mickEblu
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I mean, he was in the new Once Upon a Studio short. WDI- Just put him in the damn ride and stop overthinking everything.
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I mean, he was in the new Once Upon a Studio short. WDI- Just put him in the damn ride and stop overthinking everything.
Disstevefan1
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I wish I could have hauled that house away! it was so strongly built they had a lot of trouble taking it down!
Well?...I have to suspect that the Doctor appears on the flume lift tunnel. I mean,...this is the "dangerous" part of the atteaction. This guy HAS to be the cause of it with some "Voodoo" he puts on your log.
Im wondering if projection mapping will be used to replace Audio Anamatronics. They are certainly cheaper to build and maintain.
The last river boat attraction that Disney built was the one in Pandora. That one is pretty emersive and spectacular so if that is any indication of what Disney us able to do today?? If Tiana's Bayou Adcenture is only half as good as that one, this should be a huge hit.
EPCOTCenterLover
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Disney magic.
Basil of Baker Street
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I hope you are right.
Fox&Hound
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I really do agree with you 100%, but I heard they wanted to avoid having their first African American princess be a frog the whole ride. But if the ride starts with her at the diner and her with Lottie then they could have remedied the middle by having scenes from the movie and include animatronic Tiana’s throughout narrating. And then at the end she is human again.
But I will never understand not including Facilier, especially when they use him in Halloween shows and other media.
ToTBellHop
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I desperately hope they are just keeping him a secret. He’s dead so he shouldn’t appear much but a few sinister shadows at moments and then his ghost appearing in the old Laughin’ Place would be awesome.
But, I don’t think it’s happening.
Tha Realest
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No. It doesn’t seem to align with the story beats thus far.
Disstevefan1
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Messaging is important. I was speaking of the making money aspect of their movie business.
MerlinTheGoat
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American Adventure is the ONLY World Showcase exhibit that actually addresses any sort of negative impact that the country has had on society. There are several lengthy scenes dedicated to doing so. It doesn't focus heavily on the most extreme levels of violence and suffering involved for obvious reasons (the most morbid you'll get are aftermath photos in the Civil War section), but anyone who would expect or want to see realistic murder and torture of human beings in such an attraction are out of their minds.
IRL, i'm 100% on board with addressing and condemning atrocities our nation commits. But this is a Disney attraction. It's a show with a hopeful message about society that addresses some cautionary topics. If I want a more brutal and gritty depiction of history, i'd try a Ken Burns documentary or read up on some unbiased history. As it stands though, again American Adventure is already infinitely more introspective about the nation's flaws than you'd get from any other country at EPCOT.
IRL, i'm 100% on board with addressing and condemning atrocities our nation commits. But this is a Disney attraction. It's a show with a hopeful message about society that addresses some cautionary topics. If I want a more brutal and gritty depiction of history, i'd try a Ken Burns documentary or read up on some unbiased history. As it stands though, again American Adventure is already infinitely more introspective about the nation's flaws than you'd get from any other country at EPCOT.
I wouldn't even say AA goes particularly hard on a one sided pro capitalist message. There are aspects of pro capitalism, but it almost always presents the opposing viewpoints afterwards and even errs on captalism able to become a very destructive force when not kept in check. Like how industry harms the environment and indigenous groups, or the effects of the Great Depression on poor people, including derisive mockery towards Wall Street and the (former) ultra wealthy individuals who became wealthy at their expense. There's also significant screentime given to MLK Jr in the finale, who was no lover of capitalism to say the least.
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mattpeto
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Maybe they will hint he’s on the other side of Big Thunder Mountain.
Brer Panther
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And then they can do another retheme, "Tiana's Bayou Adventure With Brer Rabbit", where Brer Rabbit torments Louis in retaliation for Tiana's Bayou Adventure! Though maybe he should be going after Iger instead...
Nope. They're turning the lift hill into Mama Odie's house.
I expect @Buried20KLeague's guess as to what the plot of the ride will be to be accurate. The scene where we see Brer Fox pushing Brer Bear's butt into the hole in the tree will be replaced by some character (maybe Louis) suggesting they go ask Mama Odie if she's seen the secret ingredient around. Then you head into the Laughin' Place, which is now a salt mine or whatever (some character will probably say "I know a shortcut to Mama Odie's house! It's through the salt mine!") and then the cave where Brer Fox has trapped Brer Rabbit is replaced by a character going "Mama Odie is just up that hill!" and we head inside her house and encounter Mama Odie at the top where Brer Fox's lair is. Mama Odie has the secret ingredient because [REASONS], and she says, "You'd better get this to Tiana! Down you go!", KER-SPLASH.
Oh, and apparently Naveen will be playing a "humorous role" in the story. Make of that what you will.
That's most certainly the entire reason why they're having the ride take place after the movie. And that reason is likely the only reason Dr. Facilier isn't in the ride.
I suppose they could just have the voodoo spirits show up without Dr. Facilier to mess with the riders for no reason, but if they're not doing that for the lift hill, I doubt they'll be in the ride at all. Maybe they're afraid of making the ride "too scary" for little girls.
Maybe they'll invent a new, less menacing villain for the ride? Or maybe the villains will be those three idiot frog hunters from the movie? Boy, wouldn't THAT be a downgrade from Brer Fox...
No Dr. Facilier???
What the heck? He was the coolest part of the movie. Dang! Oh well....[sigh]..maybe the design team thought his appearance in the ride would scare or "trigger" a small number of people????
Maybe Dr. Facilier is considered a negative stereotype and needed to be canceled in 2023??? I dunno....
I can only guees and wonder what concepts go through the mind of a Tiana's Bayou Adventure attraction Imagineer today....
I guess we will find out in a year or two. (Maybe 3 or 4)
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mickEblu
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It’s interesting because Dr. Facilier hasn’t been outright cancelled like the Song of the South or So Dear to my Heart characters. He’s in the new Once Upon a Studio short. He’s still a walk around character if I’m not mistaken and is a meet n greet character at Oogie Boogie or at least he was last year. May be a little far fetched but perhaps they want to surprise us? Nothing they have said so far would indicate he has a presence in the ride but if they want him to be a surprise that would make sense. Maybe that’s why we haven’t been given a lot of details about the actual ride? I don’t buy the notion that he isn’t in the ride because it takes place after the events of the movie. He’s way too popular of a character to eliminate for that reason and it would be incredibly easy to come up with a reason on why he’s returned from the Other Side. It’s either he’s been deemed problematic and is not in it or he’s in it and they re trying to surprise us.
I also wouldn’t find it too hard to believe that he wasn’t originally planned to be in the ride but they decided to pivot after seeing all the disappointed reactions from the fans. Even the biggest retheme supporters are confused/ disappointed about Facilier not being included
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LittleBuford
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What are you making of it? You seem to implying something.
LittleBuford
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I’m not sure why people are intent on framing Facilier’s absence in ideological terms. The ride takes place after the movie, by which point Facilier has been carried off to the underworld. You wouldn’t expect to see Ursula or Maleficent in rides set after the events of the two movies to which those characters belong. (For my part, I would love for Facilier to make an appearance in spirit form, but I’m not holding my breath.)
mickEblu
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Except Facilier coming back in spirit form would make complete sense and would be as easy as putting on a projector and some music.
This “takes place after the events of the film” phenomenon is relatively new. Frozen Ever After is the only one I believe and nobody cares about Hans. The Majority of fans will be disappointed to not see Facilier.
LittleBuford
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Not necessarily depending on the story they’ve come up with.
mickEblu
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Yes we wouldn’t want an excellent villain , great song and some suspense getting in the way of the missing ingredient/ salt mine/ Mardi Gras party.
LittleBuford
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I am not particularly inspired by what we know of the plot so far either, but I see no point getting preemptively angry about something of which we have so few concrete details. Why not experience the finished product first before forming a judgement?