Transformative Multi-Year Expansion Announced for WDS Paris

TrainsOfDisney

TrainsOfDisney

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Centauri Space Station said:
How is DHS messier than DCA? Atleast it has a theme rooted in hollywood from classics to films while DCA is supposed to be about California and has random stuff like Avengers and pixar pier.
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yeah… they both have gotten worse in recent years. Overall I still think DCA is a better and more complete park. It seems cleaner design wise with the big visual issue being guardians. But things are still grouped more sensibly and there are so many more attractions.
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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nickys said:
I believe he had the idea of creating a new theme park in the swamplands of Florida. And set about buying up land to do so.

And the history I’ve read suggest he had a vision for MK, including differences between DL and Magic Kingdom for Fantasyland.

Are you saying he didn’t want any duplication between the two parks? That it was Ron who redesigned Walt’s vision and insisted they have a Castle in the middle surrounded by Lands etc ?
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He agreed to do a second theme park in Florida but that was about it. When asked about it he said it wouldn’t be like Disneyland and that he wouldn’t really be that involved in developing the park because WED would be able to handle that. His focus was on EPCOT.

No actual design work on the park occurred during his lifetime. The Disney World master plan just used a placeholder copy of Disneyland (and no, that isn’t an indication of intent unless you believe the second park at Universal Beijing is going to be Universal Studios Florida). Roy didn’t redesign Walt’s vision because there was nothing to redesign.
 
nickys

nickys

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lazyboy97o said:
He agreed to do a second theme park in Florida but that was about it. When asked about it he said it wouldn’t be like Disneyland and that he wouldn’t really be that involved in developing the park because WED would be able to handle that. His focus was on EPCOT.

No actual design work on the park occurred during his lifetime. The Disney World master plan just used a placeholder copy of Disneyland (and no, that isn’t an indication of intent unless you believe the second park at Universal Beijing is going to be Universal Studios Florida). Roy didn’t redesign Walt’s vision because there was nothing to redesign.
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lazyboy97o said:
He agreed to do a second theme park in Florida but that was about it. When asked about it he said it wouldn’t be like Disneyland and that he wouldn’t really be that involved in developing the park because WED would be able to handle that. His focus was on EPCOT.

No actual design work on the park occurred during his lifetime. The Disney World master plan just used a placeholder copy of Disneyland (and no, that isn’t an indication of intent unless you believe the second park at Universal Beijing is going to be Universal Studios Florida). Roy didn’t redesign Walt’s vision because there was nothing to redesign.
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So in your view this website is a load of crock then? It goes into quite a lot of detail as to the changes he envisaged in MK.

worldofwalt.com

The Original Plan for Disney World

Everything from the parks to the resorts were supposed to be very different!
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marni1971

marni1971

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nickys said:
So in your view this website is a load of crock then? It goes into quite a lot of detail as to the changes he envisaged in MK.

worldofwalt.com

The Original Plan for Disney World

Everything from the parks to the resorts were supposed to be very different!
worldofwalt.com worldofwalt.com
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To say that’s what Walt wanted could be stretching it. When he died plans for the “theme park” were barely off the ground. He personally didn’t originally want one; his aim was E.P.C.O.T. but was persuaded a second Disneyland was needed for revenue.
 
nickys

nickys

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marni1971 said:
To say that’s what Walt wanted could be stretching it. When he died plans for the “theme park” were barely off the ground. He personally didn’t originally want one; his aim was E.P.C.O.T. but was persuaded a second Disneyland was needed for revenue.
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Interesting, thanks Martin.

So it does then raise the question: when they talk about Mary Poppins replacing Peter Pan, Thunder Mesa and so on, much of which didn’t happen obviously, whose ideas / visions were those?

Was it a case of Walt saying “OK, fine, if we have to have a Castle park then this is my suggestion”?

Or the ideas of other designers?
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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nickys said:
So in your view this website is a load of crock then? It goes into quite a lot of detail as to the changes he envisaged in MK.

worldofwalt.com

The Original Plan for Disney World

Everything from the parks to the resorts were supposed to be very different!
worldofwalt.com worldofwalt.com
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Yes. It doesn’t actually go into detail. It’s a bunch of bits of stories that have been that all vaguely come from about the late 60s. The one attributed detail is from 1968. Which is the common theme with these stories, this or that supposedly came from Walt, but nobody mentions the dates because they don’t match up. And yes, that means the story about not finishing Walt’s apartment in Cinderella Castle is also not true.

Go rewatch the EPCOT Film. They cranked out tons of art and drawings for EPCOT and the industrial park. He could have had Herb Ryman crank something out in a couple of days like with Disneyland but he didn’t. Ryman did some of the earliest art for Cinderella Castle but it was in 1967.

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The Ryman Centennial: A Whole New Disney World

Herbert Ryman was working on Disneyland projects right up to the time of Walt’s death in 1966, doing quite a bit of artwork for both the New Orleans Square and New Tomorrowland expansions. It…
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Behind The Masterpiece, 1967

Fans of Imagineering will no doubt recognize this artwork by the great Herb Ryman; said to be the first painting of Walt Disney World’s Cinderella Castle, it became an iconic image during the…
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nickys said:
Interesting, thanks Martin.

So it does then raise the question: when they talk about Mary Poppins replacing Peter Pan, Thunder Mesa and so on, much of which didn’t happen obviously, whose ideas / visions were those?

Was it a case of Walt saying “OK, fine, if we have to have a Castle park then this is my suggestion”?

Or the ideas of other designers?
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Just as Walt planned, it came from WED.
 
marni1971

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
nickys said:
Interesting, thanks Martin.

So it does then raise the question: when they talk about Mary Poppins replacing Peter Pan, Thunder Mesa and so on, much of which didn’t happen obviously, whose ideas / visions were those?

Was it a case of Walt saying “OK, fine, if we have to have a Castle park then this is my suggestion”?

Or the ideas of other designers?
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By April 1968 the Fantasyland attractions we know had been firmed up, although other parts of the park were yet to be designed. A lot of early planning was done by WED in 1967 but it was a game of moving goal posts even into 1970.
 

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