Tokyo Disneyland Resort Expansion

[BrianLo]

Yes, most likely including backstage office space. There's also space behind Tomorrowland if they can relocate the parking lot that's there currently.

TDS is harder, there's very little space left there now that the main expansion pad was used for Fantasy Springs. There's a small pad left at Lost River Delta that can be used for something, but probably not anything very big. Also a parking lot next to Midway Mania that could potentially be relocated.

The Resort is nearly tapped out. Any further expansion will likely need to be off-site or involve more landfilling.

I’m not sure if they can move the other central energy plant beside Arabian Coast.

The former Frozen expansion pad isn’t tiny, though certainly not huge. It was going to essentially accommodate all of Frozen. A generous sized E ticket, shops and restaurant space is still achievable there. Moana seems beyond the likely candidate, I half wonder if the attraction that seems quite developed has been passed on to OLC.

I think land filling is somewhat inevitable for TDS long term, though.

 

[maxairmike]

It’s a very convoluted process and yea, if WDW was engaging in the same behaviour, there would be venom and vitriol amongst these parts.

But it’s certainly not a horrendous experience for a hardened Disney goer. A vacation package is absolutely not a requirement. Premiere access (at Disney sea in particular) is though. Best just to think the park tickets are half the price and you’ll spend the other half on premiere access.

The key is of course early arrival. I did 7:30 for an inevitable 8:45 entry. 07:00 would probably be less anxiety provoking. It was very easy to get a standby for Rapunzel, +/- Frozen depending on how busy it was and the premiere access for both are also doable. A second premiere access can be purchase 1H post and Pan seems to have no trouble making that window.

I think the major problem is how there are 4 attractions participating in this scheme at once really just magnifies it all. DisneySea is also just very busy. Would not be surprised to see it overtake TDL.

This is the reason I took the plunge with the vacation package. While we roughly know how to use and jump through all those hoops, I knew that would result in a more stressful visit and I would be more hesitant to take the slower pace I wanted to be able to just enjoy and take in everything, in TDS especially. I am a little sour on how they've seemed to make the multi-day experience more limited/difficult and costly compared to the already restricted nature of it prior to COVID from what I was aware of, but I also recognize that their crowds and visitation patterns are different than over here (never mind the cultural differences). Taking that approach over here would definitely create a PR firestorm.

 

[ThemeParkTraveller]

I’m not sure if they can move the other central energy plant beside Arabian Coast.

I thought the prevailing rumor was that a Mermaid attraction would go there eventually. It seemed to gain traction when they built the second CEP for Fantasy Springs.

 

[Chef idea Mickey`=]

The former Frozen expansion pad isn’t tiny, though certainly not huge. It was going to essentially accommodate all of Frozen. A generous sized E ticket, shops and restaurant space is still achievable there. Moana seems beyond the likely candidate, I half wonder if the attraction that seems quite developed has been passed on to OLC.

Wow I wonder if there's an image showing that Frozen expansion space.

 

[Chef idea Mickey`=]

7)Rude manners of some guests

What kind of rude manners I'm so curious to know. Never been in person to Japan but looking at the park videos everyone even parents and kids seem calm and respectful, but maybe that is just going by not being noisy and knowing how to walk.

The former Frozen expansion pad isn’t tiny, though certainly not huge. It was going to essentially accommodate all of Frozen. A generous sized E ticket, shops and restaurant space is still achievable there. Moana seems beyond the likely candidate, I half wonder if the attraction that seems quite developed has been passed on to OLC.

Wow I wonder if there's an image showing that Frozen expansion space.

 

[Chef idea Mickey`=]

Moana seems beyond the likely candidate

Yes, I can definitely see them knocking Moana out of all the Disney Parks next!

 

[DarkMetroid567]

This is the reason I took the plunge with the vacation package. While we roughly know how to use and jump through all those hoops, I knew that would result in a more stressful visit and I would be more hesitant to take the slower pace I wanted to be able to just enjoy and take in everything, in TDS especially. I am a little sour on how they've seemed to make the multi-day experience more limited/difficult and costly compared to the already restricted nature of it prior to COVID from what I was aware of, but I also recognize that their crowds and visitation patterns are different than over here (never mind the cultural differences). Taking that approach over here would definitely create a PR firestorm.

Honestly, even after having purchased the Fantasy Springs Magic ticket, the experience felt quite messy. At numerous points it felt like I needed to hold the ticket, the wristband, the “proof of stay” slip, and having to show that slip everytime I entered the Hotel was additionally annoying.

I think, in general, the ease/comfort/experience was incredibly subpar for the amount we paid.

 

[ThemeParkTraveller]

Wow I wonder if there's an image showing that Frozen expansion space.

This was the original concept art for that expansion pad before the plans changed to Fantasy Springs.

 

[DarkMetroid567]

This was the original concept art for that expansion pad before the plans changed to Fantasy Springs.View attachment 818472

Kinda wish we had gotten this. One of my bigger gripes with FS is that it distinctly doesn’t really fit with the rest of DisneySea.

 

[Chef idea Mickey`=]

This was the original concept art for that expansion pad before the plans changed to Fantasy Springs.View attachment 818472

Oh cool! I do know that they were interested before as being a new port for DisneySea as a Scandinavian Port.

Was this supposed to be all of Fantasy Spring's? Imagine this as a hotel room view if a hotel were to be included.

This conception brings Frozen 2 vibes on the right side. I'm very curious about what I see on the bottom there as like if a second Arendale Castle in brown form maybe not big but to give a visual of pre Frozen.

 

[Gusey]

Oh cool! I do know that they were interested before as being a new port for DisneySea as a Scandinavian Port.

Was this supposed to be all of Fantasy Spring's? Imagine this as a hotel room view if a hotel were to be included.

This conception brings Frozen 2 vibes on the right side. I'm very curious about what I see on the bottom there as like if a second Arendale Castle in brown form maybe not big but to give a visual of pre Frozen.

It was originally going to be in this expansion plot, not where Fantasy Springs is. The brown building is a Stave Church, something common in Norway and can be found in the Epcot pavilion at Epcot

 

[BrianLo]

It was originally going to be in this expansion plot, not where Fantasy Springs is. The brown building is a Stave Church, something common in Norway and can be found in the Epcot pavilion at Epcot
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And taking the concept art literally it appears the hanger stage cross the bridge was to also be redone for a Frozen stage show.

 

[BrianLo]

This is the reason I took the plunge with the vacation package. While we roughly know how to use and jump through all those hoops, I knew that would result in a more stressful visit and I would be more hesitant to take the slower pace I wanted to be able to just enjoy and take in everything, in TDS especially. I am a little sour on how they've seemed to make the multi-day experience more limited/difficult and costly compared to the already restricted nature of it prior to COVID from what I was aware of, but I also recognize that their crowds and visitation patterns are different than over here (never mind the cultural differences). Taking that approach over here would definitely create a PR firestorm.

I think it ‘improves’ one element of the stay, for a big price tag. Though ones anxiety element is certainly worth it for some. The public entry into Disney sea in general is actually what is somewhat worth the hotels, it kind of sucks and turns into an unending security shuffle.

It doesn’t really fix the rest of DisneySea though and you’ll still need a large compliment of Premiere access.

I actually didn’t find there was any concerns about being rushed though. I feel like the vacation packages almost forces you to rush the other 80% of the park since you are paying to highly for one small slice.

But the big thing I want people to take away is that it’s completely not necessary to experience fantasy springs. It was being pushed by the bloggers like it was. I did all the fantasy springs headliners twice over two days. Mobile ordering is easy day of to access any of the restaraunts and I ultimately had too many fantasy springs entry times to matter. The lines in fantasy springs can and do get long for standby

 

[Architectural Guinea Pig]

But the big thing I want people to take away is that it’s completely not necessary to experience fantasy springs.

Unnecessary?

Not worth the hype?

Maybe I’m misunderstanding what you mean, but this is like the third or fourth best land in the park and is easily worth visiting.

 

[BrianLo]

Unnecessary?View attachment 818558
Not worth the hype?
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Maybe I’m misunderstanding what you mean, but this is like the third or fourth best land in the park and is easily worth visiting.
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Sorry, sorry, sorry - poor syntax. Not necessary to buy the vacation package.

Doing two days is plenty of opportunity to see it fully. Even with the vacation package you’d need two days at DisneySea.

 

[tanc]

It's luck of the draw with VQ or whatever they call it though. the VP is the only way to guarantee you will be able to experience everything.

 

[BasiltheBatLord]

It's luck of the draw with VQ or whatever they call it though. the VP is the only way to guarantee you will be able to experience everything.

It's not really luck though since you can easily get passes for every ride if you just get there early. It's first-come-first-serve, not a lottery.

 

[BrianLo]

It's luck of the draw with VQ or whatever they call it though. the VP is the only way to guarantee you will be able to experience everything.

Agree with @BasiltheBatLord, it's not a luck of the draw, at all. You can get your first "VQ" exactly when you scan your ticket. It's first come, first serve.

There are three ways you can do everything:

1) Arriving early. Which I pulled off arriving 90 minutes before opening hours, or 75 min before they actually started to let guests in. 120 minutes would be quite safe.
2) Spending a large sum of money on a Disney hotel to get 15min happy entry.
3) Spending an even larger sum of money on the vacation package.

Depends on what you value more. Plus the vacation package still doesn't really help with the rest of Disney Sea. Happy entry does, much more so. I think someone would be incredibly hard pressed to "do Disney Sea" in one day anymore. Even with the vacation package. The standard lines are just too long. A second day at Disney Sea just further solidifies the Fantasy Springs opportunities.

 

[Supersnow84]

Does anyone feel like fantasy springs is way too big and has way too much dead space for what it actually has

I noticed it as soon as I walked into the land that all 4 rides and the 3 restaurants are pushed right to the edges of the land and then there is a large amount of land in the middle that I feel doesn’t get adequately filled. I also feel like they struggled to make the land feel alive, like I’d 100% say that arendelle at HK feels better designed and more alive than arendelle at Japan as it has basically no accessible areas. I also didn’t quite understand why the only gift shop is shoved in the corner near the hotel

The land kinda feels a bit disconnected from sea, I don’t get the same vibe from it as I get from the rest of sea.

The frozen ride was incredible I will say

 

[tanc]

https://www.tokyodisneyresort.jp/special/en/fantasysprings/ticket/

TDR is not selling 1 day FS Magic vacation packages for any admission dates beyond March 31st 2025.