Rumor Tower of Terror to gain new theme?

Castle Cake Apologist

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There were people who complained about the original Tower of Terror, saying it's just a big and flashy thrill with no substance and they would have rather had a long, immersive dark ride.

Who are these people? ToT is one of the most thought-out, detailed, and nuanced attractions that WDI has ever created, honestly among the ranks of classics like PotC and HM. It would baffle me that anybody would think that its layers of story telling are without substance.

As far as the argument that you're in the middle of goes, I don't really think it was that difficult for GotG:MB to be successful. It's literally the same thrilling and popular ride as before, but with a currently-popular movie franchise shoved into it. I find it hard to believe that anybody could possibly say that it is a better attraction, though.

Especially from an artistic standpoint.
 

RobotWolf

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you know, that storyline has worked and no one has really questioned it.

With respect, If you've never heard anyone question it, you should understand that this questioning could still be happening elsewhere in someone else's experience.

I think your questioning of the storyline and plot are nitpicking what is a near flawless production.

I have enjoyed your posts in the past. But I don't think you would appreciate it if someone dismissed your contribution to the conversation as 'nitpicking.' Although it would not be unfair to characterize some of your own posts as such. In both of our defense, nitpicking is what we do here. The focus on detail is what makes the difference between an Imagineer and a six flags engineer.

Additionally, I have difficulty understanding someone who has experienced the fifth dimension scene describing it as 'near flawless.' Unless this scene is what adds the qualification 'near.' I would honestly like to know how this scene works in your opinion.

There is so much great design and imagineering in this attraction. Which, in my opinion, makes the flaws more apparent. But it is not surprising that opinions diverge when looking at the attraction as a whole.
 

FigmentForver96

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The ride has stood proudly for years. The TZ theme has worked to enhance the ride because sometimes the "theme" doesn't have to beat you in the face until you are blue. The story sets itself up from the very beginning of entering the park. It entities and it stands tall but also alone. When you're in the queue you feel far from the rest of the park like you're in a part of town nobody has been to in ages. (This is something the others Towers never accomplished. It was just PLOP this building is abandoned). The voice of Rod Serling alone (or his close voice over) makes the ride narration special. One of the best lines of the ride is right before you drop "You are about to experience what lies beyond the 5th dimension, beyond the deepest darkest corners of the imagination, in the Tower of Terror". 5th dimension, Rod Serling, everything works so flawless to enhance the show that a ride has not been built with such detail and creativity to date. Anyone who cannot appreciate this ride and the TZ themeing for what it really is I guess just doesn't get it. The ride could use some updates sure but the theme is fine. Leave. It. Alone.
 

Kram Sacul

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In the Parks
Yes
Yes, you're so much more enlightened than those plebs that enjoy a ride that your fanboyism tells you to hate. :rolleyes:

I know many die-hard Tower of Terror fans that were sure they would hate it until they actually rode it and ended up loving it.

You don’t know a lot of fans then.

I also have a hard time imagining anybody loving what is essentially a cheap and fast overlay. It’s basically ToT with with some Planet Hollywood style displays strewn throughout the queue and some big screen TVs in the actual ride. It’s fun but it’s a chaotic mess of random video clips and loud music.

Anyway, back to discussing how to ruin Florida’s ToT.
 

FigmentForver96

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In isolation it's rated higher, but a theme park is more than the sum of its parts. Did I say that already?
It's in a theme park where right now it fits the theme of its surroundings, has decent capacity, has little to no down time, and had a lower height limit. It does great in the theme park it is in.
 

Tom Morrow

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You don’t know a lot of fans then.
I guess knowing many individuals closely involved with the ride and its' coming to fruition doesn't count.

I don't think you guys have been paying attention if you haven't seen what a massive hit M:B is among the general public and die-hard purists alike. Also, everyone is acting like M:B replaced a ride on the same caliber as DHS ToT, but the DCA ToT was not nearly as good and calling M:B a downgrade comes down to personal preference. For one thing, the DCA ride system is better suited for the M:B story.
The ride has stood proudly for years. The TZ theme has worked to enhance the ride because sometimes the "theme" doesn't have to beat you in the face until you are blue. The story sets itself up from the very beginning of entering the park. It entities and it stands tall but also alone. When you're in the queue you feel far from the rest of the park like you're in a part of town nobody has been to in ages. (This is something the others Towers never accomplished. It was just PLOP this building is abandoned). The voice of Rod Serling alone (or his close voice over) makes the ride narration special. One of the best lines of the ride is right before you drop "You are about to experience what lies beyond the 5th dimension, beyond the deepest darkest corners of the imagination, in the Tower of Terror". 5th dimension, Rod Serling, everything works so flawless to enhance the show that a ride has not been built with such detail and creativity to date. Anyone who cannot appreciate this ride and the TZ themeing for what it really is I guess just doesn't get it. The ride could use some updates sure but the theme is fine. Leave. It. Alone.
You are not grasping that the story of the Hollywood Tower Hotel works perfectly without The Twilight Zone branding. Yes, I would miss the pre-show, musical cues, and Rod Serling's narration, but something just as cool and creepy could be conjured up. I mean, they managed it in the Disney channel movie, right? Obviously I wouldn't want it to be as corny as that movie, but as long as they retain the key elements: the forgotten golden age of Hollywood, the allure and creepiness of an abandoned, once thriving and celebrated building, and rifts in time and space, it can still work. The enduring love for ToT has little to do with the Twilight Zone property and is mostly because of those key elements. The original Twilight Zone show, being an anthology series, has nothing to even borrow from to create a new original experience other than Rod Serling himself and the musical cues... it's honestly more or less just branding... (like slapping "Cloverfield" on two movies that were previously unrelated to it :p.)

You mentioned how a theme doesn't have to beat you in the face until you are blue... yet in ToT, you literally have the opening sequence of the show thrown in your face throughout. The entire fifth dimension scene is as in your face as it gets with the giant floating items that have nothing to do with the Hollywood Tower Hotel story and are there just in case it wasn't already absolutely clear that you are traversing dimensions.
 

Kram Sacul

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In the Parks
Yes
I guess knowing many individuals closely involved with the ride and its' coming to fruition doesn't count.

So Joe Rhode counts as a fan now? lol

I don't think you guys have been paying attention if you haven't seen what a massive hit M:B is among the general public and die-hard purists alike. Also, everyone is acting like M:B replaced a ride on the same caliber as DHS ToT, but the DCA ToT was not nearly as good and calling M:B a downgrade comes down to personal preference. For one thing, the DCA ride system is better suited for the M:B story.

It’s such a massive hit that the lines have gone down to where it was before it was converted into a garbage factory. Money well spent.

The story of randomly bouncing up and down in front of a big screen TV while an unseen rodent yells things. I don’t know how they’ll top themselves.
 

Tom Morrow

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So Joe Rhode counts as a fan now? lol
I'm talking about the original ToT.

It’s such a massive hit that the lines have gone down to where it was before it was converted into a garbage factory. Money well spent.

The story of randomly bouncing up and down in front of a big screen TV while an unseen rodent yells things. I don’t know how they’ll top themselves.
Oh man, the story of bouncing up and down in front of a mirror and a hallway while an unseen man says ominous things... I don't know how they'll top themselves.

Oh, like how Harry Potter and the Forbidden Journey / Escape from Gringotts had 2-3 hour waits when they first opened and now they're usually 20-30 minutes? Obviously it must mean because everyone hates those rides.
 

Kram Sacul

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In the Parks
Yes
Oh man, the story of bouncing up and down in front of a mirror and a hallway while an unseen man says ominous things... I don't know how they'll top themselves.

Yes, because that’s exactly what happens on the ride. No build up. No suspense. Just three minutes of drops while an old band plays music.

Oh, like how Harry Potter and the Forbidden Journey / Escape from Gringotts had 2-3 hour waits when they first opened and now they're usually 20-30 minutes? Obviously it must mean because everyone hates those rides.

20 to 30 minutes? That’s amazing. I must’ve missed those days.
 

Tom Morrow

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What exactly is your goal? Being disingenuous about one of Disney's greatest attractions isn't helping you.
I'm trying to show how stupid it is to rage-hate on a ride because your fanboyism tells you to hate it, in addition to acting like one thrill ride is for intellectuals while the other is for mouth breathing plebs. I mean, you guys have this attitude and then you wonder why TDO doesn't give a crap about your opinions.

Also please remember that when comparing Mission: Breakout, we are talking about the DCA Tower of Terror and NOT the superior Florida Tower of Terror, and DCA's Tower of Terror was NOT one of Disney's greatest attractions of all time (though they did take far better care of it's show quality).
 

Tom Morrow

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Who are you speaking to?
Everyone ignoring that M:S is a well-received success, covering their ears going "NO IT'S ACTUALLY TRASH", when they probably haven't even ridden it.

The same people that were so sure that Pandora was going to suck, too. But then, oh, wait, Flight of Passage is easily a top 10 attraction at WDW.

Also, for the record, I'm not even a fan of Marvel, or Guardians, and definitely not a fan of placing IP in places it doesn't thematically fit. But I won't let that stop me from acknowledging a well-executed attraction on it's own merits.
 
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The_Jobu

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By "everyone" you mean the two people who said it's well-recieved but not a top attraction in their view?

And who are these Pandora strawmen you're talking about? I haven't seen that mentioned at all.

Do you like M:S? Do you think it's better than Cali ToT? Just say why you feel that way and counter like for like. It's much easier on everyone.

Once again, I'm not trying to argue with you. I'm not even going to share my opinion on this matter, I'm just following along.
 

Tom Morrow

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By "everyone" you mean the two people who said it's well-recieved but not a top attraction in their view?
They said it was garbage trash and later retracted with "well I guess it's okay if I turn off my superior brain."

And who are these Pandora strawmen you're talking about? I haven't seen that mentioned at all.
How long have you been posting here? WDW fanboys were complaining about Pandora for six years.
 

The_Jobu

Well-Known Member
They said it was garbage trash and later retracted with "well I guess it's okay if I turn off my superior brain."

So they weren't disagreeing that it was well-received, they just think it lacks merit? Does that offend you?

WDW fanboys were complaining about Pandora for six years.

Again, why bring this up if no one's talking about it? What does it have to do with your point? "Your opinion is wrong because six years ago different people also had wrong opinions"? Two people think the M:S overlay was lazy and lacking. Do you disagree? Please discuss what you enjoy about the ride that counters their opinion.
 

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