News Tiana's Bayou Adventure - latest details and construction progress

[Andrew C]

Really not trying to be critical here. Aren’t we supposed to help Tiana find the missing ingredient? Does that count as how we are part of the ride?

Wait, what is the missing ingredient again?

 

[Drdcm]

Wait, what is the missing ingredient again?

There are rumblings that it is “you” but I’m convinced it will be the corpse of Brer Rabbit to be used in rabbit stew

 

[Andrew C]

There are rumblings that it is “you” but I’m convinced it will be the corpse of Brer Rabbit to be used in rabbit stew

Ok...for a moment I thought salt. Then I thought, "not much of a salt mine if we are struggling to find salt."

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Wait, what is the missing ingredient again?

Fun

 

[JD80]

Because Dinoland USA is just a "fun" (supposed) attraction that everybody can experience, love a go home. Many older, legacy Disney atteactions are like that. They are just devoid of positive social activism. :-(

Today's Imagineering are now using attractions to promote positive social elightenment. They take the oppertunity to teach us social morality and they help us FINALLY repair the wrongs in human history. They fix our history...properly.

All early Disney was propaganda and social activism. American prominence in war, in technology, in culture etc. "The American Way" etc.

 

[Dear Prudence]

imagineering of late suffers from a lack of strong "show don't tell" abilities

I thought about this and wanted ro follow up a little bit; it's pretty normal, and perfectly healthy to not fall all over every single thing a multi-kajillion dollar conglomerate spits out-- especially with their underwhelming track record lately. It's okay to not mindlessly say YES to a brand and pledge undying loyalty to it. I think a lot of the complaints are just complaints, but I also think there's something to be said about the front loading of unnecessary details while at the same time not giving straight answers. I just don't understand conflating not pledging blind loyalty to a brand (who has clearly demonstrated they don't care) to being an unpleasable malcontent.

The previews for the animation of the new Disney ️ series is gorgeous and the new show looks super cute. It has great leadership, and the kind of writing team it should have had the first time around. I think that looks really promising, and I hope that I am right about the delays in the details about the attraction being related to the tie ins to the show.

 

[celluloid]

Really not trying to be critical here. Aren’t we supposed to help Tiana find the missing ingredient? Does that count as how we are part of the ride?

It could. That does not have enough detail to match the perils and dynamic of the flume falls yet. It could feature elements that give it congruence, but we have yet to see that.

 

[Drdcm]

It could. That does not have enough detail to match the perils and dynamic of the fluke falls yet. It could feature elements that give it congruence, but we have yet to see that.

Yeah. We’ll have to see how the story goes. It seems like the ride itself will probably be a separate “process” from the food co-op backstory, but who knows

 

[celluloid]

Yeah. We’ll have to see how the story goes. It seems like the ride itself will probably be a separate “process” from the food co-op backstory, but who knows

Likely. What has to happen to fit the typical best guest impact practices mentioned would be one that matches the ride's dynamic in this case since the flume is heavily designed to be that.

 

[_caleb]

I thought about this and wanted ro follow up a little bit; it's pretty normal, and perfectly healthy to not fall all over every single thing a multi-kajillion dollar conglomerate spits out-- especially with their underwhelming track record lately. It's okay to not mindlessly say YES to a brand and pledge undying loyalty to it. I think a lot of the complaints are just complaints, but I also think there's something to be said about the front loading of unnecessary details while at the same time not giving straight answers. I just don't understand conflating not pledging blind loyalty to a brand (who has clearly demonstrated they don't care) to being an unpleasable malcontent.

I think some come across as "unpleasable malcontents" when they express strong negative opinions about things with little reason.

• "TBA has a poor story nobody cares about." We don't yet know the story of the ride. They've hinted about a Mardi Gras party and a missing ingredient. But they've also hinted about Luis' trumpet going missing, and Mama Odie making an appearance.
• "All the promotion is about salt mines and co-ops." They've certainly talked about these things, but they've hardly been the center/main focus. There's valid criticism that this initially feels shoehorned in. But as we see how it plays out, it may very well be background setting info.
• "The backstory stuff is unnecessary!" Of course it is for the Imagineers--just like actors in a play are given (or develop) backstories so they can find their characters' motivations for what they do/say, so too do elements in a themed attraction. It's fine if fans don't like/care about backstory details, but those things are part of the process.
• "With TBA, Disney has an agenda!" Disney has almost always had some message/agenda with their rides and films.
• "They're doing a poor job of marketing this ride!" There is a difference between showing behind the scenes/background work and actually marketing the finished product. We haven't seen the latter because they're still building it. There should also be some acknowledgement that WDI is in a difficult position here given the history of the attraction and social climate.
• "That art looks like it was done by a 3-year old!" It's okay not to like the art! But it's rude and mean and ignorant to belittle the artist.

Seriously, it's totally fine if people don't like how TBA is shaping up. But I'd hope in our discussion that we might all be open to new information as it come available and discussing in good faith based on what Disney is actually doing (rather than what some are afraid they might be doing).

 

[Tha Realest]

I think some come across as "unpleasable malcontents" when they express strong negative opinions about things with little reason.

• "TBA has a poor story nobody cares about." We don't yet know the story of the ride. They've hinted about a Mardi Gras party and a missing ingredient. But they've also hinted about Luis' trumpet going missing, and Mama Odie making an appearance.
• "All the promotion is about salt mines and co-ops." They've certainly talked about these things, but they've hardly been the center/main focus. There's valid criticism that this initially feels shoehorned in. But as we see how it plays out, it may very well be background setting info.
• "The backstory stuff is unnecessary!" Of course it is for the Imagineers--just like actors in a play are given (or develop) backstories so they can find their characters' motivations for what they do/say, so too do elements in a themed attraction. It's fine if fans don't like/care about backstory details, but those things are part of the process.
• "With TBA, Disney has an agenda!" Disney has almost always had some message/agenda with their rides and films.
• "They're doing a poor job of marketing this ride!" There is a difference between showing behind the scenes/background work and actually marketing the finished product. We haven't seen the latter because they're still building it. There should also be some acknowledgement that WDI is in a difficult position here given the history of the attraction and social climate.
• "That art looks like it was done by a 3-year old!" It's okay not to like the art! But it's rude and mean and ignorant to belittle the artist.

Seriously, it's totally fine if people don't like how TBA is shaping up. But I'd hope in our discussion that we might all be open to new information as it come available and discussing in good faith based on what Disney is actually doing (rather than what some are afraid they might be doing).

I appreciate this. I really do. I’d add that there are things that - thus far - appear to be missing from this experience that are head scratchers. First and foremost, Dr. Facilier. “Friends on the Other Side.” Yes, we’re getting a Tiana, but it feels like it’s Tiana 2.0 (or maybe 3.0) as compared to the character we came to know from the film.

And, while comparisons are unfair, they’re using the same track and layout of Splash. Splash was a master class at building the foreboding nature of the drop. It had a growing sense of thrill and anticipation as you moved through it. What we know of the story thus far appears to have none of that conflict or sense of danger.

 

[zipadee999]

I appreciate this. I really do. I’d add that there are things that - thus far - appear to be missing from this experience that are head scratchers. First and foremost, Dr. Facilier. “Friends on the Other Side.” Yes, we’re getting a Tiana, but it feels like it’s Tiana 2.0 (or maybe 3.0) as compared to the character we came to know from the film.

And, while comparisons are unfair, they’re using the same track and layout of Splash. Splash was a master class at building the foreboding nature of the drop. It had a growing sense of thrill and anticipation as you moved through it. What we know of the story thus far appears to have none of that conflict or sense of danger.

Exactly. They’re taking splash, what many considered one of the most intimidating rides in the park, and trying to turn it into a fantasyland kiddie ride. They should be playing into the thrill factor rather than shying away from it.

 

[bmr1591]

Um, what? Almost always?

There are plenty of Disney rides out there, so if they almost always have an agenda, please name ten of them and state their message/agenda.

I'm not OP, but I can give you some.

1. Flight of Passage - Conservation
2. Living with the Land - Conservation
3. Spaceship Earth - Teach people the history of communication and it's importance to our world
4. Remy's Ratatoullie Adventure - Spark interest in French cuisine
5. Three Caballeros - Spark interest in Latino culture
6. Soarin' Across the World - Importance of exploration/Leaving your bubble
7. It's a Small World - Unity amongst people groups
8. Test Track - Spark interest in technology/stem fields
9. The Seas with Nemo and Friends - Conservation
10. Killimanjaro Safaris - Conservation and Wildlife Protection

I'm sure I could list more. A lot of rides aren't simply made for fun, even if they are fun. There's nothing wrong with having an agenda or message tied to a ride, most just get frustrated when said agenda goes against their personal views, to which I'd say then just don't ride the ride. There are plenty of views Disney corporate holds that I don't. If they made a ride promoting those views, I'd just not go on it.

 

[Dear Prudence]

I think some come across as "unpleasable malcontents" when they express strong negative opinions about things with little reason.

• "TBA has a poor story nobody cares about." We don't yet know the story of the ride. They've hinted about a Mardi Gras party and a missing ingredient. But they've also hinted about Luis' trumpet going missing, and Mama Odie making an appearance.
• "All the promotion is about salt mines and co-ops." They've certainly talked about these things, but they've hardly been the center/main focus. There's valid criticism that this initially feels shoehorned in. But as we see how it plays out, it may very well be background setting info.
• "The backstory stuff is unnecessary!" Of course it is for the Imagineers--just like actors in a play are given (or develop) backstories so they can find their characters' motivations for what they do/say, so too do elements in a themed attraction. It's fine if fans don't like/care about backstory details, but those things are part of the process.
• "With TBA, Disney has an agenda!" Disney has almost always had some message/agenda with their rides and films.
• "They're doing a poor job of marketing this ride!" There is a difference between showing behind the scenes/background work and actually marketing the finished product. We haven't seen the latter because they're still building it. There should also be some acknowledgement that WDI is in a difficult position here given the history of the attraction and social climate.
• "That art looks like it was done by a 3-year old!" It's okay not to like the art! But it's rude and mean and ignorant to belittle the artist.

Seriously, it's totally fine if people don't like how TBA is shaping up. But I'd hope in our discussion that we might all be open to new information as it come available and discussing in good faith based on what Disney is actually doing (rather than what some are afraid they might be doing).

Well, good thing for both of us is that the mute option on this platform exists, which is why I've missed most of these.

Although, I'm inclined to agree that the marketing on this hasn't been the best. It's been clumsy at best.

 

[Dranth]

I'm not OP, but I can give you some.

1. Flight of Passage - Conservation
2. Living with the Land - Conservation
3. Spaceship Earth - Teach people the history of communication and it's importance to our world
4. Remy's Ratatoullie Adventure - Spark interest in French cuisine
5. Three Caballeros - Spark interest in Latino culture
6. Soarin' Across the World - Importance of exploration/Leaving your bubble
7. It's a Small World - Unity amongst people groups
8. Test Track - Spark interest in technology/stem fields
9. The Seas with Nemo and Friends - Conservation
10. Killimanjaro Safaris - Conservation and Wildlife Protection

I'm sure I could list more. A lot of rides aren't simply made for fun, even if they are fun. There's nothing wrong with having an agenda or message tied to a ride, most just get frustrated when said agenda goes against their personal views, to which I'd say then just don't ride the ride. There are plenty of views Disney corporate holds that I don't. If they made a ride promoting those views, I'd just not go on it.

What a terrible list! You didn't even include these obvious ones...

1. Space Mountain - Spark interest in Chiropractic pursuits.
2. Hall of Presidents - Importance of heat break naps.
3. Journey of the Little Mermaid – To introduce children to the concept of disappointment.
4. Tomorrowland Speedway - Further the study of chemical fumes on the human body.

Do better!

 

[Dear Prudence]

Um, what? Almost always?

There are plenty of Disney rides out there, so if they almost always have an agenda, please name ten of them and state their message/agenda.

Spoiler

I liked it best when their message/agenda was one simple word: "Fun"

Their agenda/ objective is making money. That's it. That's their big secret scheme. There are not ulterior movies, there is no mystery. It's all fueled by making money.

 

[Dranth]

Their agenda/ objective is making money. That's it. That's their big secret scheme. There are not ulterior movies, there is no mystery. It's all fueled by making money.

The reason they are built is fueled by money but that doesn't stop the artist and Imagineers from building in messages and agendas. Those aren't mutually exclusive and we know this because we have interviews where they tell us exactly what the message of a ride was or what they were trying to accomplish.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Their agenda/ objective is making money. That's it.

I wish this was true for their movie business.

 

[Dear Prudence]

The reason they are built is fueled by money but that doesn't stop the artist and Imagineers from building in messages and agendas. Those aren't mutually exclusive and we know this because we have interviews where they tell us exactly what the message of a ride was or what they were trying to accomplish.

Oh, don't get me wrong! I think the technical staff and the artists are in it for the sake of art, for making people happy, for stretching the limits of the human imagination. But as far as the company itself goes? Not so much.

 

[Basil of Baker Street]

I appreciate this. I really do. I’d add that there are things that - thus far - appear to be missing from this experience that are head scratchers. First and foremost, Dr. Facilier. “Friends on the Other Side.” Yes, we’re getting a Tiana, but it feels like it’s Tiana 2.0 (or maybe 3.0) as compared to the character we came to know from the film.

And, while comparisons are unfair, they’re using the same track and layout of Splash. Splash was a master class at building the foreboding nature of the drop. It had a growing sense of thrill and anticipation as you moved through it. What we know of the story thus far appears to have none of that conflict or sense of danger.

Dr Facilier is such a great villain. A travesty if he has no part in the ride.