Toy Story Land expansion announced for Disney's Hollywood Studios

Rodan75

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It does, but if Doctor Strange is allowed to be used in the parks, I'm guessing that the "relationship" families has been better defined. While many of the Black Panther characters exist in the comics, Doctor Strange can also be connected back to the Avengers as well. This is purely speculative on my part, but I don't think it's unfounded.

I agree with you...I wish the character addendum was included in the contract that we can see. That would have resolved many questions through the years.

Edited to add: I think the only reason they didn't try a BP meet in greet in WDW was because 1. they didn't think BP was going to be this big and 2. they didn't want to poke the comcast bear while they were in regulatory approval on Fox.
 
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JediMasterMatt

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I've been way to busy recently with work to post much; but, I wouldn't let a golden opportunity to share a story or two (that until reading the last few posts brought suddenly back to my memory) pass me by.

Disaster Transport.

Having spent two of the best summers of my life working at the Point, I now have 100% crystal clear recollection of two things about the artist formally known as Avalanche Run.

- When you sign up to work at CP, if you are "lucky" enough to have your school schedule get you out early to come to the Point before the season starts, you get "drafted" into all sorts of spring cleaning/maintenance activities. Sometimes those are tons of fun (like say riding Magnum XL-200 for hours on end to help train the ride crew). Sometimes those activities approach Dante's Inferno rings of the underworld levels of monotony. One such activity was having the "joy" of riding Disaster Transport for an entire afternoon OVER and OVER again. When I mean over and over... I mean as in never getting out. We got to stay in from the unload platform to the load platform - you just simply had to duck your head as you went underneath the hanging fabric separating the two sections. I'll never look at the foamy chamois section of an automated car wash the same way again.

- the 2nd DISpatchmASTER Transport memory I have is going to have to be told in a very PC family friendly manner. Back in the 90's CP had this notion that separating the males and females from working the same attraction as the other would be a great way to cut down on fraternization (editor's note - it didn't). So, you'd end up with one ride being all girls and another being all boys. Intamin's bobsled coaster fell under the jurisdiction of the ladies. To play the part in this highly themed immersive landmark attraction, they go to wear a very fashionable orangeish jumpsuit - tres sci-fi. As most garments in the seasonable theme park business, the uniforms eventually get a significant amount of wear and that leads things to become a bit thin and threadbare. The ladies working the attraction liked to have a bit of fun with this and would coordinate a day of the week where they would all wear "special" undergarments that would be easily noted under the stations black lights. You could always count a good turn out from the employees on one of these days.

As a bonus story I just remembered - take the above mentioned spring cleaning exercise of riding a CP attraction over and over and then take it and put it on the Midway Dodgem bumper cars. One afternoon we got the pleasure of riding this... non-stop. It wasn't to train the employees... it was to drive around and knock off an off season's worth of rust from the overhead mesh that powers the cars. Now, before you can think - unlimited bumper car time sounds like fun... I can tell you it is... for about 30 minutes. After that getting a face full of rust everytime you collide with someone loses its luster. That then lead me into organizing bumper car races which worked for awhile until we were told to drive them like normal guests. Then that lead to the very unique non-Olympic recognized sport of Synchronized Bumper Car Driving where the goal was to create elaborate patterns while driving without actually hitting anyone. For some reason... that day I got labeled as a troublemaker. I have no idea why.
 

RSoxNo1

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I agree with you...I wish the character addendum was included in the contract that we can see. That would have resolved many questions through the years.

Edited to add: I think the only reason they didn't try a BP meet in greet in WDW was because 1. they didn't think BP was going to be this big and 2. they didn't want to poke the comcast bear while they were in regulatory approval on Fox.
Black Panther himself cannot be included in WDW, that seems pretty clear. He's represented in Marvel Super Hero Island on two murals I believe. Whether or not they could have done Killmonger, Okoye, Shuri or M'Baku is unknown but I'd speculate yes.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
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I agree with you...I wish the character addendum was included in the contract that we can see.

That character addendum in the contract refers the big list of all Marvel characters Universal could have used in the 2 year opening window. But then that list 'shrank' according to the 'shrinkage' clause of the contract to only those characters in used plus also those characters in the family of those in use.

And that leads us to the problem of defining 'family.' Broadly interpreted, it's just about every single Marvel character because almost all of them have been on or teamed with the Avengers or X-Men. But that can't be the right interpretation because then 'shrinkage' would be meaningless.

So, it all depends on how closely 'related' unused characters are to the ones currently in use. Both GotG (in their current incarnation) and Doctor Strange have had some team-ups with the Avengers and X-Men, but clearly Disney doesn't think they're close enough to those families to be excluded from WDW.

Black Panther was a founding member of the Avengers. And BP is used in DL but not WDW. So, clearly, WDW believes BP is part of a family in use.

Here's a cleaned-up version of the contract with the legalese put into plain language, the parties updated, properly outlined, and with commentary...
 

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ABQ

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Woody's got beer and hard cider in his lunchbox? I guess he really is a cowboy after all.
Hadn't noticed that till today when I saw Pete go off on his rant on the Dis Unplugged podcast today. I love a good beer, but as the studios have alcohol in plenty of other places, I can't get behind the idea of them having to shoehorn it into a place themed as a child's lunchbox, that's just ludicrous.
 

Castle Cake Apologist

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Gringott's extended queue is still miles above ANYTHING at Cedar Point. God help you if you get stuck in this cow pen...

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Still though I would even take a simple cave queue down in the depths of the bank area. There was so much more they could have done, heck I would even take JAWS's old extended queue...

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Is that top one for Raptor? That's hands down the worst standby switchback-lined barren concrete nonsense that I've ever had the displeasure of being stuck in for 2 hours.

Salt in the wound was that the coaster experience waiting at the end of the line is absolutely not worth it.
 
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Goofyque'

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These screens in the Toy Story Mania queue are now just static pictures. First I thought they moved the screens to the new queue, but you must still walk this way to get to the ride. Or are they completely rerouting how you will walk?

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We rode Toy Story 3 times yesterday, and walked in a different way each time. Know they will have a final configuration, but trying to do as much work as they can, while keeping the ride open.
 
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trainplane3

Well-Known Member
I've been way to busy recently with work to post much; but, I wouldn't let a golden opportunity to share a story or two (that until reading the last few posts brought suddenly back to my memory) pass me by.

Disaster Transport.

Having spent two of the best summers of my life working at the Point, I now have 100% crystal clear recollection of two things about the artist formally known as Avalanche Run.

- When you sign up to work at CP, if you are "lucky" enough to have your school schedule get you out early to come to the Point before the season starts, you get "drafted" into all sorts of spring cleaning/maintenance activities. Sometimes those are tons of fun (like say riding Magnum XL-200 for hours on end to help train the ride crew). Sometimes those activities approach Dante's Inferno rings of the underworld levels of monotony. One such activity was having the "joy" of riding Disaster Transport for an entire afternoon OVER and OVER again. When I mean over and over... I mean as in never getting out. We got to stay in from the unload platform to the load platform - you just simply had to duck your head as you went underneath the hanging fabric separating the two sections. I'll never look at the foamy chamois section of an automated car wash the same way again.

- the 2nd DISpatchmASTER Transport memory I have is going to have to be told in a very PC family friendly manner. Back in the 90's CP had this notion that separating the males and females from working the same attraction as the other would be a great way to cut down on fraternization (editor's note - it didn't). So, you'd end up with one ride being all girls and another being all boys. Intamin's bobsled coaster fell under the jurisdiction of the ladies. To play the part in this highly themed immersive landmark attraction, they go to wear a very fashionable orangeish jumpsuit - tres sci-fi. As most garments in the seasonable theme park business, the uniforms eventually get a significant amount of wear and that leads things to become a bit thin and threadbare. The ladies working the attraction liked to have a bit of fun with this and would coordinate a day of the week where they would all wear "special" undergarments that would be easily noted under the stations black lights. You could always count a good turn out from the employees on one of these days.

As a bonus story I just remembered - take the above mentioned spring cleaning exercise of riding a CP attraction over and over and then take it and put it on the Midway Dodgem bumper cars. One afternoon we got the pleasure of riding this... non-stop. It wasn't to train the employees... it was to drive around and knock off an off season's worth of rust from the overhead mesh that powers the cars. Now, before you can think - unlimited bumper car time sounds like fun... I can tell you it is... for about 30 minutes. After that getting a face full of rust everytime you collide with someone loses its luster. That then lead me into organizing bumper car races which worked for awhile until we were told to drive them like normal guests. Then that lead to the very unique non-Olympic recognized sport of Synchronized Bumper Car Driving where the goal was to create elaborate patterns while driving without actually hitting anyone. For some reason... that day I got labeled as a troublemaker. I have no idea why.
Thank you for your sacrifice. Did you get a purple medal for the mental anguish you had to endure?

I never knew about the gender only operations. Then again, that was probably when I was too little to really notice or care. All those Christmas lights and black lights had me too distracted. The park has come very far from the 90s version in many good ways.
 

smile

Well-Known Member
Is that top one for Raptor? That's hands down the worst standby switchback-lined barren concrete nonsense that I've ever had the displeasure of being stuck in for 2 hours.

oddly, my most intense ride experience on any attraction ever was on raptor...
otsr gave a couple inches immediately before drop so i spent the entire layout with my life flashing before my eyes!

THRILL!!
 

PorterRedkey

Well-Known Member
It was an addition to a starving park, no wonder it did better than they thought it would.
IIRC, the Paris Studio Park only opened with 3 rides - RnR, Backlot Tour and the Aladdin spinner. There were shows, but the park needed more from Day 1. I am glad DLSP is finally getting the attention it deserves. It may finally be a worthy sister park to the beautiful DLP.
 

Castle Cake Apologist

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oddly, my most intense ride experience on any attraction ever was on raptor...
otsr gave a couple inches immediately before drop so i spent the entire layout with my life flashing before my eyes!

THRILL!!

Hey, at least you got some thrill out of the ride! More than can be said for the majority of people who get tricked into standing in a cage for 2 hours to ride one of the most boring roller coasters ever.

My boyfriend had just had an industrial piercing done on his cartilage a week or so before we went... needless to say, Raptor was a very painful ride for him with the way your head bangs against the restraints.
 

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