Transformative Multi-Year Expansion Announced for WDS Paris

Animaniac93-98

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Just a bit of facade extension here would go a long way in plussing this corner of the park

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The department store false front doesn't look so good from this angle

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And it would hide the unflattering restroom side of the Animation building

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A proper store with a nice interior would be even better, but I don't think that's possible without sacrificing most of the outdoor queue for Animation
 

MerlinTheGoat

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I actually wonder if Scar and the hyenas will even be in the ride, save perhaps for a shadow projection ala Gaston and the angry mob. There's been a annoying trend in recent years where villains have been absent or heavily sidelined from kids rides based off animated films.

Dr Facilier didn't make it into Tiana, Hans is only in Tokyo's Frozen ride and not any of the other three variants. And his villain moments are relegated to two very crudely and poorly implemented video screens (shockingly bad compared to the quality of the rest of the ride i'll add). Mother Gothel isn't in Tokyo's Tangled ride at all. Gaston and the angry mob are shadow projections shoved into the background of a brief transitional scene. Then there are examples such as California's Snow White ride (which used to be almost identical to Paris') receiving an overhaul that significantly brightened the entire attraction up, removed a lot of the scary scenes and setpieces and drastically toned down the scenes with the Witch.

That said, these are all princess rides and Disney were trying to make them appeal more specifically and exclusively towards little girls (a mistake, but one I won't get into here). So I wonder how they will handle an IP that arguably has more of a male-centric appeal such as Lion King. Captain Hook is still given a prominent role in newer Peter Pan attractions, an IP that attracts a more gender neutral to male-leaning demographic. Though Hook is much more of a silly and not all all scary comic relief than a lot of other classic villains. Scar and even the hyenas are very different, they stand among some of Disney's most most violent and dark animated villains. Even their more comical moments are tinted with extremely dark and violent overtones.
 

Gusey

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I actually wonder if Scar and the hyenas will even be in the ride, save perhaps for a shadow projection ala Gaston and the angry mob. There's been a annoying trend in recent years where villains have been absent or heavily sidelined from kids rides based off animated films.

Dr Facilier didn't make it into Tiana, Hans is only in Tokyo's Frozen ride and not any of the other three variants. And his villain moments are relegated to two very crudely and poorly implemented video screens (shockingly bad compared to the quality of the rest of the ride i'll add). Mother Gothel isn't in Tokyo's Tangled ride at all. Gaston and the angry mob are shadow projections shoved into the background of a brief transitional scene. Then there are examples such as California's Snow White ride (which used to be almost identical to Paris') receiving an overhaul that significantly brightened the entire attraction up, removed a lot of the scary scenes and setpieces and drastically toned down the scenes with the Witch.

That said, these are all princess rides and Disney were trying to make them appeal more specifically and exclusively towards little girls (a mistake, but one I won't get into here). So I wonder how they will handle an IP that arguably has more of a male-centric appeal such as Lion King. Captain Hook is still given a prominent role in newer Peter Pan attractions, an IP that attracts a more gender neutral to male-leaning demographic. Though Hook is much more of a silly and not all all scary comic relief than a lot of other classic villains. Scar and even the hyenas are very different, they stand among some of Disney's most most violent and dark animated villains. Even their more comical moments are tinted with extremely dark and violent overtones.
Tiana's and Frozen Ever After justify the lack of villain by setting the attraction after the movie. Lion King is a book report ride so will likely feature Scar, especially with how integral Scar is to the plot
 

mrflo

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I actually wonder if Scar and the hyenas will even be in the ride, save perhaps for a shadow projection ala Gaston and the angry mob. There's been a annoying trend in recent years where villains have been absent or heavily sidelined from kids rides based off animated films.
In addition to what Gusey mentioned, WDI recently invited Andreas Deja—the animator who created Scar—to review the concepts and models for the new ride. Of course, this isn’t a direct confirmation. Still, he doesn’t exactly look like someone who was just told his character wouldn’t be appearing.



By the way, any thoughts on what we might expect from the restaurant in terms of theme and views? Do you think it could be integrated into the ride, like Captain Jack’s (formerly Blue Lagoon) at Pirates, with boats floating by? Maybe it’ll be set in a jungle environment?
 

nickys

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By the way, any thoughts on what we might expect from the restaurant in terms of theme and views? Do you think it could be integrated into the ride, like Captain Jack’s (formerly Blue Lagoon) at Pirates, with boats floating by? Maybe it’ll be set in a jungle environment?
You don't find jungles alongside the savannas.
 

BrianLo

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Just a bit of facade extension here would go a long way in plussing this corner of the park

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The department store false front doesn't look so good from this angle

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And it would hide the unflattering restroom side of the Animation building

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A proper store with a nice interior would be even better, but I don't think that's possible without sacrificing most of the outdoor queue for Animation

If Animation shell was instead like Carthay-esque, that would be ideal.

I think that little swath (with genie spinner) other than Alice is probably the highest priority to up the ante on the quality of the park.
 

BrianLo

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I have generally turned for some reason on this project. I couldn’t figure out why. But I really think they’ve been plugging away at it… how long it has been aside.

It’s all the placemaking along the avenue and the lake with a shift to a unique land for the park. It’s silly, because objectively they aren’t breaking the bank on the changes. But they all feel unifying.

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nickys

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I was more thinking about it from the angle of which scenes might appear in general as potential settings for the restaurant. But I get your point. What do you think the setting will be?

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Do we know for sure this is happening? I hadn’t even registered that there was going to be a TS restaurant included!

I don’t really see how it would fit. Both Pirates and Remy have a story whereby seeing diners from the ride makes sense. LK doesn’t involve any humans, so unless the glass is one way I don’t see how it would fit. If it is a case of one way glass then, from the ride pov , maybe they’re just floating through a cave?
 

Gusey

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Do we know for sure this is happening? I hadn’t even registered that there was going to be a TS restaurant included!

I don’t really see how it would fit. Both Pirates and Remy have a story whereby seeing diners from the ride makes sense. LK doesn’t involve any humans, so unless the glass is one way I don’t see how it would fit. If it is a case of one way glass then, from the ride pov , maybe they’re just floating through a cave?
From the model, it looks like any restaurants and shops would be located in the showbuilding structure and the announcement mentioned restaurants and shops. Just nothing mentioned about a table service restaurant
 

nickys

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From the model, it looks like any restaurants and shops would be located in the showbuilding structure and the announcement mentioned restaurants and shops. Just nothing mentioned about a table service restaurant
Thanks. So it could be more like The Land at Epcot, rather than Remy or Captain Jack’s.

I just don’t see that a set up like those two makes sense thematically.
 

mrflo

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I guess we’ll find out soon how the dining facility will be integrated into the building once the blueprints for the permits become available. My earlier point about whether it would be part of the ride itself or just share the building was more of a question than a statement.

I completely agree that the question of what role humans play in the land is an important one. While having boats float by the restaurant might create a beautiful atmosphere, it wouldn’t necessarily fit the storyline. That just makes me even more curious about how the shops and dining facilities will be woven into the story of the new land overall.
 

nickys

Premium Member
I guess we’ll find out soon how the dining facility will be integrated into the building once the blueprints for the permits become available. My earlier point about whether it would be part of the ride itself or just share the building was more of a question than a statement.

I completely agree that the question of what role humans play in the land is an important one. While having boats float by the restaurant might create a beautiful atmosphere, it wouldn’t necessarily fit the storyline. That just makes me even more curious about how the shops and dining facilities will be woven into the story of the new land overall.
Shops and restaurants don’t need to be “woven into the story” as such.
Hakunah Matata bistro and Timon’s Boutique work by name alone.
 

Sir_Cliff

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If Animation shell was instead like Carthay-esque, that would be ideal.

I think that little swath (with genie spinner) other than Alice is probably the highest priority to up the ante on the quality of the park.
I'm hoping that there is at least a germ of an idea that somewhere down the track they could demolish the Animation building and replace it with something else. It's a reasonable amount of space, so I would think there would be lots of potential ranging from dining and retail to a dark ride. They could also demolish the facades and terrace on the other side at the same time and turn it into some kind of cohesive beginning to the long boulevard.

As for the Genie spinner, they just spruced it up so I guess it's also hanging around for the medium-term.
 

mrflo

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Shops and restaurants don’t need to be “woven into the story” as such.
Hakunah Matata bistro and Timon’s Boutique work by name alone.

Yeah, totally get what you’re saying. But honestly, they’ve done a pretty good job in the newer lands like Pandora and Galaxy’s Edge, where the shops and restaurants feel like a real part of that world, not just something stuck in. Even if the connection is pretty light sometimes, it still keeps the whole vibe together. That said, The Lion King might be a bit trickier to pull off in the same way, so maybe they will keep it simpler like you suggested. Wouldn’t really be a shock.
 

nickys

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Yeah, totally get what you’re saying. But honestly, they’ve done a pretty good job in the newer lands like Pandora and Galaxy’s Edge, where the shops and restaurants feel like a real part of that world, not just something stuck in. Even if the connection is pretty light sometimes, it still keeps the whole vibe together. That said, The Lion King might be a bit trickier to pull off in the same way, so maybe they will keep it simpler like you suggested. Wouldn’t really be a shock.
It would be much easier to pull off a thematic fit by not having them in the show building. And I assumed that’s what they’d do, more like what they’ve done in Animal Kingdom. For me it’s disappointing they’re going to be in the show building, because that 100% won’t fit the LK theme. To my mind the show building should be totally disguised and the shops and restaurants themed to fit the plains of Africa.
 

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