Rumor Tower of Terror to gain new theme?

[Tom Morrow]

So they weren't disagreeing that it was well-received, they just think it lacks merit? Does that offend you?

If someone's entire argument that a well-received attraction is bad is essentially "because people are stupid, unlike me", that is annoying and is stereotypical fanboy elitism attitude.

Again, why bring this up if no one's talking about it? What does it have to do with your point? "Your opinion is wrong because six years ago different people also had wrong opinions"? Two people think the M:S overlay was lazy and lacking. Do you disagree? Please discuss what you enjoy about the ride that counters their opinion.

I'm not sure how you don't see the relevance.

 

[The_Jobu]

I'm not sure how you don't see the relevance.

Because those things were said six years ago by different people.

I still don't know what you like about the M:B overlay. Why don't you try to prove them wrong by arguing it's merits? They have specifically said that the screens and music are uninspired. Do you disagree? What do you like about the attraction?

 

[Tom Morrow]

Because those things were said six years ago by different people.

I still don't know what you like about the M:B overlay. Why don't you try to prove them wrong by arguing it's merits? They have specifically said that the screens and music are uninspired. Do you disagree? What do you like about the attraction?

They were said six years ago and all the way up until Pandora finally opened 8 months ago, then people actually saw the land and rode Flight of Passage and realized it was good. Similar reactions in this situation.

I don't like the facade of M:S or placing it in an area it doesn't thematically fit. But I do think the interior queue is excellent with just as many little details and easter eggs as ToT. The pre-show with the Rocket animatronic is top-notch. I like that the story is very straight-forward and to the point. It's very clear that yes, this is supposed to be a fun party-type ride and atmosphere. The lighting design throughout is fantastic, in the queue, loading area, and especially on the ride. I'm a lover of sound and audio design and M:B is top notch in these categories. The ride profile has probably 10 times the amount of lighting effects and enhancements than ToT did. I think the use of different upbeat musical tracks is genius use of a main element of the IP and a way to make the ride more exciting. Most importantly though, this is a far better use of the DCA Tower ride system: the setup makes more sense for the story, and allows for immediate and constant fast motion, making the overall ride more exciting.

My major complaint is not the use of a screen, as the screen actually looks really good with the parallax effect, but rather that you return to it too many times, and the show scene for the actual physical reactor is not long enough.

So it's not perfect, but calling it trash is pure fanboy knee-jerkism akin to insisting that Flight of Passage would be bad.

 

[The_Jobu]

But I do think the interior queue is excellent with just as many little details and easter eggs as ToT. The pre-show with the Rocket animatronic is top-notch. I like that the story is very straight-forward and to the point. It's very clear that yes, this is supposed to be a fun party-type ride and atmosphere.

Thank you. You bring up some excellent, specific and applicable points.

 

[rle4lunch]

It amazes me that so many people poo poo IPs to nearly the point of anarchy against Disney top brass, but when their precious and beloved Twilight Zone IP is threatened their hypocritical claws come out ready to defend it to the death.

Proof enough that IPs aren't the problem with attractions, but build quality and storyline immersion are the true culprits.

 

[Castle Cake Apologist]

It amazes me that so many people poo poo IPs to nearly the point of anarchy against Disney top brass, but when their precious and beloved Twilight Zone IP is threatened their hypocritical claws come out ready to defend it to the death.

Proof enough that IPs aren't the problem with attractions, but build quality and storyline immersion are the true culprits.

As has been pointed out many times in this thread alone, ToT was not designed solely as a means of shoving The Twilight Zone into a theme park. Many stages of the ride's development did not even feature Twilight Zone at all. That is clearly different than the current mandate to shove currently-popular franchises into the parks wherever possible.

You can be as condescending as you want toward people who appreciate the thematic integrity of the parks, but that doesn't change facts.

 

[rle4lunch]

As has been pointed out many times in this thread alone, ToT was not designed solely as a means of shoving The Twilight Zone into a theme park. Many stages of the ride's development did not even feature Twilight Zone at all. That is clearly different than the current mandate to shove currently-popular franchises into the parks wherever possible.

You can be as condescending as you want toward people who appreciate the thematic integrity of the parks, but that doesn't change facts.

It's still an IP.

And, just my opinion, but as much as Frozen has been milked in the parks, retheming maelstrom worked. Maelstrom was an ill conceived value built weirdo ride with a dang infomercial for Norwegian cruise lines Built into the ride and a video for the Norway tourism board! Talk about c r a p, that's the definition.

I haven't ridden mission breakout yet, but there's no denying that people enjoy it. I would've rather seen it stay in its former glory, but hey, things change. If I don't like it when I finally get to ride it, hey, guess what, I won't ride it again. I feel the same about other attractions as well. I'll find a different FP to book. Big deal.

 

[Bairstow]

Exactly. I'm not a huge fan of projection-mapping, but the Fifth Dimension scene is ripe for being gutted and redesigned for a far more immersive scene enhanced by projection-mapping effects.

You know, I wonder- does anyone know if Disney has experimented with putting the projectors on the drop vehicle itself? That way the entire shaft could be themed the whole way up and down. Guardians doesn't utilize that technique, does it?

 

[marni1971]

It amazes me that so many people poo poo IPs to nearly the point of anarchy against Disney top brass, but when their precious and beloved Twilight Zone IP is threatened their hypocritical claws come out ready to defend it to the death.

Proof enough that IPs aren't the problem with attractions, but build quality and storyline immersion are the true culprits.

As has been said so often, IP alone isn’t the main problem.

 

[rle4lunch]

As has been said so often, IP alone isn’t the main problem.

I wholeheartedly agree. The blanket statement on these boards that it "is" though, is the problem.

I've said on numerous threads that everything, everything, at Disney is an IP. They've been politely and legally poaching ideas for 80 years. This current wave is nothing new. It's just now that Disney is investing on more than one major project every decade (another topic altogether), that it's seen as dramatic and lazy moves by corporate heads.

I'm not defending them in any way, as they've missed the mark quite a few times on stuff, but I'm giving them a pass on a lot, because they're adapting to their environment. Not everyone is gonna be happy, no matter what.

 

[Castle Cake Apologist]

It's still an IP.

If you really can't see the difference between an IP being chosen as the best plot device for an already established story and an attraction being developed solely as a means of pushing an IP into a park that it doesn't belong in, I don't know what to tell you.

Nobody is against IP inclusion as a whole when it works and is the best way to further the story. See ToT, Splash Mountain, etc. People ARE against the new company mandate to only create attractions based on current IPs and then put them wherever they please. It's far below the standards of the company that virtually created themed entertainment.

 

[rle4lunch]

If you really can't see the difference between an IP being chosen as the best plot device for an already established story and an attraction being developed solely as a means of pushing an IP into a park that it doesn't belong in, I don't know what to tell you.

Nobody is against IP inclusion as a whole when it works and is the best way to further the story. See ToT, Splash Mountain, etc. People ARE against the new company mandate to only create attractions based on current IPs and then put them wherever they please. It's far below the standards of the company that virtually created themed entertainment.

I think you conveniently missed my post directly above your reply.

 

[Castle Cake Apologist]

I think you conveniently missed my post directly above your reply.

My apologies, I was responding at work and actually didn't see it. But even in that post, you're making the blanket statement that fans opposed to things like Guardians at Epcot are opposed to any IP in the parks. This is obviously untrue, as many attractions featuring IP are held in very high regard. This thread alone is evidence of that.
The issue that people take is specifically with the use and placement of the IP and the fact that the company has imposed restrictions on WDI that only allow them to use IP when developing attractions. Not to mention the new trend of creating lands centered completely around specific franchises, severely limiting creative development.

 

[larryz]

You can be as condescending as you want toward people who appreciate the thematic integrity of the parks, but that doesn't change facts.

There's a fat line between "appreciate" and "worship."

 

[TROR]

Anyways I don't know what's going on here but I just wanted to say those who enjoy Mission Breakout over Tower of Terror are in fact intellectually inferior to me and have small, cavemen brains.

 

[larryz]

Anyways I don't know what's going on here but I just wanted to say those who enjoy Mission Breakout over Tower of Terror are in fact intellectually inferior to me and have small, cavemen brains.

 

[smile]

This current wave is nothing new.

well, it's easy to see in retrospect the genius in play when walt bought flash gordon and dedicated a large section of his park to it, but back then we were all a little worried...
i'm just glad it didn't creatively stunt the entire organization

 

[WDWTank]

If you really can't see the difference between an IP being chosen as the best plot device for an already established story and an attraction being developed solely as a means of pushing an IP into a park that it doesn't belong in, I don't know what to tell you.

Nobody is against IP inclusion as a whole when it works and is the best way to further the story. See ToT, Splash Mountain, etc. People ARE against the new company mandate to only create attractions based on current IPs and then put them wherever they please. It's far below the standards of the company that virtually created themed entertainment.

I didn’t even know that was an actual rule. What a shame. I wouldn’t be suprised if DIS stocks went down and volatile.

 

[WDWTank]

If you really can't see the difference between an IP being chosen as the best plot device for an already established story and an attraction being developed solely as a means of pushing an IP into a park that it doesn't belong in, I don't know what to tell you.

Nobody is against IP inclusion as a whole when it works and is the best way to further the story. See ToT, Splash Mountain, etc. People ARE against the new company mandate to only create attractions based on current IPs and then put them wherever they please. It's far below the standards of the company that virtually created themed entertainment.

Why is it still called “Imagineering” when it’s unimaginative?

 

[Tom Morrow]

You know, I wonder- does anyone know if Disney has experimented with putting the projectors on the drop vehicle itself? That way the entire shaft could be themed the whole way up and down. Guardians doesn't utilize that technique, does it?

It doesn't, but the lift vehicle, or "VVC", on Guardians is equipped with a very dynamic lighting package.