Tomorrowland Overhaul Speculation

[mickEblu]

It will be interesting how they handle this attraction if and when they open it after the closer.

The attraction already has a low capacity and slow loading time. It is an enclosed small room and people need to hold on to railings going up and down the stairs and Seats are tightly packed as well. I wonder if it would even open for a while.

Well, from what I’ve read a good portion of Avatar 2 takes place underwater....

 

[Phroobar]

Well, from what I’ve read a good portion of Avatar 2 takes place underwater....

Oooh. Your submarine has special tech that opens a underwater wormhole to Pandora. Imagine underwater mechs fighting those tall smurfs in scuba gear. You arrive at the underwater Pandora base and take a flight on a Banshee. However there has to be a volcano in there somewhere.

 

[Nland316]

Would removing the Peoplemover tracks be more for cosmetic reasons or are there actual safety concerns with them staying up?

I can see there being more or less urgency to take them down dependent on which answer it is.

 

[Phroobar]

Would removing the Peoplemover tracks be more for cosmetic reasons or are there actual safety concerns with them staying up?

I can see there being more or less urgency to take them down dependent on which answer it is.

If there were safety concerns they would have been removed years ago. Heck, look at all the things at Magic Mountain from the 70s that are still standing. As long as they pass earthquake tests, it is cheaper to keep them then remove them.

 

[DanielBB8]

That rumor is been going on for twenty years. I guess someday it will be correct.

This rumor was very recent.

That is more of a fan wish/rumor than anything real. Just like any other ride, I'm sure it gets the prescribed amount of maintenance it needs. I also don't believe it has excessive downtime. I believe Disney removing it is about as likely as the Matterhorn falling into the sub lagoon when they drain it for repaints.

It's more likely than not especially since they once closed it. It's more of a fan wish that it remains opens than to close it. I really don't understand your reverse psychology on this. But I prefer they replace both Autopia and Submarines for a Tron ride.

 

[Phroobar]

This rumor was very recent.

Hardly. People have been screaming about that since Rocket Rods when DOA.

It's more likely than not especially since they once closed it. It's more of a fan wish that it remains opens than to close it. I really don't understand your reverse psychology on this. But I prefer they replace both Autopia and Submarines for a Tron ride.

The time they closed it was because they were planning an Atlantis ride. They had to stop when the movie went belly up and couldn't come up with a replacement IP. At that time Presler was in charge and ride maintenance wasn't top priority. Personally I would rather not see a glorified Six Flags coaster taking up so much land.

 

[DanielBB8]

Hardly. People have been screaming about that since Rocket Rods when DOA.

People screaming about it is not the same as a rumor that Disney will do it. I believe Disney was moving forward on it before the pandemic. They already removed the french fry rocks. They were making the necessary moves to keep the demolition going. They removed the concrete seating at the People Mover columns too.

The time they closed it was because they were planning an Atlantis ride. They had to stop when the movie went belly up and couldn't come up with a replacement IP. At that time Presler was in charge and ride maintenance wasn't top priority. Personally I would rather not see a glorified Six Flags coaster taking up so much land.

Pressler wanted to close it. It was no different than closing the People Mover. He did it to save money. That was the mentality then. Whether there was an Atlantis ride, it didn't change the dynamic that this ride will close.

 

[Phroobar]

People screaming about it is not the same as a rumor that Disney will do it. I believe Disney was moving forward on it before the pandemic. They already removed the french fry rocks. They were making the necessary moves to keep the demolition going. They removed the concrete seating at the People Mover columns too.

That doesn't mean it has anymore weight behind it then it did twenty years ago. There has been no survey markings or indication of a removal. Once they removed the seating, why didn't they go all the way and take sections of the track out instead of repaving around them? That is pure speculation that they would keep the demolition going. They didn't even move a trash can.

 

[DanielBB8]

That doesn't mean it has anymore weight behind it then it did twenty years ago. There has been no survey markings or indication of a removal. Once they removed the seating, why didn't they go all the way and take sections of the track out instead of repaving around them? That is pure speculation that they would keep the demolition going. They didn't even move a trash can.

The speculation was from this forum site.

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[Phroobar]

The speculation was from this forum site.

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And that proves what? I can go back even farther here for the same rumor on this site. It is just wishful thinking with nothing to back it up. We are not exactly known for our accuracy around here. I'm sure it will happen someday but it has as much chance to be linked back here as my dream of Horizons 2.0 becoming reality.

 

[truecoat]

I've heard people talk about People Mover Track removal since at least when I started browsing fan sites in 2005.

As for the nemo subs. They are garbage. Don't remember the original version too well as I was pretty young.

I know when the nemo subs came out everyone defended them because "at least the submarines are back". I'd rather have no ride than the nemo submarines.

Avatar would be great though like another poster suggested. Judging from the quality of the Disney World Rides, I'm sure they could make a fun underwater version of Navi River Journey.

Yep, Cameron has stated this film will have a lot of underwater scenes. Here's a picture of the filming from a tank. The white area on the water are beads floating on top to keep the lights from interfering with the underwater filming. He did the same thing in the Abyss by using little black beads on top of the water to block out the light while filming at an abandoned nuclear plant.

 

[britain]

IF the economy rebounds, AND Avatar 2 proves to be a powerful hit, MAYBE we'll see something related to it added to DL's Tomorrowland in the future.

But as for a wholesale TL remodel? I think COVID-19 just kicked that can into the 2030s. The current philosophy is "Everything that can be delayed or cancelled will be delayed or cancelled."

 

[SuddenStorm]

IF the economy rebounds, AND Avatar 2 proves to be a powerful hit, MAYBE we'll see something related to it added to DL's Tomorrowland in the future.

But as for a wholesale TL remodel? I think COVID-19 just kicked that can into the 2030s. The current philosophy is "Everything that can be delayed or cancelled will be delayed or cancelled."

In the extreme short term, yes things will be delayed. But Disney is gonna need new attractions to drive tourism to their parks in the next couple years.

I bet we see some work done in Tomorrowland around 2025.

 

[mickEblu]

The current philosophy is "Everything that can be delayed or cancelled will be delayed or cancelled."

True although 2030 is a long time away. A lot can happen between then and now.

 

[mickEblu]

In the extreme short term, yes things will be delayed. But Disney is gonna need new attractions to drive tourism to their parks in the next couple years.

I bet we see some work done in Tomorrowland around 2025.

I could see work starting in 2025. I just wonder what IP or property is hot enough to get Disney to pull the trigger on a new TL? Of course us fans have our dreams/ ideas of a new Tomorrowland on the move with new and original attractions. I’m having hard time seeing what will motivate them to redo an entire land full of popular attractions. Especially in the aftermath of Corona and the disappointing turnout for GE. Maybe they learn a lesson from GE in what DL fans really want? Or maybe they think the lesson is more overlays, popcorn buckets and limited time holiday food/ merch? I don’t know. Maybe it’s not a whole new land but some or all of the following: fixing the entrance, moving or axing the Astro Orbitor, overlaying Nemo, sprucing up Buzz and giving us one new attraction. I guess it don’t have to be all or nothing.

 

[captveg]

In the extreme short term, yes things will be delayed. But Disney is gonna need new attractions to drive tourism to their parks in the next couple years.

I bet we see some work done in Tomorrowland around 2025.

Maybe. They still gotta finish MMRR and Avengers Campus Phase 2 (Avengers E-ticket). There's also the Eastern Gateway / Hollywood Backlot revision, as well as Fantasyland revision, and adding more to Galaxy's Edge.

My guess is that after MMRR and Avengers E-ticket are completed they'll go in this order:

1. Eastern Gateway / Hollywood Backlot. They'll want to tackle this first as it deals with the infrastructure of how people get to the parks, as well as solving the foot traffic issues on Harbor. That intersection needs to become much safer for pedestrians, and the best way to do it is to eliminate all the intersecting outright.

2. Fantasyland / Tomorrowland. I'm not sure which one they'll tackle first, but it's unlikely they'll be able to do it all at once. It may even need to be in three phases: 1. Fantasyland Theater 2. Motorboat Cruise/Autopia/Submarines area 3. Tomorrowland outside of Submarines/Autopia.

One caveat about the two projects above is that they both require some rerouting of the monorail, though Eastern Gateway is far less work. It's possible they include some phase of the Fantasyland/Tomorrowland overhaul in tandem with Eastern Gateway as far as the Monorail rerouting and Autopia area Peoplemover track removal is concerned.

3. Galaxy's Edge expansion. This would also likely be in phases, with the dine-in restaurant expansion coming in first, possibly as its own smaller project. Also, as this is all removal of further backstage to perhaps add one more ride, it's out of the way of the actual guest area. so budget aside they can kinda do it whenever they desire. But it makes sense to do a 3rd ride after both Fantasyland and Tomorrowland are finished if only to keep guest satisfaction higher for the park overall before starting on another backstage removal for guest area ride expansion.

We'll see what the timelines end up being for these over the next decade.

 

[Disney Irish]

True although 2030 is a long time away. A lot can happen between then and now.

Although when you think about it, 2030 is only 9.5 years away. Really not all that long in the scheme of things.

 

[britain]

The more 'modest' additions they put into TL, the less likely TL will get a complete overhaul. If there was ever going to be a 'bulldoze it all and rebuild it all-new" TL (like they did in '65) it would have been after Galaxy's Edge opened as an unqualified smash hit, and the economy continued to thrive.

The window for bulldozing it all has passed. Mild new additions will continue to tide TL over for 10+ years. We won't see that window open again until the 2030's. Meaning 2035 or so!

 

[mickEblu]

The more 'modest' additions they put into TL, the less likely TL will get a complete overhaul. If there was ever going to be a 'bulldoze it all and rebuild it all-new" TL (like they did in '65) it would have been after Galaxy's Edge opened as an unqualified smash hit, and the economy continued to thrive.

The window for bulldozing it all has passed. Mild new additions will continue to tide TL over for 10+ years. We won't see that window open again until the 2030's. Meaning 2035 or so!

TL is cursed! Oh well, as long as the 70% of the park I do love is still there I’m good.

 

[SuddenStorm]

The more 'modest' additions they put into TL, the less likely TL will get a complete overhaul. If there was ever going to be a 'bulldoze it all and rebuild it all-new" TL (like they did in '65) it would have been after Galaxy's Edge opened as an unqualified smash hit, and the economy continued to thrive.

The window for bulldozing it all has passed. Mild new additions will continue to tide TL over for 10+ years. We won't see that window open again until the 2030's. Meaning 2035 or so!

I'd honestly bet that bulldozing Tomorrowland hasn't been a consideration since the Star Wars Overhaul rumored back in '13-14 was scrapped for GE.

I've always assumed a Tomorrowland redo would be mostly aesthetic changes made to the existing infrastructure, with something happening in the Carousel theater. I know ole' Shelly Vaillalalalalalaadolied over at Micechat has been throwing out rumors of a major Space Mountain rebuild but I don't see Disney investing that kind of money into their most popular attraction in the park that's really only 15 years old.