Tomorrowland is themed worse than most themed lands you will find at a Six Flags park

[Jasonflz]

Now THAT would be an overlay of AE I would pay to see.

"If magic can't be done with X-S, then I shouldn't be done at all." :lookaroun

:lol::lol::lol::sohappy::sohappy::sohappy:

Ten times better than

"I think I just ooooiled myself."

 

[CastleBound]

Now THAT would be an overlay of AE I would pay to see.

"If magic can't be done with X-S, then I shouldn't be done at all." :lookaroun

Yea at SF there was a Houdini ride that had some great theming as in the building and inside. Along the lines of the movie room in Tot, and then you basically sat in a chair that gave the illusion of going upside down. ride was kinda boring, but the effort that went into it was great. That effort has been lost a long time ago.

 

[imagineer boy]

This thread is confusing.:shrug::brick:

Here is my 2 cents,


New Tomorrowland is one of the best themed lands in the Magic Kingdom. The neon lights coupled with with the unique architecture and designs make it worthwile just to walk through. That and the atmosphere with the music playing and the TTA whizzing by. The only problem for Tomorrowland are the current selection of attractions.

Stitch's Great Escape:
While I agree that this ride gets way too much flack that it does not wholly deserve this is Imagineering at it's worst. The script and concept are so cheesy and weak that it doesn't hold up what could have been a potentially good ride. The special effects are all well done (if they are working) and the sound system is impressive. One major problem is the fact that the ride can't make up it's mind of whether to be futuristic or not. Bits of the storyline come in the way of that and other elements just pull this ride down.

Monsters Inc. Laugh Floor Comedy Club:
I will start off by saying that I really hate this attraction. The humour (mostly) never got a single laugh out of me or my family and this concept is pure garbage. The difference between this and Turtle Talk is that TT refuses to tke up space and is not the main attraction in it's respective location, just an addition. MILFCC literally takes up all available space that is far from necessary and is not the least bit futuristic aside from some technology featured in the show. This show aims for an audience that is considerably small and is not something everybody is going to want to do when they visit Disney World. The idea of sitting down for 20 minutes just to listen to corny jokes doesn't help either for several people. Real disappointing when no one in the theater laughs.

Tomorrowland Transit Authority:
This gem is basically the best ride that fits into the land's theme. It has everything it needs to be a true New Tomorrowland attraction although it could use some updating.

Astro Orbiter:
Same as TTA.

Buzz Lightyear's Space Ranger Spin:
Truthfully BLSRS fits far better into New Tomorrowland than MILFCC or SGE. It is a fun ride and deserves to be in place. The previous rides barely fit into Tomorrowland at all.

Carousel Of Progress:
While CoP fits into the land it seriously is outdated. The show still references laser disks and flat screen tv's as if they are still going to happen. This being said, a small update would sufficiently bring this classic out of the dust bin and into the future.

Space Mountain:
Depends on how the refurb goes.

Tomorrowland Indy Speedway:
This one need serious updating. There is no identifiable theming to bring this to New Tomorrowland standards. Hopefully it doesn't get a Cars overlay which is needed for the Hollywood Studios right now.


Honestly, the land is currently in bad shape (internally). Only 30% of the attractions are really fitting into the theme and most of them are bad anyway. The land still looks far better than most.

Perfect asessement. Its really the most visually impressive tomorrowland out of all the Disney magic kingdom parks, but attraction-wise its a mess.

 

[fmingo36]

Comparing disney to sixflags is like comparing 7/11 to whole foods.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA:lol:

 

[Jasonflz]

Perfect asessement. Its really the most visually impressive tomorrowland out of all the Disney magic kingdom parks, but attraction-wise its a mess.

Thanks. I didn't include SSC because that is basically closed now.

 

[DisneyLeo18]

I think i remember some one on another thread stating the theme for tomorrowland is that it is a spaceport. If that is true it could make sense since that would be something "in the future" and most of the rides make sense.

SGE - transporting criminal aliens
MILF - monsters (maybe from another planet?) using our laughter for energy
Buzz - obvious
SM - obvious
CoP - doesn't really fit but is a classic so cannot be removed.
AO - obvious
Tomorrowland Speedway - ok this one needs an update or something

Although i loved Timekeeper and AE and think they fit the theme better i guess one could argue SGE and MILF fit the "spaceport" theme

 

[Jasonflz]

I think i remember some one on another thread stating the theme for tomorrowland is that it is a spaceport. If that is true it could make sense since that would be something "in the future" and most of the rides make sense.

SGE - transporting criminal aliens
MILF - monsters (maybe from another planet?) using our laughter for energy
Buzz - obvious
SM - obvious
CoP - doesn't really fit but is a classic so cannot be removed.
AO - obvious
Tomorrowland Speedway - ok this one needs an update or something

Although i loved Timekeeper and AE and think they fit the theme better i guess one could argue SGE and MILF fit the "spaceport" theme

The thing about SGE is that it takes place before Lilo and Stitch which is set in the present, supposedly. MILF works a little better since there is no real timeline although there is nothing futuristic about it. The older rides worked better.

Timekeeper= A robot scientist who invents a time machine and sends a robot probe from the present to the past to future.
Alien Encounter= Alien company tries to promote teleportation to us Earthlings. Is set in the future.
Delta Dreamflight= Deals with some future themes but is not very futuristic.

 

[Dragonrider1227]

Wow. Have you read anything I have written?

Being from another planet does not mean that you are from the future. Transporting criminal aliens is not necessarily futuristic. Nothing is obvious about Buzz fitting into Tomorrowland. Wow. I hate you.

No, but being from the future is. Which Buzz Lightyear clearly is. If you've got an intergalactic spaceship, space wings, and a laser gun in your wrist, I'd like to see them
and though Stitch isn't from the future, is world IS very futuristic. The fact that Stitch himself is an artificial creature says something right there.

I think my favorite part of this thread is folks ignoring the list of past attractions that didn't fit the theme.

Yep. Classic case of "This proves me wrong so I'm going to ignore this." What's also funny is that everyone is ignoring this post as well XD

I've basically stopped reading the replies to this thread, but I understand the gist of what everyone is saying.

Fun2BeFree is attempting to justify every move Disney makes, and people are going with that.

And as you people continue to accept mediocrity, someone from Disney is scanning this thread with a smile as he continues plans on the latest movie tie-in attraction headed for Tomorrowland.

Great job, everyone. Most of you are the reason why things will never be like they were once were at Walt Disney World.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Yes! If we disagree with you, then the only thing we could possibly want is mediocrity! With every passing day our villainous dream is more realized!:drevil:

 

[EvilChameleon09]

I am an amusement park fan first, theme park fan second, and even I feel that you are so wrong about your comparision to Six Flags. Six Flags and other amusement park chains specialty isn't the theming, it's the rides and coasters that they are good at. Theme park chains like Universal are good at the theming, and not so good at the rides and coasters.
Disney is a rare case. They are great at both.

Let's end this silly thread here, shall we?

-CMM

 

[LoriMistress]

They should consider changing the name of Tomorrowland to "Irrelevantland", as the current state of it is embarrassing. How hard is it for the Imagineers to get things right?

Toy Story is a movie that takes place in the present. This movie in no way, whatsoever, takes place in the future. Just because you give something a space theme does not make it an accurate representation a future that never was.

Monsters Inc. takes place in present day Metropolis. In the movie, monsters coincide with humans in the present, although in a different world. This attraction does not belong in Tomorrowland, and it blows my mind that anyone would think differently.

Lilo & Stitch is a movie that takes place in present day Hawaii. Yes, there are aliens, but they are not from the future. (I don't even think this attraction makes an attempt to relate to the future, whereas at least in MILFCC, there is the line: "The future of energy is a joke." This attraction is not only terrible, but it is terribly out of place. Alien Encounter may not have been the best choice for the Magic Kingdom, but it captured the essence and feeling of Tomorrowland in a way that SGE never will. An Alien Race testing futuristic transportation technology on humans. Very cool.

Remember when the High School Musical show first opened? It opened in Tomorrowland. How was this allowed? The moment anyone on the imagineering team mentioned that this show should debut in Tomorrowland, they should have been fired on the spot.

I remember as kid that I loved the look and feeling of Tomorrowland. AE and Timekeeper were two stand out attractions. Oh well, at least I can go to Futureworld and learn how GM tests cars, or take a hang gliding trip over present day California. :brick:

Agreed. It's so weird...Tomorrowland reminds me of DCA...it's just thrown together.

 

[Pseybert]

Obviously SGE was an abysmal failure of an attraction, but Stitch was/is very popular and the attraction's reputation certainly precedes it now that it's been open five years. Nonetheless, it still fits Tomorrowland in terms of its cartoony science-fantasy theme -- if it wasn't such a poor overlay of AE, perhaps the attraction would be better received.

Congratulations on still missing the point. Of course, you would be correct in your assumption that SGE fits Tomorrowland, if in fact Tomorrowland was titled "Cartoony-Science-Fantasyland."

All the best,
Patrick

 

[Pseybert]

Wow. I think you people are way too hard on SGE and MILF. My kids loved MILF, and I bet I could walk into the living room right now and say "Hello, Humans!" and they would throw their arms into the air and say "AAAAHHHHH!"

As someone else said, if SGE had just come out of nowhere (instead of replacing AE), it would probably be better received. Personally, I think AE was really cool, but I enjoy that I can take my kids on SGE (and probably would NOT on AE).

In any case, I think it's nitpicking to say that it's not futuristic because the movie it comes from is not set in the future. In my (admittedly simple) mind, a space or sufficiently-advanced-technology theme is sufficient to make it feel futuristic and fit into tomorrowland. I don't care that Monster's, Inc. takes place along side present-day human world (though, since we have not yet met Monsters who come out of our closets, one could argue that it is at least 1 day in the future. Same with Stitch. And Buzz. Heck, is Space Mountain really that futuristic? We currently have rockets that blast into space... To me, it all has a futuristic theme simply because it's a spacey, advanced technology theme.

Let me tell you--you try walking around Six Flags Over Texas, and you'll quickly come to appreciate the Disney theming--right down to the bathrooms. That being said, I can still enjoy myself at SF. The theming just isn't on the same level as Disney. While I don't EXPECT it to be, I DO think that SF management probably lost sight of the benefits of good theming and the impact it has on overall guest experience...

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Hi, first of all, thank you very much for your input! I am happy to hear that you and your children are having fun at WDW, because in the end, that is what it is all about. People having fun. I am also happy that you have admitted to having an "admittedly simple" mind, because that saves me half of my argument.

Unfortunately, the entire point of this thread (which you have obviously missed) is that "a space or sufficiently-advanced-technology theme" is not sufficient to make these attractions fit into Tomorrowland. I suspect that guests like you are the reason why the imagineers are OK with "re-imagining" good attractions, such as Spaceship Earth, into a heaping pile of nonsense that does not fit the theme at all. The probably see nothing wrong with it, because people have fun pressing the buttons on the pretty light up screen.

All the best,
Patrick

 

[Pseybert]

All of this complaining (not just this thread) about how misplaced certain attractions are, and how dare they name something tomorrowland, etc.

you know what...just don't go. If the name of a themed land in a park is THAT much of a problem, then just don't go.

I can't believe how much of a big deal people make about "How stupid it is to have the Indy Car Speedway in tomorrowland." Why in the world does it matter?

If they changed the future world name in epcot to something different, would it make the SLIGHTEST bit of difference when you are on one of the rides?

Maybe you are the one that should stop going. Apparently, you, and many others are missing the point of Walt's original dream.

All the best,
Patrick

 

[Pseybert]

I think my favorite part of this thread is folks ignoring the list of past attractions that didn't fit the theme.

I am not ignoring that, I just haven't brought it up. I am in no way defending Tomorrowland's past, but I do feel that the current state of the land is enough to speak up about.

All the best,
Patrick

 

[Pseybert]

I am an amusement park fan first, theme park fan second, and even I feel that you are so wrong about your comparision to Six Flags. Six Flags and other amusement park chains specialty isn't the theming, it's the rides and coasters that they are good at. Theme park chains like Universal are good at the theming, and not so good at the rides and coasters.
Disney is a rare case. They are great at both.

Let's end this silly thread here, shall we?

-CMM

If you had read my thread or any of the replies you would have realized by now that the comparison to Six Flags was more of a way to get people to enter the thread, and read the real message I was trying to drive home.

All the best,
Patrick

 

[The Mom]

This is the second time that I am asking that people stay on topic, and stop sniping at each other. I think it is an interesting and valid topic, but the insults being thrown around (I have deleted the posts) are not.

 

[musketeer]

As for the don't go comment, I think it's hilarious. I love the minute someone complains they get told not to go, because obviously only people who think Disney can do no wrong deserve to go to the park.:lol:

Not at all what I'm saying. No one deserves to go any more than anyone else. The only reason I suggest not going is because it clearly gives you so much trouble, why even bother going if it is such a negative experience.

Maybe you could still go, just avoid that themed area. That way you don't have to subject yourself to such a terrible place.

 

[jakeman]

I am not ignoring that, I just haven't brought it up. I am in no way defending Tomorrowland's past, but I do feel that the current state of the land is enough to speak up about.

All the best,
Patrick

However, you can't rale against the land without taking it's history into account.

Tomorrowland has always been a hodge podge of attractions, since day one.

You seem to have issue with the number of attractions that take place in the present. Even after the makeover in 1994 they still had Dreamflight and Timekeeper that both took place in the present.

Maybe you are the one that should stop going. Apparently, you, and many others are missing the point of Walt's original dream.

Please explain this to me, as it seems based on the past history of attractions in Tomorrowland at Disneyland, Walt may not have understood his dream either.

 

[PurpleDragon]

Speaking of poor themeing, what the heck does The Haunted Mansion have to do with Liberty? Its in Liberty Square yet it has no relevance to that area. Whats up with that!?!?? :lookaroun :lookaroun :brick:

 

[Wilt Dasney]

Speaking of poor themeing, what the heck does The Haunted Mansion have to do with Liberty? Its in Liberty Square yet it has no relevance to that area. Whats up with that!?!?? :lookaroun :lookaroun :brick:

They've been liberated from the mortal plane, of course. :king: