News Tiana's Bayou Adventure - latest details and construction progress

haveyoumetmark

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It's just part of the marketing budget. No different than buying up billboard space or commercial time.
Right... so why is it being treated with cynicism, derided like it's a reflection of the quality or public sentiment of the ride, as if it's some big 'gotcha' moment?

This is standard ubiquitous practice... I would be more surprised if they weren't doing this. It's not trying to "turn the tide of negative opinion," it's literally marketing and drumming up hype for one of their biggest new offerings this summer. They do more for less.
 

Consumer

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Right... so why is it being treated with cynicism, derided like it's a reflection of the quality or public sentiment of the ride, as if it's some big 'gotcha' moment?

This is standard ubiquitous practice... I would be more surprised if they weren't doing this. It's not trying to "turn the tide of negative opinion," it's literally marketing and drumming up hype for one of their biggest new offerings this summer. They do more for less.
It's treated with cynicism because influencers aren't transparent about it. It's not a criticism of Disney but of social media. I think it's important to remember that the internet is full of deceit and dishonesty.
 

celluloid

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In my opinion, some of the best attractions at the parks would look less than impressive on POV videos.
  • Tiki Room
  • Swiss Family Treehouse
  • Space Mountain
  • Flight of Passage
If you can decide that a ride is bad based on a video that doesn’t capture even half of the ride experience, what are you basing your opinion on?
I have to laugh because these were presented and shown from Walt Disney himself in really their entirety before and at their opening on Walt Disney's own show.
It made people want to see it in person.
It never made many go "Gosh I hope this is better in person."
 

haveyoumetmark

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I have to laugh because these were presented and shown from Walt Disney himself in really their entirety before and at their opening on Walt Disney's own show.
It made people want to see it in person.
It never made many go "Gosh I hope this is better in person."
What an unfair and misleading comparison, back when these attractions and television itself were novelties.
 

_caleb

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I have to laugh because these were presented and shown from Walt Disney himself in really their entirety before and at their opening on Walt Disney's own show.
It made people want to see it in person.
It never made many go "Gosh I hope this is better in person."
As @haveyoumetmark mentioned, what was impressive in the early days of television isn’t likely to capture imaginations in the same way today. And I don’t recall on-ride POV videos on Walt’s Disneyland TV show.

Do you honestly think that an on-ride POV video is just as good as actually experiencing an attraction?
 

celluloid

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As @haveyoumetmark mentioned, what was impressive in the early days of television isn’t likely to capture imaginations in the same way today. And I don’t recall on-ride POV videos on Walt’s Disneyland TV show.

Do you honestly think that an on-ride POV video is just as good as actually experiencing an attraction?
No, not viscerally 1 to 1 but it gives a good indicator for those who have been in similar or same physical spaces before and fair to judge most things from. There is always variance, it can even be said at times as pov for some sold it better.

Don't forget, they use digital pov renders and layers over footage to design them for a pretty precise feel when designing.

Jungle Cruise, Tiki Room, Haunted Mansion, POTC, all had most of the the attractions in POV and B Roll combos to give good interpretation of what things were. Both Walt and post Walt.
 
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celluloid

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What an unfair and misleading comparison, back when these attractions and television itself were novelties.
What do you suppose instant streamable YouTube POV trends from companies and 360 videos in VR are for this Gen?
I think your history is a bit off. By the near mid 60s of Tiki and late of Pirates and Haunted Mansion TV in the house was no longer novel and news reels were in theaters with promotions long before that.

Same hype goal.

Like, seeing Hamilton live would always be a better experience for most who care. But it's fair to say the Disney Plus option gives a good idea.

Multi angle pov of a ride can do similarly. As a matter of fact, even better in some cases as although your choice to look around if not recorded in 360 is gone, it can be framed to hide flaws and direct to put your attention where intended.
 
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_caleb

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No, not viscerally 1 to 1 but it gives a good indicator for those who have been in similar or same physical spaces before and fair to judge most things from. There is always variance, it can even be said at times as pov for some sold it better.
You think the TBA POV released by Disney sold TBA well?
Don't forget, they use digital pov renders and layers over footage to design them for a pretty precise feel when designing.
You’re saying that because ride designers use digital POV renders to design rides, that a dark, fixed-view POV video with poor audio is enough to judge whether the pacing, animatronics, soundtrack, all add up to an enjoyable experience in person?
Jungle Cruise, Tiki Room, Haunted Mansion, POTC, all had most of the the attractions in POV and B Roll combos to give good interpretation of what things were. Both Walt and post Walt.
Oh, I’ve seen many of those. They were pretty good commercials for the rides back when they were released. Do you think the TBA POV was a good commercial for TBA?
 

celluloid

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You think the TBA POV released by Disney sold TBA well?

Oh, I’ve seen many of those. They were pretty good commercials for the rides back when they were released. Do you think the TBA POV was a good commercial for TBA?
Modern marketing has used content social media.

I don't think it was polished like a televised bit or a Press release that generations past are typically used to pre opening. It was content. Not a tv spot.

It went for straight forward pov which many companies do now for such experiences. For leads people are not liking the old promos in the marketing world the way they used to. So a pov is more common than ever.

I think the pov accurately shows the product and the way it has been operating, which has not been great, even with the video omitting some of the flaws of the ride and framing.


It's a fair representation of what is there with editing to try and elevate it and hide some of its flaws(minimal and subtle editing)

Asking if it is a good commercial is a different question.
 
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bwr827

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Here's an example I saw recently on Instagram. This woman is not a Disney influencer, she's a beauty influencer, but Disney invited her to come experience the new ride and shill for it. No where on her post does it say this is an ad, but that's exactly what it is - opening date and all. Again, this is very normal corporate-influencer behavior.



It's just part of the marketing budget. No different than buying up billboard space or commercial time.

Um, what? The beauty influencer literally led with a statement thanking Disney for the invite and included the hashtag “hosted”. It’s 100% clear this is an ad/promo exchange between her and the company.
 

Tha Realest

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Anybody know what the suits at Disney think about this whole project now?
Probably worried too much about it’s reliability a week out from official opening to reflect much on how it’s being recieved.

Unless they’re looking at the fact it doesn’t seem to have moved the needle on bookings.
 

Tjaden

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Anybody know what the suits at Disney think about this whole project now?
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monothingie

Nakatomi Plaza Christmas Eve 1988. Never Forget.
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Would you like to source this or just remain vague? Here's hoping for a YouTube video with a clickbait title in all caps next to an isolated image of a random wincing Disney character in the thumbnail.
You don't get a $400 swag bag, special access, food, drinks, and other perks for giving negative reviews.
 

Incomudro

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Legality, schamaglity.

The EU, which also requires influencers disclose ad content, found 80% of influencers don't.

Again, influencers being paid to promote corporations is incredible normal.

Here's an example I saw recently on Instagram. This woman is not a Disney influencer, she's a beauty influencer, but Disney invited her to come experience the new ride and shill for it. No where on her post does it say this is an ad, but that's exactly what it is - opening date and all. Again, this is very normal corporate-influencer behavior.



It's just part of the marketing budget. No different than buying up billboard space or commercial time.

Hey, at least THIS Tiana isn't middle aged!
 

CntrlFlPete

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I do not follow any influencers so I am not sure what all they are saying verse what the general public is saying.

From what I have read in some threads around here, well, to me it seems like it needs to be compared to Splash or something as opposed to just judging it as TBA.

After one ride through, my family is pleased with the makeover.

Looking at it compared to other recent additions, well NRA has a great visual environment and one extremely impressive animatronic wrapped into a short ride.

Here, we have a lot of very impressive animatronics and a wonderful visual environment in a lengthy ride that has a better pay off for the wait verses many shorter ride times around the park.

My family is happy we have been on Splash (and other rides that have left the MK) and yet TBA is an attraction we will enjoy when we visit. I am also happy that I know I will enjoy future rides for there is a lot that I did not take in on one ride through.
 

Consumer

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Um, what? The beauty influencer literally led with a statement thanking Disney for the invite and included the hashtag “hosted”. It’s 100% clear this is an ad/promo exchange between her and the company.
That is not adequate ad disclosure. It needs to be outright stated that this is a paid sponsorship.

 

bwr827

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That is not adequate ad disclosure. It needs to be outright stated that this is a paid sponsorship.

It was plenty for me; I don’t work for the FTC.

(I’m picturing bureaucrats who ask their grandkids how MySpace works.)
 

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