Toy Story Land expansion announced for Disney's Hollywood Studios

Kman101

Well-Known Member
There is something deeply irritating about the fact that guests flock to the insipid TSMM but never went to Disney Quest in enough numbers to make it work. Midway Mania would have fit right in at DQ.

I agree it's irritating. I find TSMM a lazy attraction that guests flock to and so it justifies them doing things like this because guests eat it up. I know some have said TSL is lazy theming but I don't quite agree. I'm curious to see reactions when the land opens for those that have written it off and those that haven't. The mass majority is who WDW sadly aims for and they'll eat it up.
 

Amidala

Well-Known Member
TSMM isn't exactly a masterwork of imagineering, but it's a fun diversion (and a cut above the other rides TSL will have). And at this point, when DHS has so little in the way of attraction & entertainment offerings, a fun diversion goes a long way...I doubt the line for TSMM will be out the door once MMRR and SWL have opened and DHS has been rebranded.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
"You're supposed to be Green Army Men height."

There are several problems with that.

Sure, when you do M&G with GAM, they're human height and you're the same size as GAM.

But when you do M&G with Woody, you're pretty much Woody's height and Woody is much larger than the GAM. So, even before you talk about a TSL, the TS characters in person have you taking on shifting scales in height as you encounter them.

If you're GAM size, then a Popsicle stick should be twice as tall than you. But so should be Mr. Potato Head AA, and he's not. If you're GAM size, then when Woody and Jessie appear on screen in TSMM, they should be towering four times your height... and they're not.

When a child plays with GAM, they imagine themselves that size. And when they play with a Woody doll, their scale shifts by a factor of four.

Children's toys have wildly shifting scales relative to each other. If the scale in size of a TSL is all over the place, I'm sure children wouldn't notice nor care. It's certain adults who insist on imposing a consistency which is not present in the toys themselves who have this concern.
 

Kman101

Well-Known Member
TSMM isn't exactly a masterwork of imagineering, but it's a fun diversion (and a cut above the other rides TSL will have). And at this point, when DHS has so little in the way of attraction & entertainment offerings, a fun diversion goes a long way...I doubt the line for TSMM will be out the door once MMRR and SWL have opened and DHS has been rebranded.

I get why people like it but it's not for me. It's a nice diversion but it's become an Eticket headliner when it really shouldn't be one. It's in a park that has very few rides so it's a top tier attraction when it shouldn't be. It works better in a place like DCA. But I just would have preferred a better use of Toy Story especially when they already used Buzz as a shooter ride in the castle parks. I mean Tokyo eats it up too. But they have an obssesion with characters.
 

Kman101

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I personally wasn't all that impressed with a bugs land. It was nice enough I guess. It works better for bugs so I get why some view it as better than what TSL will be. And there's nothing wrong with dissecting things based on concept art and the other TS lands but feelings can change (good or bad) once you experience it in person. I try not writing things off until I do it or see it in person. Doesn't mean we can't have an opinion on what we think it will be.
 

Herbie

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Never been to DCA, but from what I've seen, A Bugs Land looks great. Very quaint. I believe it was built with very small children in mind to solve that parks issue and I think it works. With Toy Story, it's just such a popular brand that deserves more. Even though we're getting rides different from HK and WDSP, even those lands seem to feel more complete and fitting than what we're getting. Granted, we are getting rides more suitable for somewhat older children.. the Mater prototype and excuse for a coaster (because it certainly isn't much better than a Barnstormer) but those rides coupled with TSM... I don't know, it feels like an odd and unsatisfying combination. Hoping the theming really sells it, but we already know the intended budget for that was chopped.
 

Goofyernmost

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Every bit of documentation for the land is done at scale. The idea that the scale of the objects included cannot be consistent is laughable. It is their job to draw and document to scale.
As usual you once again missed the point so you could highlight your anger with Disney for not conforming to your idea of perfection. If you cannot understand the limits of scale that has to involve humans, that cannot be scaled, then there is no sense in continuing this conversation.
 

Casper Gutman

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As usual you once again missed the point so you could highlight your anger with Disney for not conforming to your idea of perfection. If you cannot understand the limits of scale that has to involve humans, that cannot be scaled, then there is no sense in continuing this conversation.
If it can't be scaled properly, and thus can't be convincingly themed... that seems like a pretty good reason not to build it.
 

wdrive

Well-Known Member
Because Disney wanted it that way. And really, I don't want to intentionally upset anyone, but, it totally boggles the mind how anyone would even think of these questions much less think that everything can be exactly to scale unless we are physically able to shrink ourselves down to the appropriate size. Even in order to ride the coaster we have to be smaller then the toys are. Or in the words of the Dreamfinder... Imagination, Imagination, a dream can be a dream come true, one little spark lights up for you.

Sorry for discussing theme on a theme park discussion board.

So I guess you're saying just imagine that it is better than it will be?
 

cjkeating

Well-Known Member
I found A Bugs Land to be extremely detailed when I was there. I was impressed. They did an excellent job with what they had. Even the rides, which are mostly conventional spinners, are themselves quite well-themed (except for maybe the Lady Bug one...).

Honestly, I fear TSL won't even reach the level of Bug's Land...

A Bugs Lands gets a lot of stick - unfairly in my opinion - and compared to the WDSP TSPL it is so much better and I don't see any signs the Florida version will be any better.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
As usual you once again missed the point so you could highlight your anger with Disney for not conforming to your idea of perfection. If you cannot understand the limits of scale that has to involve humans, that cannot be scaled, then there is no sense in continuing this conversation.
If there are such limits then you should have no problem actually stating them. What makes it impossible to build everything at a consistent scale?
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
Sorry for discussing theme on a theme park discussion board.

So I guess you're saying just imagine that it is better than it will be?
Or maybe just wait until it exists in its entirety before you decide that it isn't going to be any good. It isn't a matter of imagining that it is good or bad, it is a matter of your capability to suspend disbelief. If you can't do that then I cannot begin to acknowledge just how many good things you have missed in a Disney Park.
 

Goofyernmost

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If there are such limits then you should have no problem actually stating them. What makes it impossible to build everything at a consistent scale?
Sorry, we are all allegedly mature, intelligent adults and if we cannot understand that certain aspects of reality are not something that can be manipulated then there is no sense in even going to a theme park. All we will find is fault.
 

wdrive

Well-Known Member
Or maybe just wait until it exists in its entirety before you decide that it isn't going to be any good. It isn't a matter of imagining that it is good or bad, it is a matter of your capability to suspend disbelief. If you can't do that then I cannot begin to acknowledge just how many good things you have missed in a Disney Park.

Ah okay so discussion is banned until it opens, thanks! Should probably close this tread now then.

I may be wrong, I hope I am, but I don't feel this land is going to be of very high standard. You disagree with me, I can live with that. I'm still allowed my opinion.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
Ah okay so discussion is banned until it opens, thanks! Should probably close this tread now then.

I may be wrong, I hope I am, but I don't feel this land is going to be of very high standard. You disagree with me, I can live with that. I'm still allowed my opinion.
Discussion is talking about things that we know. If you spend your life creating things, that haven't yet happened, recent history tells you what you get. I'm not sure how it will all end up, so I cannot comment on it because I don't know. I do know and understand that in the world of theme park, fantasy entertainment a very large portion of the enjoyment comes from within ourselves. You folks are not discussing fact you are expressing your love or, in this case, your hatred for something that doesn't exist. You don't know what the end result will be and whatever judgement that is being made is based on a two dimensional piece of artwork coupled with, what I consider, a very misshaped thought that any amount of money can alter reality. Some of the simplest ideas and presentations have been long admired classics. Ask yourself, had they decided today to build Small World and all you had to base it on was a piece of artwork, what opinion do you think you would have of it? What? Riding around in a boat with primitive, wannabe AA's, to a song (which you wouldn't know about yet) that is embedded in you mind forever? Really, damn Disney is too cheap to make a real attraction! If the, to my amazement, much loved, Toad ride were to be proposed today. Would the "discussion" about the story line or the concept of the idea or would it be "Day-glow" cardboard cutouts laid along side of a stock roadside carnival track where you end up dying and going to hell going to be anything other then what a stupid shortcut. Disney is cutting back again and the accountants are calling the shots on that one.

What is being built is reality, we will be able to give it a thumbs up or thumbs down once we can see it in reality. Then discussion can be based on what is and not what we think it is going to be. We can discuss it now based on what we armchair imagineers think it should or shouldn't be as long as we all realize that we are speaking without knowledge and that is either side of it, including mine. We can knit-pick until the cows come home. If we want to hate it we will find a number of ways to make it something to hate. Things like scale, which is important, but, has many, many examples of not being all that important to the overall enjoyment of the attraction, is an argument that really doesn't hold water. If they had to rely on dream like proportion there would be no theme parks in the world.
 

ToTBellHop

Well-Known Member
At this point, the only land in Hollywood Studios then is Sunset Boulevard.
Echo Lake has Star Tours and Indy and I actually think MuppetVision is an E. But I would hardly argue DHS is acceptable right now. I don't actually think the park's problem by 2020 will be a shortage of E-tickets so much as a shortage of compelling A-D tickets. Maybe they can go the DAK route to fill the guest's day and start breeding squirrels.
 

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