News Tron coaster coming to the Magic Kingdom

Kman101

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trainplane3 said:
I'm pretty sure @marni1971 mentioned it would've gone where Fantasmic is at. So it would've been set back from Sunset at the very least.

I think I get the reason why he's against it. It's a big $$ project for a short ride that could be utilized to improve TL in other ways. Currently everyone sprints over to 7DMT and clogs up NFL, now they'll run to Tron and clog up TL. If there's anything MK needs, it's something to eat the crowds and not just shift them to one part of the park. Or better yet, invest in the abused child park (Epcot) to pull some crowds over there. At the very least, it's a real addition and not another NFL style "expansion".
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I agree with his reasons. I also agree that, at the very least it's an addition. Finally. I'm not saying it's the right choice.

We need more Mermaids (better done of course) and less coasters.

I also get resenting it because it's a clone and not something new.

I just think he knows more that could come down the line and one thing could potentially affect another.

I think both can exist. Should they be in the same land? I don't know. But TRON doesn't fit in DHS to me. It's like saying put it in Animal Kingdom (I'd have put it in Epcot). It just feels out of place. But again, with a different exterior not Tomorrowland-esque, I could get behind it somewhere else. But as a clone, as is, it doesn't belong in DHS.

If two coasters can't exist in Tomorrowland why can two similar coasters exist in DHS?

They weren't putting a Guardians coaster into Tomorrowland because that would be far more compared to Space Mountain. Same for putting Guardians in DHS. It would be too much like Rock 'n' Roller Coaster. I'm not saying I agree with the decisions but I see why they came to them. Again, they're too focused on a coaster. Guardians could have been Tomorrowland's LPS attraction.

Personally I think there's a reason they aren't interested in updating Space Mountain. It's probably got a re-theme laying around somewhere waiting to be dusted off. (We all know they let things die a slow death before gutting them; just saying ... not saying anytime soon, or maybe never, but would it really surprise us at this point?)
 
trainplane3

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Kman101 said:
I agree with his reasons. I also agree that, at the very least it's an addition. Finally. I'm not saying it's the right choice.

We need more Mermaids (better done of course) and less coasters.

I also get resenting it because it's a clone and not something new.

I just think he knows more that could come down the line and one thing could potentially affect another.

I think both can exist. Should they be in the same land? I don't know. But TRON doesn't fit in DHS to me. It's like saying put it in Animal Kingdom (I'd have put it in Epcot). It just feels out of place. But again, with a different exterior not Tomorrowland-esque, I could get behind it somewhere else. But as a clone, as is, it doesn't belong in DHS.

If two coasters can't exist in Tomorrowland why can two similar coasters exist in DHS?

They weren't putting a Guardians coaster into Tomorrowland because that would be far more compared to Space Mountain. Same for putting Guardians in DHS. It would be too much like Rock 'n' Roller Coaster. I'm not saying I agree with the decisions but I see why they came to them. Again, they're too focused on a coaster. Guardians could have been Tomorrowland's LPS attraction.

Personally I think there's a reason they aren't interested in updating Space Mountain. It's probably got a re-theme laying around somewhere waiting to be dusted off. (We all know they let things die a slow death before gutting them; just saying ... not saying anytime soon, or maybe never, but would it really surprise us at this point?)
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If you were hinting at a Tron overlay for SM, then I could get behind that 100% but only if it were temporary. But putting a overlay on the current SM with it's incredibad "Starry-O-Phonic Sound" and questionable track/support status, I'd pass. I'm sure it confuse the general public also, having two "Tron" coasters next to each other.

On topic of SM overlays, I plan on doing MNSSHP this year just to witness this (and enjoy the short lines overall): "On Space Mountain, explorers will hurtle through deep space as a new soundtrack and special effects transform the adventure. Can Space Mountain seriously get any better?". I'm planning on a disappointment but who knows.

I agree with both being in MK. I love coasters and all, but I wish there was "more" to MK's Tron. I'm not sure what "more" I'd want, but "more" of something to make it slightly unique when compared to Shanghai.
 
Kman101

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trainplane3 said:
If you were hinting at a Tron overlay for SM, then I could get behind that 100% but only if it were temporary. But putting a overlay on the current SM with it's incredibad "Starry-O-Phonic Sound" and questionable track/support status, I'd pass. I'm sure it confuse the general public also, having two "Tron" coasters next to each other.

On topic of SM overlays, I plan on doing MNSSHP this year just to witness this (and enjoy the short lines overall): "On Space Mountain, explorers will hurtle through deep space as a new soundtrack and special effects transform the adventure. Can Space Mountain seriously get any better?". I'm planning on a disappointment but who knows.

I agree with both being in MK. I love coasters and all, but I wish there was "more" to MK's Tron. I'm not sure what "more" I'd want, but "more" of something to make it slightly unique when compared to Shanghai.
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I agree with you. I'm not really defending it. Just saying I understand it. Don't like it, but I get it.

I also agree with why it's resented as coming. But I don't think it's going to be as compared by the average guest as some think. They won't think it's "two Space Mountains", IMHO. We often think how we think is how everyone else thinks. "Surely I think because it's two Space Mountains everyone else will" but I don't think so. It's no secret though that SM needs an overhaul. Why not kill two birds with one stone? Put in an IP and update the ride at the same time. Of course we all know and agree that "Space Mountain" itself is an IP and a renewed attraction would garner interest but do they think that way? I really don't know.

Not saying TRON overlay to Space Mountain. We know they have an IP mandate. Why wouldn't it be so out of the realm to retheme it? I'm not calling for it or asking for it but I'm thinking how they would. They didn't "need" to overlay Screamin'. They didn't "need" TRON but here we are. If they see it as Space Mountain replacement like tsome of you do then I have to imagine putting an IP in there has crossed their minds.

I think Martin has the concerns we all do on why it's there, even if I don't totally begrudge it, but I feel like Space Mountain's in jeopardy. I'd like to be told it's not. lol. I just think, again, he knows what they're thinking long-term (even if it's not greenlit) so I feel like he wants to just shout that we should get our last rides in but who knows ... lol. I'm just making guesses trying to figure out what they're doing but when even they don't seem to know what they're doing ...
 
trainplane3

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Kman101 said:
I'm just making guesses trying to figure out what they're doing but when even they don't seem to know what they're doing ...
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Aaaahh, the American way of doing things. Throwing a bunch of crap at a wall and seeing what sticks. :p

Sometimes I feel the same way with how things are done there.
 
Kman101

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trainplane3 said:
Aaaahh, the American way of doing things. Throwing a bunch of crap at a wall and seeing what sticks. :p

Sometimes I feel the same way with how things are done there.
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Which is why it's not difficult to think of what could be done. Not saying any of it will be but if you think like a cost-saving IP-wanting executive mixed with WDI likely wanting to do things right ... you get what we're getting. And I think the plan could also be to "reuse and recycle".

And yep, it's exactly how it feels like things are done. I fully believe they have "plans", long-term "goals", so one project is a step for a bigger project (at least that's how it should be) but we know how these things work. Money falls through, plans change. Sometimes for the better. In our case, usually for the worse. Like with the FOX thing. Of course we get investment and now have it threatened. It never fails.

I'm just bracing myself for overlays and hoping for some gold in what could be a lot of ... dirt. Pixar Pier feels like just the start. We'll get some gold mixed with some not so shiny objects.
 
Kman101

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scud said:
Tron and Space Mountain are 2 completely different animals. Sure, they're both coasters, but they're very different.
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You'll be told repeatedly they aren't so be ready. LOL. I agree with you though. They're different enough to be able to exist next to each other, despite what some think, but it's all just our own opinion. The average guest will love having two coasters, they won't care if it was meant to be Shanghai's Space Mountain replacement.

I completely understand and agree with why people are against it right now (and many just hate clones in general, which I also get), but for the ride itself I'm not unhappy. I just wish they were spending the money elsewhere and then adding TRON. But it is what it is. At least it's an expansion. If I spent too much time wishing they'd do things differently I'd never be happy (which I was starting to do recently) so I try to find some middle ground when I can. It works for me. For me, just because I'd maybe prefer something different doesn't mean I hate what's coming. I'm sort in the middle on TRON.

I would have preferred a dark ride (same for Guardians), but, again, it is what it is. Not a TRON dark ride, but a Tomorrowland themed dark ride. I know. Pipe dream.
 
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P_Radden

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IF Tron had to go in TL, it could have and should have been an unique attraction not ANOTHER indoor coaster directly adjacent to.... an indoor coaster. @marni1971 is dead right on this one.

The Guardians coaster should be an Energy focused attraction at the very least. No need for Guardians IP at all here, but wth, it'll sell merchandise right? :banghead:

Yeah I'm excited for fresh experiences coming to WDW, but I wish these new attractions and improvements would add to the parks, not replace existing attractions. And I can't help but think with Tron coming to TL, SM's days are numbered even more-so now.. Now management will have to make the case of putting $$$ into maintaining it (which they've been doing the minimum already the last decade or so) while there's a big shiny new one next door, vs letting it go for a few more years then leveling it. I hope this isn't going to be the case.
 
Kman101

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IMDREW said:
Guardians should have been an overlay to buzz or rock n roller coaster. And imo the tron canopy would have fitted beautiful somewhere in future world.
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TRON really belonged in Future World. I'd have hated a Guardians LPS ride a little less than a coaster. But Guardians belongs in Tomorrowland and TRON in Future World.
 
Kman101

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marni1971 said:
It’s a movie. So it fits in a park about movies.
It’s futuristic. So it fits in a land themed on tomorrow.

Apparently.
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lol.

That sounds about right :joyfull::hilarious:

I was trying to make sense of what they may do this past week but man, so many awful ideas come to mind I want to shove my head in a hole and just hope for the best.

If they don't even know what they're doing (even if they have a plan they sure act like they have no clue) how can anyone else figure it out? LOL

EDIT: So basically they wanted TRON cloned and didn't care how they went about doing it. And then they wanted a coaster in Epcot and so on and so forth. Shame they're so focused on the coaster aspect.
 
Kman101

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trainplane3 said:
It's futuristic? Man, if only there was some kind of "Future World" place for it to fit into. Next thing you'll say is they're putting a comic book movie into a park that isn't about movies. That's some crazy talk.
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:hilarious:

The problem I have though is just because it's a movie park, you can't really just shove everything in there. But when the theme is so loose I guess I can't fault them. Their problem was wanting an "easy clone" and then realizing Tomorrowland was really the only place for it. Shame. I don't begrudge it there but the money should have gone elsewhere right now. It'd fit the best in Future World. I said that from the start. If they wanted a coaster in Epcot SO bad. It would have been much more fitting.
 

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