Toy Story Land expansion announced for Disney's Hollywood Studios

Disneyhead'71

Disneyhead'71

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They should not have announced this land at D23 last year. Especially since they knew that what they were announcing wasn't what they were going to build. It was already being redesigned and Bruce Vaughn was already being pushed out. They scrambled to put together the announcement just to have something, anything. The Star Wars announcement also was a last minute decision. At that point, Imagineering was a mess.
 
Jones14

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Part of the issue is that Disney sees the resort as a whole rather than four distinct parks. They fully expect Animal Kingdom to be the relief park, and are banking on the hope that Avatar and Rivers of Light will help the park draw enough attention thoughout the day to keep people out of DHS and in a park that already has and will have too much capacity (yes, I am saying that) for the amount of traffic it gets.

They also expect the visitors to be impressed by their constant work, and to be fair, their investment looks great on paper. Over the next three years, they'll have opened three new lands with 6 brand new rides. Never mind that those rides were needed five years ago, or that DHS is a terrible park and will continue to be for the foreseeable future, or that Animal Kingdom should already have enough to keep people in it past 5 PM without the help of two new rides and a nighttime spectacular.

Disney wants balance above all. The goal is to spread guests out. The goal with Avatar is to pull guests away from Hollywood and Magic Kingdom, because the park has capacity that is currently being wasted. Everest consistently being at 10 minutes from 6 PM on is not a good thing when every other rollercoaster in the resort almost never drops below a half hour. Disney knows that.

They also know DHS needs more quality things to do, but to them, getting people into Animal Kingdom is more important than filling out DHS, because the park continues to defy all odds and draw guests at insane levels when you look at what's actually there. The parks are being looked at in terms of how they share guests, not in terms of how good they are. The good news. is that they are fixing the problem. The bad news is that they've created a situation in which they have to be wary of investment in DHS until they finish the fix.
 
roj2323

roj2323

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Jones14 said:
Part of the issue is that Disney sees the resort as a whole rather than four distinct parks. They fully expect Animal Kingdom to be the relief park, and are banking on the hope that Avatar and Rivers of Light will help the park draw enough attention thoughout the day to keep people out of DHS and in a park that already has and will have too much capacity (yes, I am saying that) for the amount of traffic it gets.

They also expect the visitors to be impressed by their constant work, and to be fair, their investment looks great on paper. Over the next three years, they'll have opened three new lands with 6 brand new rides. Never mind that those rides were needed five years ago, or that DHS is a terrible park and will continue to be for the foreseeable future, or that Animal Kingdom should already have enough to keep people in it past 5 PM without the help of two new rides and a nighttime spectacular.

Disney wants balance above all. The goal is to spread guests out. The goal with Avatar is to pull guests away from Hollywood and Magic Kingdom, because the park has capacity that is currently being wasted. Everest consistently being at 10 minutes from 6 PM on is not a good thing when every other rollercoaster in the resort almost never drops below a half hour. Disney knows that.

They also know DHS needs more quality things to do, but to them, getting people into Animal Kingdom is more important than filling out DHS, because the park continues to defy all odds and draw guests at insane levels when you look at what's actually there. The parks are being looked at in terms of how they share guests, not in terms of how good they are. The good news. is that they are fixing the problem. The bad news is that they've created a situation in which they have to be wary of investment in DHS until they finish the fix.
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I understand your thinking but disney does run the 4 parks as separate businesses. They all have their own budgets, leadership exc. You can bet that DHS will be pulling some weird tricks to try and keep attendance up. Special events, shows, possibly a parade should all be expected in addition to plussing current attractions like Fantasmic and BaTB. (new scene for fant! and a refresh for BaTB i'm thinking) Fireworks shows will continue for a good while and I suspect we will be getting something bigger than the Starwars fireworks show post holidays to make sure people still keep coming. Time will tell but the next 18-24 months should be quite interesting at DHS.
 
1023

1023

Provocateur, Rancanteur, Plaisanter, du Jour
Jones14 said:
Part of the issue is that Disney sees the resort as a whole rather than four distinct parks. They fully expect Animal Kingdom to be the relief park, and are banking on the hope that Avatar and Rivers of Light will help the park draw enough attention throughout the day to keep people out of DHS and in a park that already has and will have too much capacity (yes, I am saying that) for the amount of traffic it gets.

They also expect the visitors to be impressed by their constant work, and to be fair, their investment looks great on paper. Over the next three years, they'll have opened three new lands with 6 brand new rides. Never mind that those rides were needed five years ago, or that DHS is a terrible park and will continue to be for the foreseeable future, or that Animal Kingdom should already have enough to keep people in it past 5 PM without the help of two new rides and a nighttime spectacular.

Disney wants balance above all. The goal is to spread guests out. The goal with Avatar is to pull guests away from Hollywood and Magic Kingdom, because the park has capacity that is currently being wasted. Everest consistently being at 10 minutes from 6 PM on is not a good thing when every other rollercoaster in the resort almost never drops below a half hour. Disney knows that.

They also know DHS needs more quality things to do, but to them, getting people into Animal Kingdom is more important than filling out DHS, because the park continues to defy all odds and draw guests at insane levels when you look at what's actually there. The parks are being looked at in terms of how they share guests, not in terms of how good they are. The good news. is that they are fixing the problem. The bad news is that they've created a situation in which they have to be wary of investment in DHS until they finish the fix.
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This is largely true overall. They are looking to spread out the crowds. The real problem is a lack of headliners to draw guests to the parks that are lightly attended and a lack of compelling C and D tickets to keep them there. (When I use those words, I am comparing the other 3 parks to Magic Kingdom.) Let's look around a bit at our favorite Florida resort, shall we.

Magic Kingdom is chock full of headliners. It was graced with a bunch of these from opening day. It had the benefit of the "grand daddy of them all" to use as a blueprint. You have Pirates, Haunted Mansion, Splash Mountain, Big Thunder Mountain, Space Mountain, It's a Small World After All (version 2 electric boogaloo) and a whole slate of other D & C ticket offerings. The rides cover the spectrum of interests and age ranges. It's a real life demographic canvas.

Epcot version 2.X ( maybe Mr. Manifesto, @sshindel , can help me more accurately identify the proper version number) does not carry the number of headliners nor supporting attractions any longer. It's appeal is now skewing much older despite the "toonification" renovation of attractions. (In person, I can ramble on about this park becoming the 80s and 90s Vegas equivalent, but that is a discussion I prefer to have a drink in my hand for.) There is a dearth of attractions in relation to the massive footprint of this park and "Future World" has lost it's edutainment and an entire pavilion. The slow decent into outdoor mall with a few diversionary attractions has been gut wrenching and a little soul crushing. (Needed to make sure that last sentence had enough hyperbole.) There are additions on the way.....no...actually....replacements.....yes... replacements on the way. We will replace the 5 senses, in the misleading attraction named Journey into Imagination, with emotions. We will replace one of the last edutainment attractions about energy with a PG13 superhero attraction. We will continue to ignore the pavilion that sits quietly still, unless there is a festival, and it's lost attractions. Wow, this is a long paragraph, I can see how this whole park would inspire a manifesto. I'll move on, because there is so much more I could rail on about.

Now we get to the subject matter and purpose of this thread, the re-casting of DHS. ToyStoryLand is a neat concept. It has been done very poorly in other parts of the world. The original proposal and artistic presentation at D23 had some appeal. The problem is, it doesn't even replace the lost capacity in the area. It's not close. To your point of balance, the park has a lack of compelling attractions beyond it's headliners. In fact, there are only 2 attractions that aren't headliners. This park's identity is being re-crafted because there is so much that needs to be added. Currently, there are 6 attractions. There are 2 or 3 exhibits depending on how you count. The only visible, kinetic action in the park is elevator doors. The capacity (in terms of attractions) in this park is so lacking, it's hard to believe that it sits on 135 acres. (For fun, Disneyland is 85 acres and DCA is 67.) You can't spread people around when you offer so little in 3 other parks. Of course, DHS is the weakest offering.

Now let's visit the zoo. At least with Animal Kingdom, you are making use of space. There is visible outdoor motion. There is adherence to a theme. Your headliners are desirable and spread across ages and interests. Expedition Everest, Kali, Kilimanjaro Safari, and Dinosuar can be people eating attractions. The roadside carnival is a disgrace, but it's 2 attractions seem to keep kids busy. The zoo exhibits are well done and there is a beautiful new expansion being built as we speak. There is still far to little to do here to keep the crowds. The 2 new attractions will be highly sought after. Your FastPassMinus queue will be Pandora attractions and KS...... or maybe EE. But there will still not be enough to keep the crowds from MK. They might be able to get some night time guests here with Pandora and RoL.

The fix is to build more than TSL and SWL in DHS. There are more things proposed for that park that would help immeasurably. The southern area could add it's 2 or 3 attractions before the 2020 target. The replacement for Animation Courtyard could be quite something. Stepping up to do these things at this park would help balance some attendance. I have to ask though, does 11 or 12 total attractions sound like enough? Yeah....Sounds lite to me too....

*1023*
 
Haymarket2008

Haymarket2008

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1023 said:
This is largely true overall. They are looking to spread out the crowds. The real problem is a lack of headliners to draw guests to the parks that are lightly attended and a lack of compelling C and D tickets to keep them there. (When I use those words, I am comparing the other 3 parks to Magic Kingdom.) Let's look around a bit at our favorite Florida resort, shall we.

Magic Kingdom is chock full of headliners. It was graced with a bunch of these from opening day. It had the benefit of the "grand daddy of them all" to use as a blueprint. You have Pirates, Haunted Mansion, Splash Mountain, Big Thunder Mountain, Space Mountain, It's a Small World After All (version 2 electric boogaloo) and a whole slate of other D & C ticket offerings. The rides cover the spectrum of interests and age ranges. It's a real life demographic canvas.

Epcot version 2.X ( maybe Mr. Manifesto, @sshindel , can help me more accurately identify the proper version number) does not carry the number of headliners nor supporting attractions any longer. It's appeal is now skewing much older despite the "toonification" renovation of attractions. (In person, I can ramble on about this park becoming the 80s and 90s Vegas equivalent, but that is a discussion I prefer to have a drink in my hand for.) There is a dearth of attractions in relation to the massive footprint of this park and "Future World" has lost it's edutainment and an entire pavilion. The slow decent into outdoor mall with a few diversionary attractions has been gut wrenching and a little soul crushing. (Needed to make sure that last sentence had enough hyperbole.) There are additions on the way.....no...actually....replacements.....yes... replacements on the way. We will replace the 5 senses, in the misleading attraction named Journey into Imagination, with emotions. We will replace one of the last edutainment attractions about energy with a PG13 superhero attraction. We will continue to ignore the pavilion that sits quietly still, unless there is a festival, and it's lost attractions. Wow, this is a long paragraph, I can see how this whole park would inspire a manifesto. I'll move on, because there is so much more I could rail on about.

Now we get to the subject matter and purpose of this thread, the re-casting of DHS. ToyStoryLand is a neat concept. It has been done very poorly in other parts of the world. The original proposal and artistic presentation at D23 had some appeal. The problem is, it doesn't even replace the lost capacity in the area. It's not close. To your point of balance, the park has a lack of compelling attractions beyond it's headliners. In fact, there are only 2 attractions that aren't headliners. This park's identity is being re-crafted because there is so much that needs to be added. Currently, there are 6 attractions. There are 2 or 3 exhibits depending on how you count. The only visible, kinetic action in the park is elevator doors. The capacity (in terms of attractions) in this park is so lacking, it's hard to believe that it sits on 135 acres. (For fun, Disneyland is 85 acres and DCA is 67.) You can't spread people around when you offer so little in 3 other parks. Of course, DHS is the weakest offering.

Now let's visit the zoo. At least with Animal Kingdom, you are making use of space. There is visible outdoor motion. There is adherence to a theme. Your headliners are desirable and spread across ages and interests. Expedition Everest, Kali, Kilimanjaro Safari, and Dinosuar can be people eating attractions. The roadside carnival is a disgrace, but it's 2 attractions seem to keep kids busy. The zoo exhibits are well done and there is a beautiful new expansion being built as we speak. There is still far to little to do here to keep the crowds. The 2 new attractions will be highly sought after. Your FastPassMinus queue will be Pandora attractions and KS...... or maybe EE. But there will still not be enough to keep the crowds from MK. They might be able to get some night time guests here with Pandora and RoL.

The fix is to build more than TSL and SWL in DHS. There are more things proposed for that park that would help immeasurably. The southern area could add it's 2 or 3 attractions before the 2020 target. The replacement for Animation Courtyard could be quite something. Stepping up to do these things at this park would help balance some attendance. I have to ask though, does 11 or 12 total attractions sound like enough? Yeah....Sounds lite to me too....

*1023*
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Are you kidding me with Inside Out and Figment? Good lord.... He's really getting euthanized AGAIN?!
 
hpyhnt 1000

hpyhnt 1000

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1023 said:
This is largely true overall. They are looking to spread out the crowds. The real problem is a lack of headliners to draw guests to the parks that are lightly attended and a lack of compelling C and D tickets to keep them there. (When I use those words, I am comparing the other 3 parks to Magic Kingdom.) Let's look around a bit at our favorite Florida resort, shall we.

Magic Kingdom is chock full of headliners. It was graced with a bunch of these from opening day. It had the benefit of the "grand daddy of them all" to use as a blueprint. You have Pirates, Haunted Mansion, Splash Mountain, Big Thunder Mountain, Space Mountain, It's a Small World After All (version 2 electric boogaloo) and a whole slate of other D & C ticket offerings. The rides cover the spectrum of interests and age ranges. It's a real life demographic canvas.

Epcot version 2.X ( maybe Mr. Manifesto, @sshindel , can help me more accurately identify the proper version number) does not carry the number of headliners nor supporting attractions any longer. It's appeal is now skewing much older despite the "toonification" renovation of attractions. (In person, I can ramble on about this park becoming the 80s and 90s Vegas equivalent, but that is a discussion I prefer to have a drink in my hand for.) There is a dearth of attractions in relation to the massive footprint of this park and "Future World" has lost it's edutainment and an entire pavilion. The slow decent into outdoor mall with a few diversionary attractions has been gut wrenching and a little soul crushing. (Needed to make sure that last sentence had enough hyperbole.) There are additions on the way.....no...actually....replacements.....yes... replacements on the way. We will replace the 5 senses, in the misleading attraction named Journey into Imagination, with emotions. We will replace one of the last edutainment attractions about energy with a PG13 superhero attraction. We will continue to ignore the pavilion that sits quietly still, unless there is a festival, and it's lost attractions. Wow, this is a long paragraph, I can see how this whole park would inspire a manifesto. I'll move on, because there is so much more I could rail on about.

Now we get to the subject matter and purpose of this thread, the re-casting of DHS. ToyStoryLand is a neat concept. It has been done very poorly in other parts of the world. The original proposal and artistic presentation at D23 had some appeal. The problem is, it doesn't even replace the lost capacity in the area. It's not close. To your point of balance, the park has a lack of compelling attractions beyond it's headliners. In fact, there are only 2 attractions that aren't headliners. This park's identity is being re-crafted because there is so much that needs to be added. Currently, there are 6 attractions. There are 2 or 3 exhibits depending on how you count. The only visible, kinetic action in the park is elevator doors. The capacity (in terms of attractions) in this park is so lacking, it's hard to believe that it sits on 135 acres. (For fun, Disneyland is 85 acres and DCA is 67.) You can't spread people around when you offer so little in 3 other parks. Of course, DHS is the weakest offering.

Now let's visit the zoo. At least with Animal Kingdom, you are making use of space. There is visible outdoor motion. There is adherence to a theme. Your headliners are desirable and spread across ages and interests. Expedition Everest, Kali, Kilimanjaro Safari, and Dinosuar can be people eating attractions. The roadside carnival is a disgrace, but it's 2 attractions seem to keep kids busy. The zoo exhibits are well done and there is a beautiful new expansion being built as we speak. There is still far to little to do here to keep the crowds. The 2 new attractions will be highly sought after. Your FastPassMinus queue will be Pandora attractions and KS...... or maybe EE. But there will still not be enough to keep the crowds from MK. They might be able to get some night time guests here with Pandora and RoL.

The fix is to build more than TSL and SWL in DHS. There are more things proposed for that park that would help immeasurably. The southern area could add it's 2 or 3 attractions before the 2020 target. The replacement for Animation Courtyard could be quite something. Stepping up to do these things at this park would help balance some attendance. I have to ask though, does 11 or 12 total attractions sound like enough? Yeah....Sounds lite to me too....

*1023*
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Bravo! I'd post that GIF of Charles Foster Kane emphatically applauding, but we all know what it looks like. So I'll spare everyone the seizures and bandwidth.

As most of us on these boards realize, the Iger years have basically been the "lost decade" for WDW. Apart from MM+ and DVC, there was minimal investment in the parks, most new attractions merely replaced older, existing ones, and when we have gotten an "expansion," it's been big on space and style and very short on substance.

And unfortunately Dinorama: Toy Story Edition is just more of the same, but even worse because it looks like we're not even getting the style! At least Pandora and SWL should look amazing, but even they're still light on actual rides and things to do. And that means that even after this latest construction binge is over, they'e still going to have 3 parks that are woefully short of their potential.
 
Haymarket2008

Haymarket2008

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1023 said:
This is largely true overall. They are looking to spread out the crowds. The real problem is a lack of headliners to draw guests to the parks that are lightly attended and a lack of compelling C and D tickets to keep them there. (When I use those words, I am comparing the other 3 parks to Magic Kingdom.) Let's look around a bit at our favorite Florida resort, shall we.

Magic Kingdom is chock full of headliners. It was graced with a bunch of these from opening day. It had the benefit of the "grand daddy of them all" to use as a blueprint. You have Pirates, Haunted Mansion, Splash Mountain, Big Thunder Mountain, Space Mountain, It's a Small World After All (version 2 electric boogaloo) and a whole slate of other D & C ticket offerings. The rides cover the spectrum of interests and age ranges. It's a real life demographic canvas.

Epcot version 2.X ( maybe Mr. Manifesto, @sshindel , can help me more accurately identify the proper version number) does not carry the number of headliners nor supporting attractions any longer. It's appeal is now skewing much older despite the "toonification" renovation of attractions. (In person, I can ramble on about this park becoming the 80s and 90s Vegas equivalent, but that is a discussion I prefer to have a drink in my hand for.) There is a dearth of attractions in relation to the massive footprint of this park and "Future World" has lost it's edutainment and an entire pavilion. The slow decent into outdoor mall with a few diversionary attractions has been gut wrenching and a little soul crushing. (Needed to make sure that last sentence had enough hyperbole.) There are additions on the way.....no...actually....replacements.....yes... replacements on the way. We will replace the 5 senses, in the misleading attraction named Journey into Imagination, with emotions. We will replace one of the last edutainment attractions about energy with a PG13 superhero attraction. We will continue to ignore the pavilion that sits quietly still, unless there is a festival, and it's lost attractions. Wow, this is a long paragraph, I can see how this whole park would inspire a manifesto. I'll move on, because there is so much more I could rail on about.

Now we get to the subject matter and purpose of this thread, the re-casting of DHS. ToyStoryLand is a neat concept. It has been done very poorly in other parts of the world. The original proposal and artistic presentation at D23 had some appeal. The problem is, it doesn't even replace the lost capacity in the area. It's not close. To your point of balance, the park has a lack of compelling attractions beyond it's headliners. In fact, there are only 2 attractions that aren't headliners. This park's identity is being re-crafted because there is so much that needs to be added. Currently, there are 6 attractions. There are 2 or 3 exhibits depending on how you count. The only visible, kinetic action in the park is elevator doors. The capacity (in terms of attractions) in this park is so lacking, it's hard to believe that it sits on 135 acres. (For fun, Disneyland is 85 acres and DCA is 67.) You can't spread people around when you offer so little in 3 other parks. Of course, DHS is the weakest offering.

Now let's visit the zoo. At least with Animal Kingdom, you are making use of space. There is visible outdoor motion. There is adherence to a theme. Your headliners are desirable and spread across ages and interests. Expedition Everest, Kali, Kilimanjaro Safari, and Dinosuar can be people eating attractions. The roadside carnival is a disgrace, but it's 2 attractions seem to keep kids busy. The zoo exhibits are well done and there is a beautiful new expansion being built as we speak. There is still far to little to do here to keep the crowds. The 2 new attractions will be highly sought after. Your FastPassMinus queue will be Pandora attractions and KS...... or maybe EE. But there will still not be enough to keep the crowds from MK. They might be able to get some night time guests here with Pandora and RoL.

The fix is to build more than TSL and SWL in DHS. There are more things proposed for that park that would help immeasurably. The southern area could add it's 2 or 3 attractions before the 2020 target. The replacement for Animation Courtyard could be quite something. Stepping up to do these things at this park would help balance some attendance. I have to ask though, does 11 or 12 total attractions sound like enough? Yeah....Sounds lite to me too....

*1023*
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If you are able to elaborate, could you give an indication as to what might be in store for the Animation Courtyard? And what southern part of the park are you referring to when you say 2-3 attractions may be going there?
 
DinoInstitute

DinoInstitute

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atighe42 said:
If you are able to elaborate, could you give an indication as to what might be in store for the Animation Courtyard? And what southern part of the park are you referring to when you say 2-3 attractions may be going there?
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The 2-3 number in the southern area before 2020 catches my eye as well. I assume 2 of them will be the SWL rides, but a possible third? Perhaps this could this be a new Muppets attraction (hopefully).
 
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doctornick

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roj2323 said:
I understand your thinking but disney does run the 4 parks as separate businesses. They all have their own budgets, leadership exc. You can bet that DHS will be pulling some weird tricks to try and keep attendance up. Special events, shows, possibly a parade should all be expected in addition to plussing current attractions like Fantasmic and BaTB. (new scene for fant! and a refresh for BaTB i'm thinking) Fireworks shows will continue for a good while and I suspect we will be getting something bigger than the Starwars fireworks show post holidays to make sure people still keep coming. Time will tell but the next 18-24 months should be quite interesting at DHS.
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If they are doing "weird tricks", why don't they actually bring back a daytime parade at DHS? The storage facilities still exist and the parade route is free of any impediments. I would think they could bring back Pixar Pals Countdown to Fun quite quickly if they are willing to pay for CMs to run it.
 
roj2323

roj2323

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doctornick said:
If they are doing "weird tricks", why don't they actually bring back a daytime parade at DHS? The storage facilities still exist and the parade route is free of any impediments. I would think they could bring back Pixar Pals Countdown to Fun quite quickly if they are willing to pay for CMs to run it.
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It's a good question. I don't know really. The only thing I can think of is perhaps they are waiting for the new fiscal year to start next month before making any announcements.
 
Mike S

Mike S

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hpyhnt 1000 said:
Bravo! I'd post that GIF of Charles Foster Kane emphatically applauding, but we all know what it looks like. So I'll spare everyone the seizures and bandwidth.

As most of us on these boards realize, the Iger years have basically been the "lost decade" for WDW. Apart from MM+ and DVC, there was minimal investment in the parks, most new attractions merely replaced older, existing ones, and when we have gotten an "expansion," it's been big on space and style and very short on substance.

And unfortunately Dinorama: Toy Story Edition is just more of the same, but even worse because it looks like we're not even getting the style! At least Pandora and SWL should look amazing, but even they're still light on actual rides and things to do. And that means that even after this latest construction binge is over, they'e still going to have 3 parks that are woefully short of their potential.
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At least the 2 rides each in Avatar and SWL sound very substantial to make up for the lack of others.
 
1023

1023

Provocateur, Rancanteur, Plaisanter, du Jour
atighe42 said:
If you are able to elaborate, could you give an indication as to what might be in store for the Animation Courtyard? And what southern part of the park are you referring to when you say 2-3 attractions may be going there?
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IDInstitute said:
The 2-3 number in the southern area before 2020 catches my eye as well. I assume 2 of them will be the SWL rides, but a possible third? Perhaps this could this be a new Muppets attraction (hopefully).
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Direwolf27 said:
Don't get my hopes up ;)
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I would love to elaborate and I will when I can.

*1023*
 
Thanks phoenicians

Thanks phoenicians

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1023 said:
This is largely true overall. They are looking to spread out the crowds. The real problem is a lack of headliners to draw guests to the parks that are lightly attended and a lack of compelling C and D tickets to keep them there. (When I use those words, I am comparing the other 3 parks to Magic Kingdom.) Let's look around a bit at our favorite Florida resort, shall we.

Magic Kingdom is chock full of headliners. It was graced with a bunch of these from opening day. It had the benefit of the "grand daddy of them all" to use as a blueprint. You have Pirates, Haunted Mansion, Splash Mountain, Big Thunder Mountain, Space Mountain, It's a Small World After All (version 2 electric boogaloo) and a whole slate of other D & C ticket offerings. The rides cover the spectrum of interests and age ranges. It's a real life demographic canvas.

Epcot version 2.X ( maybe Mr. Manifesto, @sshindel , can help me more accurately identify the proper version number) does not carry the number of headliners nor supporting attractions any longer. It's appeal is now skewing much older despite the "toonification" renovation of attractions. (In person, I can ramble on about this park becoming the 80s and 90s Vegas equivalent, but that is a discussion I prefer to have a drink in my hand for.) There is a dearth of attractions in relation to the massive footprint of this park and "Future World" has lost it's edutainment and an entire pavilion. The slow decent into outdoor mall with a few diversionary attractions has been gut wrenching and a little soul crushing. (Needed to make sure that last sentence had enough hyperbole.) There are additions on the way.....no...actually....replacements.....yes... replacements on the way. We will replace the 5 senses, in the misleading attraction named Journey into Imagination, with emotions. We will replace one of the last edutainment attractions about energy with a PG13 superhero attraction. We will continue to ignore the pavilion that sits quietly still, unless there is a festival, and it's lost attractions. Wow, this is a long paragraph, I can see how this whole park would inspire a manifesto. I'll move on, because there is so much more I could rail on about.

Now we get to the subject matter and purpose of this thread, the re-casting of DHS. ToyStoryLand is a neat concept. It has been done very poorly in other parts of the world. The original proposal and artistic presentation at D23 had some appeal. The problem is, it doesn't even replace the lost capacity in the area. It's not close. To your point of balance, the park has a lack of compelling attractions beyond it's headliners. In fact, there are only 2 attractions that aren't headliners. This park's identity is being re-crafted because there is so much that needs to be added. Currently, there are 6 attractions. There are 2 or 3 exhibits depending on how you count. The only visible, kinetic action in the park is elevator doors. The capacity (in terms of attractions) in this park is so lacking, it's hard to believe that it sits on 135 acres. (For fun, Disneyland is 85 acres and DCA is 67.) You can't spread people around when you offer so little in 3 other parks. Of course, DHS is the weakest offering.

Now let's visit the zoo. At least with Animal Kingdom, you are making use of space. There is visible outdoor motion. There is adherence to a theme. Your headliners are desirable and spread across ages and interests. Expedition Everest, Kali, Kilimanjaro Safari, and Dinosuar can be people eating attractions. The roadside carnival is a disgrace, but it's 2 attractions seem to keep kids busy. The zoo exhibits are well done and there is a beautiful new expansion being built as we speak. There is still far to little to do here to keep the crowds. The 2 new attractions will be highly sought after. Your FastPassMinus queue will be Pandora attractions and KS...... or maybe EE. But there will still not be enough to keep the crowds from MK. They might be able to get some night time guests here with Pandora and RoL.

The fix is to build more than TSL and SWL in DHS. There are more things proposed for that park that would help immeasurably. The southern area could add it's 2 or 3 attractions before the 2020 target. The replacement for Animation Courtyard could be quite something. Stepping up to do these things at this park would help balance some attendance. I have to ask though, does 11 or 12 total attractions sound like enough? Yeah....Sounds lite to me too....

*1023*
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Interesting note about animation courtyard and the 2-3 attractions in the southern edge of dhs. I know the third SWL attraction was cut so the only other thing I could think of is something muppets. As for animation I thought others had said that wasn't part of the plans for now but I sure hope you're right.
 

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