toilet papering cinderella's castle?

[speck76]

There is a nativity scene in MGM in front of the city hall building (right by the stunt show construction site).

IMHO, this is inappropriate. I have no problem with purty garlin and lights. However, iconic religous figures in a Disney park just doesn't feel right. Is it really needed? However, I feel the same way about the Candelight Processional...but that's a whole other ball game.

--sorry for the thread drift. Back on topic.

It is decoration.....Disney is not asking or making people change their beliefs, they are decorating in the way that they choose....which is their right. If someone is so upset about seeing such a site, not only do they need to chill out and realize that "not everyone shares their beliefs", but they also, if they so choose, don't have to visit the parks.

 

[imagineer99]

Lets drop the cursing subject, since if you read my last 3 1/2 years of posts here, you will see, I only use them when I feel it makes the point stronger... or I'm too annoyed by the posting to do otherwise.

However, I still feel that complaining about lack of representation is pointless, since A- in american assimilation, most families of the other belief structures have integrated so many traditionally american christmas idolatry into their celebrations.

Don't believe me? 2 Muslim children whose parents are guests in my hotel were writing their letters to Santa Claus last night. Alongside a Hindu child of another employee. I'm sure if you'd have looked hard enough you'd find a jewish kid too doing the same thing.

While at the same time a Southern Baptist child is whipped for doing the same thing, since Santa is a lovely anagram for Satan, and across this lovely land I live in called the bible belt, Disney, Santa, and Harry Potters are the great Satans... far greater than any curse word I could say, far greater than any disgusting violence on TV, far greater than 2 parents doing a horrible job at raising their kids.

Don't really know what your point is Rob...

There is a big difference between the commercial aspect of Christmas and the religious one. I agree with you on one point...there are kids from all different religious and cultural backgrounds that participate in the "Christmas" spirit. Nevertheless, there is a fine line between enjoying christmas lights or believing in santa claus, and believing in the Christian faith. Christmas has become a conglomeration of Holidays. I don't look at the Christmas season as a religious one anymore. I treat it the same way as I would Halloween decorations.

I know Disney is private property and that they can basically do whatever they want. However, as I mentioned earlier, what's the point of the nativity scene? It's not really adding to the "festive" spirit, is it?

Again, I have no problem with a parade with a Christmas moniker attached. I'll only take offense when I see the virgin mary rolling down Main Street.

It seems to me that Disney goes out of its way to accomodate EVERYBODY. They attempt to appeal to various cultures and nationalites (heck, that's what EPCOT is based on). So, why alienate a group of people with such imagery?

I don't expect things to change, nor do I expect everyone to agree with me. Last time I checked, I could complain as much as I wanted on these boards. Does that make me stuck up? Does that put me on a "high horse"? Nope.

Rarely does a day go buy where someone doesn't utter SOME kind of complaint on this site. If that's "," then so be it.

I apologize for drifting this thread further. I suggest we drop the subject before someone gets offended.

 

[speck76]

I know Disney is private property and that they can basically do whatever they want. However, as I mentioned earlier, what's the point of the nativity scene? It's not really adding to the "festive" spirit, is it?

Now, I am not a religious person at all....I was Catholic, until I reached the age of reason, but I don't really have any problem with this, nor do I have any problem with the "Jewish house" that used to be part of the Osborne lights (One house always had a menorrah and what not).

I don't think the religious symbols "help" the atmosphere at all, but how much do they really "hurt".

Besides, I think most non-religious people will ignore the religious aspect, where they very religious people are more likely to whine if it is not included.

 

[imagineer99]

Besides, I think most non-religious people will ignore the religious aspect, where they very religious people are more likely to whine if it is not included.

Good point! I must admit that I failed to see it like this.

Maybe Disney is accomodating everyone--just in an a backwards kind-of-way

 

[mattb]

Come on people! You have to remember that Disney are about as PC as they come. Think about it: they changed something as trivial as who's chasing whom on POTC. You think that if they thought the Nativity scene or any other Christmas religious decorations would be any sort of a problem, they would still do it? I think not.

Regardless of this, you all know Disney is better at putting people into the Christmas spirit than many other places I can think of... *coughuniversalcough* :lookaroun

/Not religiously affiliated in any way, but still gets into the Christmas spirit. And heck, a Nativity scene isn't going to ruin my trip to Disney.

 

[1disneydood]

And God will forgive them, but who wants to be at the back of the line on judgement day? :lookaroun

 

[imagineer99]

And heck, a Nativity scene isn't going to ruin my trip to Disney.

I never insinuated that it would. I just simply asked the question: Is it necessary?
:animwink:

 

[imagineer boy]

So, who wants hot chocolate? Want marshmellows with that?

 

[longfamily]

Exactly the original point. If there was a reason to place a christian relic, why isn't Hanaka or Kwanza, ect. also represented? There are all sorts of families aren't there.

Many of which allow their children to view this site. There is enough trash to hear in the everyday, a Disney based website should not be the place to view it too. In the future it would be nice of you to remember that there is a place for curse words and other places that they do not belong. Thank you

If someone is going to leave negative feedback for someone asking that you refrain from being crass on a site, that person should atleast be brave enough to leave their name.

Pass the popcorn

 

[Wilt Dasney]

I never insinuated that it would. I just simply asked the question: Is it necessary?
:animwink:

Is anything?

 

[Chux]

No kidding, I can't believe the amount of people that whined about this.......it was ONE DAY! (and IMO, it was cool)

See, that's how I feel about it. I live in Maryland, and I don't exactly go to WDW very often. But I'd rather have a picture in front of a "Different" Castle than the Regular one (Which is still fine, and I have a few pics of me and my Girlfriend in front of) It wasn't up that long, and now everything is back to normal. It's the same way with the people who would go bonkers if HMH came to WDW.

 

[TikiBears]

I would like for them to tp the Epcot wand next...

 

[stitchy]

I would like for them to tp the Epcot wand next...

And that out of place hat

 

[TikiBears]

Amen!

 

[DarkMeasures]

Don't believe me? 2 Muslim children whose parents are guests in my hotel were writing their letters to Santa Claus last night. Alongside a Hindu child of another employee. I'm sure if you'd have looked hard enough you'd find a jewish kid too doing the same thing.

Well. I know that some Muslims recognise Jesus as a prophit. Infact, here are the major differences between all the monotheistic religions.

You have to understand that all 3 of the major ones branched out from Abraham who was the single person who came up with the idea of mono-theism. Anyway,

Judiasm- Isaac is Abraham's more important son and that Jesus was not the saviour.
Islam- Ishmael is the more important son of Abraham and that Muhammad is the last prophit.
Christianity- Isaac was the more important son and Jesus was the saviour.

Now, Each of these have more and more splits in houses which offer differences in beliefs. A good example is the Baptist one you made. Another one is some Jews recognise Jesus as a prophit and some refuse to even mention his name.

Now, Lets get to what the holiday season holidays have become. This is also the reason why Santa shouldn't be shunned and if someone shunns christmas, they shouldn't shun Saint Nick day or Boxing day. Basically Santa has absolutly nothing really to do with religion anymore, but it is a very good intention. Hanuka (sorry about spelling), is a very very minor Jewish holiday, the only reason why it has become so upfront is the reason for equality for everybody in the seasons. If Hanukcha were to keep small, lawyers and such would have probably forced christmas to be nearly non-prevalent.

Now, what I really wish would happen is if the monotheistic religions assimilated themselves together. More than that, they should pick up important aspects of Hinduism and Buddhism. If anything, Budhism should be assimilated too.

 

[DarkMeasures]

I never insinuated that it would. I just simply asked the question: Is it necessary?
:animwink:

A question answered in one of the Imagineer books. Almost everything at Disney isn't neccessary but it is done anyway. The reason is because that is what make's Disney Disney. If it weren't done, Disneyland would have gone under the first year of operation.

 

[mkt]

If someone is going to leave negative feedback for someone asking that you refrain from being crass on a site, that person should atleast be brave enough to leave their name.

Pass the popcorn

Wasn't I. Didn't even cross my mind to do such a thing. You may want to ask Steve to check that out.

 

[Pixie Duster]

A trip to Disney is not neccessary.

The Nativity scene was part of the original Osborne family presentation. So to me the reason it is there is to showcase as much of the original displays as possible.

I think the only way guests would be alienated would be if there were a sign by the scene that sad something like "Jesus is the reason for the season". To my knowledge know sign of that nature exists.

And BJ you read my mind.

 

[ClemsonTigger]

Now let me get this straight. Christmas, no matter how commercial, and with all its lights and trees and whatever is based on the Christian celebration of the birth of Christ. As Western culture (for better or worse) is based on Christian ideals, we have holidays on Christmas...in Europe, extended holidays.

Be as secular as you want...that is the REASON for the season! It is not a slight to any other religion as displaying a menorah a slight to Christian religions. Now in our PC world, we cannot even play instrumental Christmas music for fear of "offending" someone.

Well...climbs up on soapbox...too bad! If it offends you, don't participate, don't patronize the parks, ignore the stupid Christians in their religious idiocyncracies, ignore the Muslims in their beliefs, ignore the Jews in their practices or possibly you can gain appreciation for the beauty in each. Christmas is the Nativity, it is the incorporation of various pagan rites including trees, wreaths and mistletoe, it is the addition of a multitude of European secular customs. Only in America do we have this misguided belief that public practice or display of a religion is offensive. Only here do we feel the need to rewrite history and fact to be PC. Heck, this is the country where it is offensive to have to say the Pledge of Allegiance. to display our country's flag....I could go on, but I hope I've made my point.

That to me is what is truly offensive.

 

[Chux]

Only in America do we have this misguided belief that public practice or display of a religion is offensive.

You're right... and in the beginning it was about "Freedom of Religion"