lazyboy97o
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You don’t sell thousands of timeshares to first time visitors.
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News Tron coaster coming to the Magic Kingdom
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BlakeW39
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People really need to get that "once in a lifetime" theory out of their heads tbh. The vast majority of people that go to Disney will or have been multiple times.
peter11435
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I think you’d be surprised how many first time visitors there are at WDW but the number is not nearly as high as some seem to believe.
Pi on my Cake
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Once in a lifetime is definitely a stretch. Once a decade isn't. But with the DVC and AP focus WDW has been trying to court the locals and the once every other year crowd more and more. But the once a decade or so or is still very strong and stronger here than out west.
phillip9698
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Even if you go to once every 5-10 years or so that's large enough of a time frame where you wouldn't want to visit during a time when headliners are closed to either set up or take down overlays.
I'm sure Disney has the numbers on how many locals visit the park and how many people make annual trips though so if they deem that they could pick up more money by having more seasonal type ride setups they will make it happen.
Sorry but a Haunted Mansion overlay is not going to justify the cost in terms of bringing new guests to the property the way it would in Anaheim. It may pull guests from other areas of the resort but it's just not the kind of thing someone is going to plan a trip around. They know this. They've done much research.
The other thing which is a factor and part of their "official" line as to why they don't do these things: Your average guest saves up 3+ years for a trip to Walt Disney World. Many come only once or twice in their lifetime. When they come, Disney believes, they want to see The Haunted Mansion or Space Mountain, as intended. They'd be disappointed to see cheap holiday overlays from something they'd waited, essentially, their whole lives to see. This also doesn't account for, as others have said, the extended downtime for adding such overlays.
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Sorry but this is just factually incorrect. Disneyland has over 1.5M annual passholders alone, most of whom come the moment something new is available, no matter how small. Additionally, the localized audience allows people to plan a trip in as little as a week or two out. These are new, spending guests. In Florida, it takes a much different kind of advertising campaign to make people book a trip when they previously weren't planning one. Sure new attractions can be a draw to pull people from one park to the other (see: Pandora), but that doesn't necessary translate to an increase in paying guests.
This is just the simple fact of how they operate as a business.
BlakeW39
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I'm not saying there aren't first time visitors - there's s first time for everything. What I'm saying is that WDW has a majority guest return rate. So once in a lifetime visitors are a minority. But the majority are also not going every one or two years. Of course once in a decade visitors are common. But once a guest is here, that doesn't mean they're doing all the parks. It is important for WDW to continue to add to their parks so that a guest deems it worthy of their precious vacation time.
Allow me to present an example. So a group of 5 goes WDW in 2012. They are choosing their parks for the trip and automatically choose Magic Kingdom. They then choose Epcot. After this, they search for their third and final park. After careful review, they decide Islands of Adventure for its recent Harry Potter land. They decided this because of Harry Potter and Islands of Adventure's great - and increasingly so - attraction roster. They go again in 2022. This time they do Magic Kingdom once again, but instead of Epcot they do Animal Kingdom and Hollywood Studios for their new Pandor and Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge lands.
See what I mean? Just because they go ti Orlando doesn't mean they'll do all of the parks, so it is important that all of the parks remain relevant and with large attraction selections. So new additions matter to those guests that only come once in a decade.
Also I'm not implying that guests don't care about ride closing. I was saying they do care about the parks having plenty of stuff to do. If they add more attractions, ride shutdowns won't be as big a deal because there will be so much for them to enjoy, one thing off of the list won't make much a difference, because remember, for once every decade guests, they won't care as much about a specific attraction unless it is vital to the park functioning, which no attraction should be aside from a very select few icons.
Also we must keep in mind that the majority of thse once in a decade guests won't even know about ride closings so it won't make much a difference for them.
Plus, even including the guests that go less often, they have far less pull on WDW. Sure, many guests might go once in a decade, but many guests also go five times in a decade - and they, to Disney, are worth five timea more than the latter.
BlakeW39
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Nothing I stated was factually incorrect... because I stated no such facts. Nor did I say WDW had more annual passholders than DL. I said that guests care about more attractions added as most will return... which does involve major events rather than minor ones. What are you even claiming as i correct? None of what you said contradicted what I did.
Biff215
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Not necessarily according to how WDW has operated in the past few years. They are after the “once in a lifetime” guest who will potentially shell out thousands more than the savvy guest who visits every year. The various upcharge events are one such indicator. Most regular guests know you don’t need to pay $79/adult to ride Frozen and get some cupcakes, but Disney knows the first timers will jump all over it.
I agree with you that Disney should be upgrading all four parks regularly to encourage return visitors, and perhaps what we’re seeing now is a return to that strategy, but they have been catering to the one time big spender for a while now.
BlakeW39
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I mean the once in a lifetime guests are more ignorant (in the nicest way possible). I think they are trying to convert people over as more regular guests by finding those that haven't been. I don't think care more about a guest that spends lot once rather than a guest which spend slightly less on six separate occasions.
So, it's settled: TRON isn't getting a Christmas or Halloween overlay.
Anything else anyone knows or can say about TRON?
Anything else anyone knows or can say about TRON?
trainplane3
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It's blue.
It goes fast.
It's shiny.
It's short.
It has beepy boopy music.
It looks like a amoeba.
It has pretty lights.
It has lightcycles that go vroom vroom.
It's director hasn't been part of a controversy.
It costs lots and lots of freedom bucks.
Did I cover everything?
BlakeW39
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You missed the part that it has a pretty white canopy ;D
trainplane3
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Eh, I think you could fit that underneath "looks like a amoeba". It'll be interesting to see how it looks in person next to SM when its completed. There's going to be two very different styles of "future" buildings sitting next to each other.
A blue amoeba crawling out of a very large white box.
trainplane3
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I knew I forgot to add something to my list...
-It has a giant white-ish blue box.
Aaaaaaaaaand.... it's short. In fact, the ride is so short...
That's your cue: everyone ask, out loud, "HOW SHORT IS IT?"
The ride is so short that it will take many people longer to finish reading this post than it takes to complete the ride.
