Toy Story Land expansion announced for Disney's Hollywood Studios

HauntedMansionFLA

HauntedMansionFLA

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CrescentLake said:
Thank you and @IDInstitute for responding! Sounds like it would have been really cool! Unfortunate that it will not be built.
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I know. I had always said it would be a cool addition to the land before that article come out. For one, it's another attraction for the land. And two, it would be an easier way to get around the land. Especially when it's really crowded. And last, it gives you a different way to see the land.

Toy Story Land could have something like this in there land too.
 
DinoInstitute

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DarthFiscus75 said:
I know. I had always said it would be a cool addition to the land before that article come out. For one, it's another attraction for the land. And two, it would be an easier way to get around the land. Especially when it's really crowded. And last, it gives you a different way to see the land.

Toy Story Land could have something like this in there land too.
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The slinky train actually would have been a good idea for a peoplemover type ride. And then give us an actual dark ride and some expansion space with the room left over
 
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doctornick

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Mike S said:
If I recall the info I've read here correctly everything was included in the original budget of $500 million that came out with the announcement. The coaster was then cut and the project still ballooned to double its original amount. I think it was a bike coaster like Tron.

Can anyone in the know corroborate or is my memory foggy? @1023?
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I'm not sure that's correct. IIRC we didn't really hear the budget rumors until after the coaster was "cut" and the land was set with the current two rides. My guess is that the protracted negotiations between Cameron's folks and Disney before things were finalized involved Disney saying something like "the budget is $500M" and the WDI folks saying "we can't do 3 rides and everything else for that price" which lead to a deal where the proposed roller coaster was removed, perhaps with certain enhancements planned for the other rides and the land in general in exchange.

My point being, I doubt that the $500M budget was for the blue sky, three ride land. It was probably for the land as is currently planned, just that costs have soared despite it being only 2 rides
 
1023

1023

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doctornick said:
I'm not sure that's correct. IIRC we didn't really hear the budget rumors until after the coaster was "cut" and the land was set with the current two rides. My guess is that the protracted negotiations between Cameron's folks and Disney before things were finalized involved Disney saying something like "the budget is $500M" and the WDI folks saying "we can't do 3 rides and everything else for that price" which lead to a deal where the proposed roller coaster was removed, perhaps with certain enhancements planned for the other rides and the land in general in exchange.

My point being, I doubt that the $500M budget was for the blue sky, three ride land. It was probably for the land as is currently planned, just that costs have soared despite it being only 2 rides
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This exactly. The coaster was cut early. The budget for this area with it's 2 rides and extensive themeing and detail was supposed to be $500M-ish..... Kinda missed on that.... But look at it this way, this is an example of Disney doing what it takes to do it right....

I can't say this enough, this area is going to be amazing.

*1023*
 
HauntedMansionFLA

HauntedMansionFLA

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1023 said:
This exactly. The coaster was cut early. The budget for this area with it's 2 rides and extensive themeing and detail was supposed to be $500M-ish..... Kinda missed on that.... But look at it this way, this is an example of Disney doing what it takes to do it right....

I can't say this enough, this area is going to be amazing.

*1023*
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I agree with you on how amazing the land is going to be. plus, the rides look top notch. this really gets me excited about Star Wars land - when Disney really wants to swing for the fences, it can.
 
1023

1023

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GhostHost1000 said:
so about this Toy Story Land thing....
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So back to TSL and other fun things DHS....

Disneyhead'71 said:
This is Disney's first real shot it the "Theme Park Wars". And Iger said "turn her broadside and fire all the canons."

Then fired the guy who did just that.
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The Lightstorm project and Star Wars weren't the only thing that Bruce and Craig were told to swing for the fences on (we can talk about stirke one and two elsewhere). TSL was supposed to be a huge upgrade over it's previous iteration. It was also supposed to add three attractions to TSMM for a total of 4 in the land. The push was to announce both Star Wars and TSL at D23.... It was actually a race between SWL and Marvel at the end (but again that's another story for elsewhere).

Anyway, in the scramble to make the deadline, we got an artist rendition of what would fit in the budget, This meant, the 3rd attraction didn't make the cut. Similarly, some other constraints including budget, influenced what we got with SWL in both DL and DHS. The changes we are hearing about now are largely influenced by outside forces (outside of WDI that is) and do not reflect what they were asked to create to begin with.

It's no wonder that one of these guys is gone and the other is going to be cast off sooner rather than later. And that is enough inside baseball for one day. I'll try to not be led astray from the thread title in the future. I need to stay on theme...;)

*1023*
 
GhostHost1000

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Disney needs to do a lot of things... but in the case of new large projects... maybe they should take a page from Uni's book and not announce things with nice concept art and then 3 years later (if we are lucky) return something that is only half of what people were excited about. Just start doing construction, keep things tight lipped.... and oh yeah... continue building and plussing instead of waiting stagnant years and then scrambling to try to redo entire them parks, etc.

I mean who is running things anyways... anyone... *crickets*
 
Thanks phoenicians

Thanks phoenicians

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1023 said:
So back to TSL and other fun things DHS....



The Lightstorm project and Star Wars weren't the only thing that Bruce and Craig were told to swing for the fences on (we can talk about stirke one and two elsewhere). TSL was supposed to be a huge upgrade over it's previous iteration. It was also supposed to add three attractions to TSMM for a total of 4 in the land. The push was to announce both Star Wars and TSL at D23.... It was actually a race between SWL and Marvel at the end (but again that's another story for elsewhere).

Anyway, in the scramble to make the deadline, we got an artist rendition of what would fit in the budget, This meant, the 3rd attraction didn't make the cut. Similarly, some other constraints including budget, influenced what we got with SWL in both DL and DHS. The changes we are hearing about now are largely influenced by outside forces (outside of WDI that is) and do not reflect what they were asked to create to begin with.

It's no wonder that one of these guys is gone and the other is going to be cast off sooner rather than later. And that is enough inside baseball for one day. I'll try to not be led astray from the thread title in the future. I need to stay on theme...;)

*1023*
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So I know it was mentioned that other minor things like entertainment updates and other plussing would be added by the time GMR replacement, SWL, TSL open. Is it possible that we see anything else major? Especially in animation courtyard or echo lake.
 
No Name

No Name

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lazyboy97o said:
I already said what the name of the castle was, it was Fantasyland Castle. That right there completely kills your point that nothing has changed. The rules today are that the project must start with the franchise.
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Goofyernmost said:
A bit of a stretch but OK, because their working name was Fantasyland Castle doesn't mean that they didn't always intend to link it to something else when it opened, but, so what.. does it really matter? That fact that has been named Sleeping Beauty Castle since the day that Disneyland opened up... kinda says just the opposite.
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You guys are both shooting arrows at a target and misisng the bullseye, but arguing that your shot is better. I will try to hit the bullseye.

It is not true that nearly everything that originally opened at Disneyland was connected to a movie or TV or IP of any sort. What about the Autopia, King Arthur Carousel, Jungle Cruise, Mark Twain Steamboat, Disneyland Railroad, and more that I failed to mention? 100% of the park was not an "extension" of movies and TV. That would've been nearly impossible. Walt simply didn't have enough movies or TV shows or characters to use.

I often wonder, with the library of IP that they have now, whether Walt would still choose to build original attractions. Then I realize that that is as irrelevant as any other "what would Walt do?" question. Onward...

But even with this shortcoming of IP, Walt still wanted all of his attractions to be popular, as anyone would. So he based his rides off of characters and concepts that he didn't own, but that the public very much resonated with. For example, the Autopia was built right around the rise of interstate highways. The Disneyland Railroad capitalized on people's nostalgia for that old-fashioned form of transportation. The Jungle Cruise captured people's interest in the wild and adventure. He built rides that would attract people. One-way synergy. Okay, that's not synergy anymore. But perhaps, when executed well, it was even more powerful than synergy. It certainly worked for Walt, and has worked for decades beyond.

As for the castle, it was originally supposed to be Snow White's, until Walt made a late change and switched it to Sleeping Beauty. Walt called it Snow White's castle in a promotional TV spot before the park opened. That is a fact. It was going to be tied to an movie in either situation, and I find nothing to indicate that a generic "Fantasyland Castle" was ever the plan.
 
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lazyboy97o

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egg said:
You guys are both shooting arrows at a target and misisng the bullseye, but arguing that your shot is better. I will try to hit the bullseye.

It is not true that nearly everything that originally opened at Disneyland was connected to a movie or TV or IP of any sort. What about the Autopia, King Arthur Carousel, Jungle Cruise, Mark Twain Steamboat, Disneyland Railroad, and more that I failed to mention? 100% of the park was not an "extension" of movies and TV. That would've been nearly impossible. Walt simply didn't have enough movies or TV shows or characters to use.

I often wonder, with the library of IP that they have now, whether Walt would still choose to build original attractions. Then I realize that that is as irrelevant as any other "what would Walt do?" question. Onward...

But even with this shortcoming of IP, Walt still wanted all of his attractions to be popular, as anyone would. So he based his rides off of characters and concepts that he didn't own, but that the public very much resonated with. For example, the Autopia was built right around the rise of interstate highways. The Disneyland Railroad capitalized on people's nostalgia for that old-fashioned form of transportation. The Jungle Cruise captured people's interest in the wild and adventure. He built rides that would attract people. One-way synergy. Okay, that's not synergy anymore. But perhaps, when executed well, it was even more powerful than synergy. It certainly worked for Walt, and has worked for decades beyond.

As for the castle, it was originally supposed to be Snow White's, until Walt made a late change and switched it to Sleeping Beauty. Walt called it Snow White's castle in a promotional TV spot before the park opened. That is a fact. It was going to be tied to an movie in either situation, and I find nothing to indicate that a generic "Fantasyland Castle" was ever the plan.
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Intellectual property is something specific. This idea of known concepts/subjects/genres equating to intellectual property is a crock. Even as more properties were developed at the Studio after Disneyland's opening they were less and less the basis for WED Enterprises' work.

Snow White Castle, like Sleeping Beauty Castle, was just a name and still came after the decision for a castle. The content of the castle never changed. It was the Fantasyland Castle and that is what was most important.
 
RSoxNo1

RSoxNo1

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1023 said:
So back to TSL and other fun things DHS....



The Lightstorm project and Star Wars weren't the only thing that Bruce and Craig were told to swing for the fences on (we can talk about stirke one and two elsewhere). TSL was supposed to be a huge upgrade over it's previous iteration. It was also supposed to add three attractions to TSMM for a total of 4 in the land. The push was to announce both Star Wars and TSL at D23.... It was actually a race between SWL and Marvel at the end (but again that's another story for elsewhere).

Anyway, in the scramble to make the deadline, we got an artist rendition of what would fit in the budget, This meant, the 3rd attraction didn't make the cut. Similarly, some other constraints including budget, influenced what we got with SWL in both DL and DHS. The changes we are hearing about now are largely influenced by outside forces (outside of WDI that is) and do not reflect what they were asked to create to begin with.

It's no wonder that one of these guys is gone and the other is going to be cast off sooner rather than later. And that is enough inside baseball for one day. I'll try to not be led astray from the thread title in the future. I need to stay on theme...;)

*1023*
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Craig?
 

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