Tokyo Disneyland Resort Expansion

britain

britain

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yensidtlaw1969 said:
That's what's so weird - is this new design really significantly more futuristic than the original Space Mountain dome? So much so that it's worth the millions they're gonna spend to get it there? I would argue that Space Mountain has FAR more problems on the inside than it does on the outside . . . like, to the degree where the inside is practically a liability after how cool and (I would have thought) timeless the original exterior is. Tokyo's Tomorrowland feels more like a throwback than any of the others, but the look of Space Mountain seems hardly the problem.

It seems silly to ask if Tokyo's Space Mountain sustained any damage in the 2011 earthquake, but . . . did it? They nearly moved Small World a few years ago due to problems the building had even years after. If Space has been in constant need of bandaids I can see why they might decide it's time to just swing big and start fresh. But short of that it's hard to fathom why they'd make SUCH a big project out of an already-headlining attraction.

I know OLC takes more pride in their parks than management does stateside, but this seems too big to simply ascribe to that, doesn't it?
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Possibly. You never know what the local audience perceives. We might see the classic Space Mt shape as timeless, but the Japanese audience might "see" a late 70's Mt. Fuji.
 
co10064

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nicb88 said:
The new structure gives me vibes of Space Mountain, mixed with the building for The Seas, mixed with Tron, with a Pandora-esque plaza.
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Yes! I thought the same thing. I also see some elements of DCA's Avenger's campus (particularly the ancient sanctum) in there with the lighting package.
 
britain

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Interesting when looking at the old design - it comes off as austere, cold, dangerous. Which is fine when you're trying to emphasize "Space Travel is a dangerous adventure!"

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And then to look at the new design and read their new story/theme: "Earth as precious part of harmony in the universe." It's still a thrill ride, but interestingly, they seem to be making this TDR's Pandora/Epcot moment. It looks like it's made of galactic flower petals.
 
MisterPenguin

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Rather than looking back to the 50's and 60's for retro-futurism, were now looking back at the 90s and 2000s for organic-futurism.

Think Farscape.

It'd be nice to have a Space Mountain with a more contemporary coaster and better SFX in the dark.





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Animaniac93-98

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yensidtlaw1969 said:
What they're doing to Tokyo's Space Mountain does make me wonder if they might try doing this to WDW's Space Mountain to make it fit more next to its new TRON neighbor. I would be surprised . . . but then, I already am surprised they're doing this in Tokyo.
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I too am thinking this may be a ploy by WDI to split the cost with Tokyo for a rebuild of WDW's SM, BUT the two are quite different (TDL's is a copy of DLR, and much smaller), and I'm not sure Disney proper has the nerve to do something this big for WDW...but then they are redoing Splash Mountain, so who knows...

BasiltheBatLord said:
There's also vague mention of using "renewals of existing attractions" to drive attendance.
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Sounds similar to what DLP did. Overhaul one E-ticket at a time and put in new effects, though Tokyo kind of started that already with rides like Jungle Cruise and Small World. Could be related to the upcoming lengthily closure of Pirates.

Tokyo's Space is the worst IMO. A boring copy of DLR, but now rough and worn. I support a total gut and rebuild, but I'm not sold on the new look and I'm concerned about the rest of Tomorrowland. Don't get rid of the spires at the entrance!

I think this is all part of a broader effort to "update" TDL and have it not look so much like 1970s MK, which WDI has been biased against for some time. However, for myself and others that's the whole appeal of Tokyo Disneyland and I really don't trust this generation of Imagineers to do any substantial overhaul right. Eddie Sotto's New Tomorrowland had greater potential IMO.

I fear the worst for some of my personal favorites like Snow White and Haunted Mansion. WED got them right the first time.
 
BasiltheBatLord

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yensidtlaw1969 said:
I can't help but wonder if this is going to be less like new facing on the building and more like complete demo of the existing structure.
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I believe that's what "complete rebuild" is referring to.

Animaniac93-98 said:
Sounds similar to what DLP did. Overhaul one E-ticket at a time and put in new effects,
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Could be as simple as the limited time gimmicks they've started experimenting with this year like Splash with more water etc. But also could be something else. "Renewal" in Japanese usually means "renovation".
 
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Soleurs

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Animaniac93-98 said:
I too am thinking this may be a ploy by WDI to split the cost with Tokyo for a rebuild of WDW's SM, BUT the two are quite different (TDL's is a copy of DLR, and much smaller)
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There’s a big part of me that thinks OLC has two big road blocks they themselves installed that makes this not likely.
  1. OLC is no longer in the business of directly cloning attractions. Those days ended after Toontown in 1996, everything new since then (except Stitch Encounter and Toy Story Mania save for the queue) has been something new. Sure, it could’ve been a previously used ride system/layout (Indy, Soaring, Baymax), but things always get their own spin for Japan. This both makes me severely doubt Tron will come to TDL and also leads into point two:
  2. I’m willing to put money on the idea that OLC has started instituting exclusivity clauses into their terms for funding new attractions. Especially with how desperately and obviously Disney wants to use OLC’s capital to save some cash, I think they want to make sure their hard-earned money isn’t then used by Disney to cheaply add things to their parks.
Disclaimer: Speculation based on observation.
 
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Soleurs said:
There’s a big part of me that thinks OLC has two big road blocks they themselves installed that makes this not likely.
  1. OLC is no longer in the business of directly cloning attractions. Those days ended after Toontown in 1996, everything new since then (except Stitch Encounter and Toy Story Mania save for the queue) has been something new. Sure, it could’ve been a previously used ride system/layout (Indy, Soaring, Baymax), but things always get their own spin for Japan. This both makes me severely doubt Tron will come to TDL and also leads into point two:
  2. I’m willing to put money on the idea that OLC has started instituting exclusivity clauses into their terms for funding new attractions. Especially with how desperately and obviously Disney wants to use OLC’s capital to save some cash, I think they want to make sure their hard-earned money isn’t then used by Disney to cheaply add things to their parks.
Disclaimer: Speculation based on observation.
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All Asian parks have exclusivity clauses in their attractions and shows, and have for decades.
 
SweetDuffy101

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etc98 said:
That hotel is so incredibly ugly it’s insane
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TBH the video doesn't really justify on how it looks in person and lets be fair that this hotel is still under construction, If you see it in person its not as bad as it looks but what i Can tell you, Is that this might be the biggest hotels within the resort very comparable to Mira costa and Disneyland Hotel.
 
TTA94

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SweetDuffy101 said:
Theres currently a buzz that a brand new drum train for Dreamlights has been spotted backstage,
No pics yet as of the moment. Maybe a mistaken Float from Spooky boo western railroad float.
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Hopefully it’s for Dreamlights, the current train is still the original correct? I don’t believe it was updated at all like the rest of the parade has been. I had assumed whenever they did decide to update the train it would be included in the next large overhaul of the parade, not just one float.
 
PiratesMansion

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mnelson3 said:
Hopefully it’s for Dreamlights, the current train is still the original correct? I don’t believe it was updated at all like the rest of the parade has been. I had assumed whenever they did decide to update the train it would be included in the next large overhaul of the parade, not just one float.
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Yes, the current Dreamlights train float is the only one still around from the parade's debut in 2001.

All others have been replaced or updated.
 
SweetDuffy101

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Dreamlights has been broken multiples times this year alot of causes where from Train float which ironically 21 years old and recently the Small airship float has gotten some issues as well.

The float got a debut in 2018 and broke last month
and here is the video of tractors pulling the unit.

 

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