

I’m just saying it seems like a logical possibility. Especially since Florida typically has to close an attraction to get a new one.

I can understand why you and others feel that way. I just don't think that's the case. But if I'm wrong, I won't be surprised, either.

It's not illogical from a certain perspective. But because TRON "replaced" SM in Shanghai, that doesn't mean it's "replacing" them all, either. We just don't know,, truthfully. I just don't see it "because they're the same". I can see it from the standpoint of "we replace to add" but even then ... guess time will tell.

 

[Mike S]

The version of Space Mountain most similar to the Matterhorn is the original at the Magic Kingdom. Even then, Space Mountain was not the result of “How do we update the Matterhorn?”

Nobody died on Space Mountain at Disneyland nor did the structure fail due to lack of maintenance. The structure failed due to the on-board audio system but failed a few months before expected (the rebuild was already scheduled). The current layout is the same as the original.

Big Thunder Mountain Railroad is the coaster that experienced a fatality and was only recently rebuilt.

Didn’t Matterhorn have a fatality where a woman was thrown from one sled and got hit by an oncoming sled after?

 

[lazyboy97o]

Didn’t Matterhorn have a fatality where a woman was thrown from one sled and got hit by an oncoming sled after?

If I remember correctly, that woman fell out as a result of unbuckling her restraint and standing up. Not quite the same as the Columbia and Big Thunder Mountain Railroad where the guests did nothing wrong.

 

[GlacierGlacier]

Nobody died on Space Mountain at Disneyland...

Nobody died on Space Mountain at Disneyland due to mechanical failure.

Other examples of death and/or serious injury on space mountain at disneyland:

• Death due to blockage in brain/coma after being sent through a second time mistakenly by operators
• Paralysis from the waist down due to teen defying restraints
• Injuries after abrupt stop (mechanical failure)

Big Thunder Mountain Railroad is the coaster that experienced a fatality and was only recently rebuilt.

Incidents at BTMRR @ Disneyland

• Kid lot his toes after getting them wedged between the coaster and the load/unload station
• Derailment due to maintenance failures.

I think I was confusing the Florida case where a man was paralyzed from a falling object (most likely dropped by a guest) on space mountain. That and the Paris big thunder incident must have merged together in my head and moved to Cali.

Florida Incidents:

• Pre-existing heart condition => death (later)
• Man injured by falling object (1998) paralysis and memory loss.
• Give Kids The World kid died on the coaster
• Old man died to heart condition
• Woman died of cardiac arrest due to pre-existing conditions

Paris big thunder:

• Fiberglass rock fell and hurt five guests (2011)
• Two cars derailed, but nobody was severely injured (2011)

Didn’t Matterhorn have a fatality where a woman was thrown from one sled and got hit by an oncoming sled after?

If I remember correctly, that woman fell out as a result of unbuckling her restraint and standing up. Not quite the same as the Columbia and Big Thunder Mountain Railroad where the guests did nothing wrong.

• May, 1964. 15-year old boy stood up and fell out. Died three days later.
• January, 1984. 48-year old woman "thrown from a bobsled car and hit by the next oncoming bobsled." Seatbelt had not been buckled, unclear what caused that to happen in the first place

Spoiler: WARNING: Grisly details about 84 incident. NOT EASY READING.

Woman was thrown from the car and was decapitated, being trapped with her head and chest under the wheels. She was the only person in the ride car at the time. Location is now called Dolly's drop by CMs.

A much more comprehensive list is available at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_incidents_at_Disney_parks

Do note that content in that list is Wikipedia, and to properly use Wikipedia you must check the linked sources. Wikipedia is a reference site, not a source.

 

[No Name]

Would be nice if they spent an extra ten million and gave the track an extra section for a decent overall length. One of the ride’s many problems.

Wikipedia is extremely accurate these days. More accurate than many reputable sources. That being said, it’s always good to double-check information.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Would be nice if they spent an extra ten million and gave the track an extra section for a decent overall length. One of the ride’s many problems.

For anyone but Disney, $10 million easily buys a full coaster’s worth of track.

 

[Lensman]

Would be nice if they spent an extra ten million and gave the track an extra section for a decent overall length. One of the ride’s many problems.

Length isn't everything, or so my wife says.

I wonder what the comparables are for other coasters of this same type? I stress same type because IMHO, launch coasters can be shorter than chain-lift coasters, not just in time but also in track length because I think you should really subtract the lift hill time/distance for chain-lift coasters.

In terms of subjective experience, I wonder if "seeming long" is a good measure? I could see being "over before you know it" as a positive attribute (if it's meant positively).

I do wonder how these things are specified/priced/contracted. Roller Coaster Tycoon is sort of open-ended and ad hoc, but maybe that's because I didn't learn enough about the meta.

 

[larryz]

Length isn't everything, or so my wife says.

Duration, however, IS, and this ride doesn't have that, either*.

* In connection with length. I'm not casting any aspersions on your ... er ... abilities.

 

[justintheharris]

So I recently did a ride similar to Tron in which you lean forward on a bike. As the ride progressed, the bike squeezed my legs tighter and tighter and made for a really uncomfortable experience. Can anyone who's ridden Tron attest to its comfort in regards to restraints?

 

[lazyboy97o]

So I recently did a ride similar to Tron in which you lean forward on a bike. As the ride progressed, the bike squeezed my legs tighter and tighter and made for a really uncomfortable experience. Can anyone who's ridden Tron attest to its comfort in regards to restraints?

It’s pretty comfortable. What coaster did you ride?

 

[Bocabear]

It’s pretty comfortable. What coaster did you ride?

I was on Tron...there are restraints that clamp over your calves...and yes they get pretty tight...the harder you pull back on the handlebars, they tighter they get....

 

[Dr.GrantSeeker]

A thought I had about the Railroad and Tron canopy. According to the concept art the train will go under the canopy. If the train is going to be running under the canopy, how quick till the inside of the canopy is gross from all the smoke that comes from the engine? Has Disney planned for this or is it an overlooked design flaw?