JD80
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Thank god.
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ChrisFL
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Disagree, Wall-E is extremely dystopian
Centauri Space Station
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Tomorrowland is still one of my favorite lands, especially at night. Peoplemover, AO, tron, COP, even the speedway add lots of kinetic energy. It’s still an enjoyable epxperinece but most things definitely need refurbs. Especially Buzz and Speedway. PM and COP could use a light update and something for Stitch. I don’t think MILF is a big problem it’s still a cute show.
MerlinTheGoat
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Sounds like a perfect fit for accurately showing what our future holds. Ultra wealthy business class abandoning a toxic trashed junkheap of a planet (that they caused) to colonize space. The human race so morbidly obese that no one can walk anymore and requiring scooters to get around. Eyes constantly glued to video screens and social media 24/7, completely unaware of where they are or what their literal surroundings look like. Automation taking over everything.
That said, Wall E has a very uplifting ending with a strong techno-environmentalist message. Especially the credits. I wouldn't trust Disney to be smart enough to meaningfully tie this message into the philosophies of Tomorrowland or Future World (more likely they'd just make some sort of vapid cartoony ride with no real meaning behind it if they used the character). But within the inescapable reality of IP invasion (something that we'll unfortunately never see a reversal of), there's far more potential and suitability in the Wall E IP than the likes of Buzz Lightyear, Tron, Nemo or GOTG...
^That image of the Axiom almost looks like a piece of classic EPCOT concept art. Though I get the feeling that Disney has largely moved past Wall E at this point, save for minor appearances and maybe some merch.
We all know Disney can make those surveys say what they want
MaximumEd
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I’m no fan of current management, but why would they need to manipulate a survey to do something or not do something? They run the company. I guess you could build a case that people lower down the ladder might do it to convince someone higher up to fund their pet project, but I still think it’s a stretch.
Pizza plants!!
Lies detected here = 0. Especially your second paragraph. And that Axiom painting does indeed look like it could have come from 1982 EPCOT Center.
Just like a baseless conspiracy theory can be pulled out of thin air to support whatever grievance one has festering in their soul.
Shh shh shh... the illogic of spending millions on polling and data analyses which no one in the public ever sees in order to somehow convince the public of something will only cause even more wild conspiracies to spawn.
Animaniac93-98
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Wall-E's depiction of fat people riding scooters and stuffing their faces is likely seen as problematic internally, for several reasons.
Easier to keep the focus on the toyetic cute robots and away from the movie's messaging.
ppete1975
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nemo and little mermaid have a high throughput rarely stop unlike spaceship earth and hm, I think if you looked at guests per hour they would not be at the bottom.
Imagination, they dont want to kill the cash cow that is figment, although there have been rumors for years of inside out or something else.
I think they know that they need a new figment attraction, but its so low on the priority list they might as well pimp him out as much as possible
Bocabear
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but WHY is it so low on the priority list? FIGMENT was literally the IP designed for EPCOT. It was an EPCOT Original and really was incredibly popular... All they need to do is redo the attraction and pavilion and then sit back and collect money for the merch it will sell... It could also launch a film or television series.... But they just mothballed the whole thing and trot him out every so often to sell popcorn buckets....
Someone has put forth the rumor recently that a certain WDW president doesn't like the pavilion and thus has made a point to not invest in it. Not that this has anything to do with Tomorrowland.
I really believe the 1994 TL theme should have been kept and updated. "The future that never was" has so many places it could go without breaking the theming. But I guess that would have required creativity and originality, plus it didn't serve the movie IP mandate.
HauntedMansionFLA
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World ShowPlace would be ideal for this project.
Bocabear
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Just the thought of having an Imagineering Pavilion would be really cool...They could have an Imagineering Test Labs attraction, A Black Box ride, new experimental ideas showcase...It could be a lot of fun....Could even be the best Pavilion in EPCOT if done well. but that is a big "if"...
Communicora
Premium Member
I stumbled upon this video last night and man, do I just wish they'd do a visual reset back to the look of Tomorrowland in the 70s.
Drdcm
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I’ve wondered what Disney uses to determine a positive response when they do surveys. The psychology of ratings is really quite fascinating and depends on the method of survey and even the environment for the correct interpretation and validation. You can manipulate those things to get the desired results. For example… is a positive response 6/10 or is it 8/10? It matters because it’s not binary and what you choose as the cutoff is how you spin the results.
For example if people rate their satisfaction with genie+, 6/10 theoretically means you’re 60% satisfied with the change. I would suggest that’s bad, but someone could make a case that it’s good because they’re more satisfied than not.
At least for my job, we need to get 8+ to be considered average in our hospital evals. People below that generally have some serious performance issues.
Interestingly, I did a small study during my training that involved manipulating surveys to push people toward extreme viewpoints through criticism and it was sort of scary how effective it is.
For example if people rate their satisfaction with genie+, 6/10 theoretically means you’re 60% satisfied with the change. I would suggest that’s bad, but someone could make a case that it’s good because they’re more satisfied than not.
At least for my job, we need to get 8+ to be considered average in our hospital evals. People below that generally have some serious performance issues.
Interestingly, I did a small study during my training that involved manipulating surveys to push people toward extreme viewpoints through criticism and it was sort of scary how effective it is.
Animaniac93-98
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That's kind of what they started, but never really committed to, and now the land is just a mess.
Animaniac93-98
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Coaster Studios recently said MK has the best Tomorrowland, and I almost objected until I realized...it kind of is by default.
The other Tomorrowlands are either so bad, or underdeveloped, that by comparison MK's looks good. Even Discoveryland has declined thanks to decisions like Hyperspace Mountain and removing the Nautilus squid.
MK's Tomorrowland in 1995 is the best version to me. Alien Encounter, Timekeeper, Dreamflight, Carousel of Progress, PeopleMover, Skyway, Space Mountain and Astro Orbiter all in the same land? And up to date (for the time) and in good condition? Hard to beat such a line up.
The other Tomorrowlands are either so bad, or underdeveloped, that by comparison MK's looks good. Even Discoveryland has declined thanks to decisions like Hyperspace Mountain and removing the Nautilus squid.
MK's Tomorrowland in 1995 is the best version to me. Alien Encounter, Timekeeper, Dreamflight, Carousel of Progress, PeopleMover, Skyway, Space Mountain and Astro Orbiter all in the same land? And up to date (for the time) and in good condition? Hard to beat such a line up.
Bocabear
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It is amazing in that video, how much bigger the Hub looked with all the trees...the castle looked MUCH bigger with the buffer of trees...and of course, in it's pristine original white color... So beautiful... Tomorrowland with it's tall spires and Gull-wing waterfalls... It really was spectacular... But now we have silver rocks.... sad trombone....