News Tiana's Bayou Adventure - latest details and construction progress

Disgruntled Walt

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I wonder what they will go with for the drop story wise? We are climbing a hill to see Mama Odie? Leaving the Bayou? They have to incorporate the drop somehow. Right? Right?

Still praying they add in Dr Facilier next Halloween and decide to keep him after positive guest feedback.
The problem with holiday overlays is they usually will only introduce them via screens these days, and more likely in Disneyland than in MK. The Jingle Cruise is the lone exception to this.

And if there are a lot of screens in TBA, then they will have truly failed and I will actually build a time machine to prevent it from happening.
 

celluloid

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I wonder what they will go with for the drop story wise? We are climbing a hill to see Mama Odie? Leaving the Bayou? They have to incorporate the drop somehow. Right? Right?

Still praying they add in Dr Facilier next Halloween and decide to keep him after positive guest feedback.

Probably like Frozen, or even less. Magic causes the acceleration in that and at least in Frozen I guess it was a way to have Marshmallow yell at us as we move down a physical drop.

I imagine this one is going to be swirling magic up to see Mama Odie. You can pretty much quote me on this, ear mark it or what ever you want to, it will be a situation where we go up to see Mama Odie and she sends us back with a spell.

I think the bottles in the concept art visibly hanging make it apparent.
 

Disgruntled Walt

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Probably like Frozen, or even less. Magic causes the acceleration in that and at least in Frozen I guess it was a way to have Marshmallow yell at us as we move down a physical drop.
Where did you get that explanation for the drop in Frozen? The official novelization? I always thought it made no sense.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

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The problem with holiday overlays is they usually will only introduce them via screens these days, and more likely in Disneyland than in MK. The Jingle Cruise is the lone exception to this.

And if there are a lot of screens in TBA, then they will have truly failed and I will actually build a time machine to prevent it from happening.
I’m hoping if we get screens they’ll be in the background like the ones used in Navi River and not front and center like the screens used on the just opened Zootopia ride.

Screens can be a good thing, but they usually aren’t.
 

celluloid

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Where did you get that explanation for the drop in Frozen? The official novelization? I always thought it made no sense.

I was being generous. Marshmallow yells 'Let it Goooooo" Ha. It really just recycled the AA and they took the cool and thrill factor of the reverse psyche out by patching it up which also removed one of the coolest little kinetic energy tastes in any theme park ride ever with the cavern no longer visible, but a ranodm set of leaking rocks.

I think the akward lift and the chanting song is going to be akin to what we get going up to see Mama Odie.
 

Ayla

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I tried to make a new thread about expectations for the ride versus its predecessor (with a poll of course!), just to try to get this thread to be more on topic about what's actually coming with construction updates and everything. But the new thread got shut down for some reason. So I guess this will continue to be the place to defend and complain about this new ride.
It got shut down for the same reason people in this thread are routinely scolded - people who can't keep their opinions to themselves about the change and act like they are somehow victims because of the change.
 

BasiltheBatLord

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What i'm saying is that even prior to the final lift, there was a constant looming threat of the fox wanting to kill and eat the main character throughout. He wasn't very good at it, so it was a sort of cartoony dynamic. But still, even in spite of all the bright and colorful happy characters singing and playing instruments along the way, that was an ever present possible threat. And the threat builds tension up over the course of the ride. After the second drop, the scenery becomes darker and we see the fox sneaking up behind the distracted rabbit with a trap. And the next scene, we see his trap succeeded and the tone shifts to being serious and outright scary as we ascend the lift. And in Disneyland's case, they have some differences such as the Burrow's Lament and all of the scared rabbit family members.

In Tiana's Bayou Adventure, from what I understand there is supposedly not going to be any tension or buildup to the drop, except for the natural fear some people have of such drops. Everything is all going to be sunshine and roses without a looming threat. Even the lift is supposedly going to be happy and bright. If this assessment ends up being correct (and i've seen nothing to indicate otherwise), the drop doesn't even serve any purpose to the progression of events. Such a plot would be better suited with a non-thrilling ride.
This is a big issue I have with modern day WDI. Everything is all bright and happy showtunes all the time. With barely any recognizable hints of danger or threat, which is I think what captivates a lot of children in the first place.

Tokyo's BatB ride is a good example of an attraction that, imo, was ruined by this.
 

celluloid

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This is a big issue I have with modern day WDI. Everything is all bright and happy showtunes all the time. With barely any recognizable hints of danger or threat, which is I think what captivates a lot of children in the first place.

Tokyo's BatB ride is a good example of an attraction that, imo, was ruined by this.

Makes perfect sense why Iger said it was boring. He may not know why, but if there is no conflict to match the dynamic, you have a very boring concept.

Who would have thought traveling through fields and some forced magic climax of a food co-op would not provide a captivating flow for a log flume of various sized drops and speeds?
 

UNCgolf

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I’m hoping if we get screens they’ll be in the background like the ones used in Navi River and not front and center like the screens used on the just opened Zootopia ride.

Screens can be a good thing, but they usually aren’t.

I just watched a video of the Zootopia ride.

My first thought was what an absolute disaster it would be if this (or anything at all similar to it) was at Animal Kingdom, so still very glad we dodged that bullet.

That aside, it was like half of a good attraction. It starts out well, and there are some good things scattered throughout, but way too much of the ride is just watching a movie play in front of you. The BatB ride has its own flaws, but I think it looks significantly better than Zootopia because you're not just watching a movie for half the ride.

I think ride designers (not just Disney) are relying on screens as a crutch way too often now. Part of the appeal of a theme park attraction is inhabiting a physical space -- that's part of what differentiates it from simply watching a film. It takes skill/imagination to design a ride that mainly relies on physical pieces; it's much easier (and much less interesting from a rider standpoint, at least for me) to just put all the action on a screen.
 
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mickEblu

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This is a big issue I have with modern day WDI. Everything is all bright and happy showtunes all the time. With barely any recognizable hints of danger or threat, which is I think what captivates a lot of children in the first place.

Tokyo's BatB ride is a good example of an attraction that, imo, was ruined by this.

Ever since they acquired Lucasfilm and Marvel it seems like they’re perfectly content containing all the danger/ threat/ conflict to those properties which is a shame as often times that means omitting physical representation of some of the best parts of a classic Disney film. With that said and to your point somehow something like Webslingers still got greenlit.
 

celluloid

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Ever since they acquired Lucasfilm and Marvel it seems like they’re perfectly content containing all the danger/ threat/ conflict to those properties which is a shame as often times that means omitting physical representation of some of the best parts of a classic Disney film. With that said and to your point somehow something like Webslingers still got greenlit.

My main concern with a villians land concept. If you save it for that, you really should have put it sprinkled in other attractions as their plot devices and antagonists themes.
 

Disgruntled Walt

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people who can't keep their opinions to themselves about the change and act like they are somehow victims because of the change
Hmmm, I kind of thought the reason for forums was to share opinions, not keep them to myself. Why should I keep my opinion to myself? For some reason, anyone who has a negative opinion about this attraction is supposed to "keep it to themselves." The only victimhood I feel is the fact I've lost an attraction I like.

Debate is healthy. I haven't been rude to anyone who likes this retheme. I haven't been disrespectful. All I've done is express my opinion. And my poll thread was because I like polls. You can check my last six threads that I've started...they're all polls. I like fostering discussion and gauging opinions. I didn't even intend for people to start commenting in the poll thread, but it seemed better than constantly derailing this thread with debates over the merits of it.

Show me what forum rule I have broken.
 

Ghost93

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The Princess and the Frog had just as many scary moments and thrills as the animated sequences of Song of the South.
The Princess and the Frog is incomparably more intense than Song of the South. Half the movie involves the protagonists being pursued by shadow demons. In comparison, the only thrilling moment of Song of the South was the live-action scene where Bobby Driscoll gets attacked by a bull.

Of course, Facillier isn't likely to be in the ride, but the idea that Princess and the Frog is an inherently more childish IP is ridiculous.
 

Ayla

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Hmmm, I kind of thought the reason for forums was to share opinions, not keep them to myself. Why should I keep my opinion to myself? For some reason, anyone who has a negative opinion about this attraction is supposed to "keep it to themselves." The only victimhood I feel is the fact I've lost an attraction I like.

Debate is healthy. I haven't been rude to anyone who likes this retheme. I haven't been disrespectful. All I've done is express my opinion. And my poll thread was because I like polls. You can check my last six threads that I've started...they're all polls. I like fostering discussion and gauging opinions. I didn't even intend for people to start commenting in the poll thread, but it seemed better than constantly derailing this thread with debates over the merits of it.

Show me what forum rule I have broken.
Take it up with the mod.
 

mickEblu

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The Princess and the Frog is incomparably more intense than Song of the South. Half the movie involves the protagonists being pursued by shadow demons. In comparison, the only thrilling moment of Song of the South was the live-action scene where Bobby Driscoll gets attacked by a bull.

Of course, Facillier isn't likely to be in the ride, but the idea that Princess and the Frog is an inherently more childish IP is ridiculous.

Who said the IP is more childish? Tiana is a modern IP with the target audience being little girls. Thats going to be the main group tuning into the new show on Disney +. Little girls that’ll have to get drenched and go down the largest drop at WDW to see Tiana. Which I’m sure is exactly the PatF attraction they would have came up with if this was purpose built. 🙄

What point are you even making? The fact that PatF has more “intense” elements is obviously acknowledged as all of us complaining wish they were including more of the darker elements from the movie on the attraction. Like the shadow demons you mentioned but they aren’t so we re just left with a flowery grass heap that has a “happy” 50 foot drop with a giant Princess crown on a water tower.
 
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MerlinTheGoat

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The Princess and the Frog is incomparably more intense than Song of the South. Half the movie involves the protagonists being pursued by shadow demons. In comparison, the only thrilling moment of Song of the South was the live-action scene where Bobby Driscoll gets attacked by a bull.

Of course, Facillier isn't likely to be in the ride, but the idea that Princess and the Frog is an inherently more childish IP is ridiculous.
You and LittleBuford are engaging in a strawman fallacy, arguing against something that was never said. And you've ignored the clarification as well.

The point was not that the PATF IP inherently lacks thrills and intensity. It has plenty. And had they actually drawn from those elements (which they should have), the ride could (and should) have been just as intense if not moreso than Splash. The problem is that they aren't doing that. As far as i'm aware, the plot contains no intense elements, the drops themselves are just "there" in the middle of this syrupy sweet happy musical adventure without any justification or buildup.

This concept makes far more sense for a calm ride with no drops. Like Small World, Navi River or El Rio. I also believe that had this ride been built from scratch without replacing an existing attraction (even keeping most of the the story concepts intact), it would not have included any drops. The drops exist only because it's reusing an existing track layout that already has them. Trying to force a square peg through a round hole.

Again, Tony Baxter brought this point up in that recent interview and threw some no-so-subtle jabs at Tiana in the process. He explained how he and his team designed the ride with intensity and buildup throughout to build up to and justify the big drop.
 
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celluloid

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The cheerleaders of this project, are slowly, but surely unfortunately realizing the concerned were pretty spot on.
Some new clean scenery, a few impressive AAs...and none of it is going to feel connected to the fact that it is a log flume that goes by them. Why am I hearing don't expect more than 17 animatronic figures now?
 

MerlinTheGoat

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Why am I hearing don't expect more than 17 animatronic figures now?
Because you apparently chose to believe a disreputable blogger who misread a piece of really old existing information that Disney released and made a clickbait youtube video about it. The claim that there are only 17 AA's isn't true. I don't know the exact number, but there are a LOT more than that. Multiple times more.

To repeat myself and once again attempt to correct this misinformation- The number "17" was not referring to the total amount of AA's that are present in the ride. It was from a press report released by Disneymany many months ago stating that they had created 17 new original major characters for this ride's story. We've seen some of these in promo art already, the instrument playing critters. They will be animatronics, and they will also have duplicate figures apread throughout the ride multiple times. In addition, there are around 10 separate returning characters from the film that will receive AA's as well. Several of which (Tiana, Naveen and Louis) will also be appearing multiple times throughout the ride. It appears there will also be other "ordinary" animal AA's scattered throughout as well (ones that don't play instruments and aren't central characters). Again, I don't know the exact total number of AA's in the ride (or how that quantity will compare with Splash), but it's going to have a lot. Far more than anything they've built for multiple decades now.

As others here have also pointed out, there's also good reason not to believe the claims about Bob Iger visiting the ride and calling it boring as well.

The cheerleaders of this project, are slowly, but surely unfortunately realizing the concerned were pretty spot on.
I don't know who you're talking about. If it's me, that doesn't describe my position at all. But otherwise the same people who hated this project from the start still hate it. And the same people who like it still like it. If anything, there's a growing amount of optimism from the more neutral crowd ever since they released those images of the interior the other day.
 
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celluloid

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Why am I hearing don't expect more than 17 animatronics?

Because you apparently chose to believe a disreputable blogger who misread a piece of really old existing information that Disney released and made a clickbait youtube video about it. The claim that there are only 17 AA's isn't true. I don't know the exact number, but there are a LOT more than that. Multiple times more.

I said I heard it, not believed it. There is a lot of crap on here all around, calm your jets dude.

You really don't need to presume it is all about you.

I don't know what you mean by the neutral are getting more excited about this project, other than there is something visible given which is always better than wondering, there is literally a recent poll here that shows the opposite. The more people are realizing, we are really just getting a ride through food co-op with magic tossed in for the finale, the more disappointed people are becoming.
 
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SuddenStorm

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This is a big issue I have with modern day WDI. Everything is all bright and happy showtunes all the time. With barely any recognizable hints of danger or threat, which is I think what captivates a lot of children in the first place.

Tokyo's BatB ride is a good example of an attraction that, imo, was ruined by this.

Modern WDI literally removed the tension from Disneyland's Snow White ride.
 

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