Toy Story Land expansion announced for Disney's Hollywood Studios

disnyfan89

Well-Known Member
Should have opened last summer. Six Flags and Cedar Fair can build these sorts of things in six months.

Their parks are also often seasonal and are closed during the majority of the construction process allowing them to work quicker and more efficiently than a park that operates 365 days a year and therefore will have limitation on their construction schedule.
 

Jones14

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The issue isn’t that Toy Story Land’s construction is too slow, it’s that it started too late. It could have opened with Avatar if they had started construction when they announced it, but they waited almost a full year to start on both it and Star Wars Land.

Star Wars even has a better excuse than Toy Story, because they were still running Lights, Motors, Action just days before work began. The Backlot Tour sat empty for a year and a half.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
Their parks are also often seasonal and are closed during the majority of the construction process allowing them to work quicker and more efficiently than a park that operates 365 days a year and therefore will have limitation on their construction schedule.
This excuse just doesn’t hold up. It completely ignores the context of Toy Story Land, a wide open site on the back of the park. There is no need to accommodate operations in the area.

The issue isn’t that Toy Story Land’s construction is too slow, it’s that it started too late. It could have opened with Avatar if they had started construction when they announced it, but they waited almost a full year to start on both it and Star Wars Land.
It is slow. A roller coaster can go from initial idea to opening day in the time spent building this land. They waited to start construction because Disney approves and often announces projects early in the design process. New attractions are announced well before anyone has even started on the construction documents.
 

Jones14

Well-Known Member
This excuse just doesn’t hold up. It completely ignores the context of Toy Story Land, a wide open site on the back of the park. There is no need to accommodate operations in the area.


It is slow. A roller coaster can go from initial idea to opening day in the time spent building this land. They waited to start construction because Disney approves and often announces projects early in the design process. New attractions are announced well before anyone has even started on the construction documents.
It’s certainly slow by outside standards, but not by Disney’s. It’s coming in around (a little over) two years, which is downright fast for them. Which is why they should have started building in 2015; the park needed the land last year far more than it does at this moment.
 

disnyfan89

Well-Known Member
This excuse just doesn’t hold up. It completely ignores the context of Toy Story Land, a wide open site on the back of the park. There is no need to accommodate operations in the area.
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A very simplified excuse that doesn't factor in the impact to utility lines, backstage operations, the fact the site is located off the parks one and only service road, involved the relocation of several backstage facilities, required the alteration/removal of several in park routes/soundstages/queue lines etc.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
It’s certainly slow by outside standards, but not by Disney’s. It’s coming in around (a little over) two years, which is downright fast for them. Which is why they should have started building in 2015; the park needed the land last year far more than it does at this moment.
The big problem is Disney's protracted time frames and exorbitant costs for what they are getting.

A very simplified excuse that doesn't factor in the impact to utility lines, backstage operations, the fact the site is located off the parks one and only service road, involved the relocation of several backstage facilities, required the alteration/removal of several in park routes/soundstages/queue lines etc.
All of those activities were done before the land itself got underway. They weren't trying to build the coaster around ongoing demolition and facility relocations, they happened sequentially.
 

disnyfan89

Well-Known Member
The big problem is Disney's protracted time frames and exorbitant costs for what they are getting.


All of those activities were done before the land itself got underway. They weren't trying to build the coaster around ongoing demolition and facility relocations, they happened sequentially.

Well the coaster is built and we have already seen footage of it running so Im failing to see your point I guess?
 

lazyboy97o

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Well the coaster is built and we have already seen footage of it running so Im failing to see your point I guess?
The point is that it took Disney a long time to assemble the coaster. This land is one coaster and one flat ride, it easily could have been built in a year. It is the sort of thing others can design and build in less time than it took of this to be built.
 

disnyfan89

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The point is that it took Disney a long time to assemble the coaster. This land is one coaster and one flat ride, it easily could have been built in a year. It is the sort of thing others can design and build in less time than it took of this to be built.

Well going back to your original argument it only took Disney a little over a month to put the Slinky Dog Track together with them starting in Mid June and the circuit being completed in mid July. So i'd say that is pretty quick and on par with other coaster projects around the world.

As for the claim that the land is taking too long, well you can refer back to my original post above which once again was simply pointing out that other parks who close down for 6 months of the year can build things fast cause well, they're closed...
 

mikejs78

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Well going back to your original argument it only took Disney a little over a month to put the Slinky Dog Track together with them starting in Mid June and the circuit being completed in mid July. So i'd say that is pretty quick and on par with other coaster projects around the world.

As for the claim that the land is taking too long, well you can refer back to my original post above which once again was simply pointing out that other parks who close down for 6 months of the year can build things fast cause well, they're closed...
And honestly Disney does more detail work than most other parks.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
Well going back to your original argument it only took Disney a little over a month to put the Slinky Dog Track together with them starting in Mid June and the circuit being completed in mid July. So i'd say that is pretty quick and on par with other coaster projects around the world.

As for the claim that the land is taking too long, well you can refer back to my original post above which once again was simply pointing out that other parks who close down for 6 months of the year can build things fast cause well, they're closed...
In what world did the coaster only take a month? And again, the land is in a closed part of the park. This is a dedicated construction site of over ten acres. Lots of room and nobody else to work around.

And honestly Disney does more detail work than most other parks.
The ornament is large props.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
As for the claim that the land is taking too long, well you can refer back to my original post above which once again was simply pointing out that other parks who close down for 6 months of the year can build things fast cause well, they're closed...
This site may as well be in a closed park. The location doesn’t mean the time taken has any merit.

It’s an isolated site with perfect backstage access.
 

danlb_2000

Premium Member
Well going back to your original argument it only took Disney a little over a month to put the Slinky Dog Track together with them starting in Mid June and the circuit being completed in mid July. So i'd say that is pretty quick and on par with other coaster projects around the world.

As for the claim that the land is taking too long, well you can refer back to my original post above which once again was simply pointing out that other parks who close down for 6 months of the year can build things fast cause well, they're closed...

You timeline isn't accurate. Track installation tool at least 2 months, probably more like 2 1/2 months. Other less visible work probably continues after that. Ride vehicle was first seen on the track at least 4 months after the track assembly started. As has been discussed many times here, Disney routinely builds at the pace the want to build at, not the pace that could build at.

5/6/2017 - Track footers are seen well under way, so these likely started mid April.
5/28/2017 - Track is well under way so probably started mid May.
8/1/2017 - Last piece of track is set.
8/30/2017 - Ride vehicle arrives.
9/28/2017 - First pictures of pull through testing.
1/6/2018 - First free run testing is observed.
 

Marlins1

Well-Known Member
I’m sure the area could have opened earlier. I’m doubtful that spreading cost over time was the reason in this case. My bet is that they wanted or maybe even had to give Pandora a one year exclusive as the major new park addition.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
Guys they were never gonna open TSL the same year as Pandora, surely everyone can understand why they would have Pandora open one year and then TSL the next and then SWGE the next. Bad business if you open all at once.
Exactly. Slow construction down in a park that needs all the capacity it can get so marketing have something to talk about.
 

smile

Well-Known Member
You timeline isn't accurate. Track installation tool at least 2 months, probably more like 2 1/2 months. Other less visible work probably continues after that. Ride vehicle was first seen on the track at least 4 months after the track assembly started. As has been discussed many times here, Disney routinely builds at the pace the want to build at, not the pace that could build at.

8/1/2017 - Last piece of track is set.
8/30/2017 - Ride vehicle arrives.
9/28/2017 - First pictures of pull through testing.
1/6/2018 - First free run testing is observed.

code blue at a cedar fair or six flags - and i'm not even necessarily counting the longest proposed gap

Disney routinely builds at the pace the want to build at, not the pace that could build at.

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