Movielover
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Can't a ride just be a ride judged on it's own merits and not lumped together with others rides from decades previously?
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Toy Story Land expansion announced for Disney's Hollywood Studios
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Winter
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Those were E Tickets back in like 1970. I doubt IASW would be E ticket anymore, and Country Bear certainly wouldn't. And the monorail is a form of transportation rather than a ride so......
Regardless though, I do agree that you don't have to have an absolutetly amazing ride queue to be an E Ticket though lol.
Indeed. See SSE.
Goofyernmost
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Just because you do care about it along with a handful of industries that put some imagined value to it, doesn't make it of any real value to the majority. It is a dead term, significant, only to those you mentioned. The real value of any attraction is how much the public likes it. I could make an argument that Horizons, WoM, Imagination was an E when it opened, but, none of those exist anymore. Reason: it lost favor with the public. Internal opinion of greatness has to be proven. I think I'm a great singer... others would probably disagree.
ToTBellHop
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An E ticket is like ography (type of adult entertainment): I can’t exactly define it for you but I know it when I see it.
yensidtlaw1969
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Who's claiming it's valuable to the majority? We who post here are totally in the minority, and the distinction has meaning to us. Hence the discussion board.
Also, the reasons Imagination, WoM, and Horizons aren't around anymore is NOT as simple as falling out of favor with the public, but that's a discussion for another thread . . .
gmajew
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I was really hoping they would be doing testing or soft openings when I was in town June 8th-15th but it does not look like it will happen. Tough to even go to Hollywood Studios for a day with out it open as you can be in an out in a few hours. So may be off to Universal for that day!
yensidtlaw1969
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I wasn't suggesting Dumbo was among the highest rated attractions, only that popularity does not necessarily equal ticket designation.
Rumor has it that The Great Movie Ride was rating low with guests towards the end of it's life, but that doesn't mean it wasn't an E-Ticket level attraction. The scope and ambition of that ride was matched only by other E-Tickets, like Pirates, Spaceship Earth, Haunted Mansion. The scale and scope of Toy Story Mania is matched by attractions like Buzz and The Little Mermaid (I might argue that Mermaid exceeds it).
It doesn't make the ride any less of anything it is to be a D instead of E-Ticket, but E seems to suggest it's more than it is, and more than it was intended to be. Even with it's mega popularity.
Goofyernmost
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Any mention of it is just plain useless. It is meaningless until the public decides it is a valued ride. It is a system for determining ride popularity that would cause people to buy more tickets. It was originally set up based on the things that Walt, basically, felt was a high quality, sure to be big, attraction. That said, however, he was also a businessman, something that Disney Cult worshipers fail to let themselves recognize. He put that emphasis on the things that he thought would be popular regardless of how god like he is seen. If he was wrong then it was no longer an E ticket because he needed them to sell more tickets and increase his revenue. That is real life and not the divine conveyor of entertainment that could not make mistakes others seem to think he was. Certainly, they think that with his halo glowing brightly it would never occur to him to take advantage of the good things to increase the income. I don't care if some people use it still, even though it is quite similar to heading out to go for a leisurely drive across country in a Model T Ford. It may still be around, but, it is no longer the vehicle of reality. To me it is the same as talking about how we should still use our trusty abacus because it was once a tool for math.
I have heard and acknowledge all the reasons why Horizon, WoM and Imagination are no longer around, however, if popularity had been up there you can rest assured that they would still be there just as Pirates and Haunted Mansion are still there after all these years. It is just plain practical retail math. Like it or not "retail math" is part of every business including the sainted Disney Parks.
JohnD
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I'm there a week from Sunday through June 3. Probably not likely for me either. I'll just have to wait until the fall or the holidays.
yensidtlaw1969
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. . . That's a lot of Walt worship talk you just conjured in the discussion here. I don't think that's been on the map of this thread even once until now, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make to us. I think a lot of us recognize that Walt made money off of Disneyland and was pretty good at it. I fail to see anyone here actively groveling at his feet.
The usefulness these days in the Ticket nomenclature is to delineate what level of experience the Imagineers are intending to design and provide for guests. If that's not interesting to you then that's fine, but if you're concerned about finding meaning then a Disney fan discussion board may not be the place. Fan forums like this are generally harmless and often engaging but a relatively non-useful endeavor save for providing a venue to express ones interest in the subject at hand. Which is what most of us are doing here.
What's more, the E-ticket system still comes into play because there isn't another model that's supplanted it yet in terms of the rating of theme park experiences. It's not a very public model anymore, which is why sometimes we enter this gray area in discussing what lands where, but it's rich in it's history and speaks to the guest expectation for those who are familiar with its workings. And it's apparently not useless, or so much of this thread wouldn't have become about it. It doesn't seem necessary for you to police the subject so ardently.
I agree - let's all get back on topic. Thank you.
No it isn’t.
But like the Mom said, if you’d like to continue the discussion in a dedicated thread I’m sure others will join in.
Disneyhead'71
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From the latest photos, I think the land, with all the foliage, looks better than the concept art and the model. I think it's starting to look pretty good. Better than I expected.
Disneyhead'71
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I don't believe that it will be as tight in regards to getting finished as people think. There really isn't that much left to do. And over a month to do it.
JohnD
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Which, if memory serves, construction hands over to operations. So that could be in the next several weeks with training for CMs to follow. I'm basing this on what I've read from others commenting on this forum. Those in the know can better clarify.
flyerjab
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I am quite impressed with how good of a job they did making it look like actual toy sets. Especially in the first photo of the SDD queue area. In that photo it looks like an actual toy to me, and not a life-sized ride. I think Imagineering did a great job with this.